'15 CA QB Blake Barnett (Arizona State Transfer)

[irishog77]

If they want to see successful transition of a QB from Oregon into the NFL, they have no choice but to go back that far. The Ducks offense has a poor track record of preparing QBs for the league.

I'll ask again, what is Brian Kelly's track record of preparing QB's for the league?

 

[GoIrish41]

Since he's interested so much in the sports broadcasting major, what is the closest ND equivalent?

And how does that program compare? Because ND will be using that to persuade him back.

He can go the same route as all of the ND players who have had success in broadcasting -- do work on the field and in the classroom at ND, develop as a football player and earn a spot on an NFL roster. Make a boat load of money as a pro, THEN get a gig in broadcasting based on the name you made for yourself. How many of the guys on the NFL shows and throughout college football sets have broadcasting degrees? Oregon filled this kid's head with garbage.

 

[kmoose]

Those QB's were what, 2 head coaches ago? I don't know Barnett, nor his family, but I'm betting they put ~ 0 interest or weight into what happened to Oregon QB's, professionally no less, something like 13 and 17 years and 2 head coaches ago.

I was merely making a comment on the reputation of Oregon QBs in the NFL. I see your point about an offer being attractive to a High School kid, because the current system is having success placing QBs high in the draft.

 

[Rack Em]

Since he's interested so much in the sports broadcasting major, what is the closest ND equivalent?

And how does that program compare? Because ND will be using that to persuade him back.

I did a quick scan, and it sounds like they offer nothing even close:

Undergraduate Majors // Academics // University of Notre Dame

Film television and theatre. Nix graduated with that degree.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Film television and theatre. Nix graduated with that degree.

Yup. Here's a list of ND alumni who went on to become famous journalists or media personalities.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Film television and theatre. Nix graduated with that degree.

I would pay to watch Irish Chocolate on Broadway.

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[Wild Bill]

I'll ask again, what is Brian Kelly's track record of preparing QB's for the league?

I see your point, OG, but is there an active coach that can point to his "track record"? Maybe a coach is escaping me at the moment, but I can't think of a coach that's created a pipeline to the league. USC is the only team I can think of that's done it but their current coach didn't play a role. If you're a blue chip recruit and your decision rests solely on which head coach will groom you to be an NFL QB, where do you go?

 

[kmoose]

I'll ask again, what is Brian Kelly's track record of preparing QB's for the league?

What is Mark Helfrich's?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Fuck Oregon. I went there for the Purdue game back in 2009. All I can say is the cheerleaders are far from an accurate depiction of the women there. The general populace with tits is brutal as hell to look at, on par with any Rust Belt shithole here.....

 

[kmoose]

I see your point, OG, but is there an active coach that can point to his "track record"? Maybe a coach is escaping me at the moment, but I can't think of a coach that's created a pipeline to the league. USC is the only team I can think of that's done it but there current coach didn't play a role. If you're a blue chip recruit and your decision rests solely on which head coach will groom you to be an NFL QB, where do you go?

Hate to say it, but; Urban Meyer

 

[Wild Bill]

Hate to say it, but; Urban Meyer

NFL talent?

 

[kmoose]

NFL talent?

I think the point that og was trying to make, was not their success in the NFL, but their placement in the NFL. If you have a kid that you are making a pitch to, you tell him that you have put (x) number of QBs into the NFL, and of them were first rounders. The kid immediately sees dollar signs, and says, "I want to play for this guy. Even if I don't make it in the NFL, I will still get paid like an NFLer."

And Meyer has had

Alex Smith
Tim Tebow
Braxton Miller (who seems destined to be a first round pick, despite his obvious limitations)

And he had all three of these guys, at different schools.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Here's a breakdown of starting NFL QBs by school (*=guy in positional battle)

Michigan
Texas A&M
West Virginia
Florida State
Miami (OH)
Delaware
TCU
Ohio St*
Stanford
UCF*
Washington*
Harvard*
Tennessee
VT
NC State
Utah
Eastern Illinois
Ole Miss
Arizona
Baylor
Vanderbilt
Cal
Louisville*
Georgia
USC
Oklahoma
Wisconsin (or NC State, whatever you prefer)
Nevada
Purdue
NC State
Auburn
BC

Basically there is a shit-ton of parity at the QB position looking at schools attended. NC State is the only only listed more than once (2-3, depending on Wilson's classification), and only 2 other schools may have more than one (A&M if Manziel starts, FSU if Ponder does)

IN SUMMARY, IM GOING TO NC STATE IF IM A QB WANTING TO PLAY IN THE NFL!!!!!!!!!

 

[irishfan]

Jimbo Fisher. Ponder, Manuel, now Winston. Russell at LSU. Not his fault if his guys struggle in the NFL, he gets them there.

 

[irishog77]

I think the point that og was trying to make, was not their success in the NFL, but their placement in the NFL. If you have a kid that you are making a pitch to, you tell him that you have put (x) number of QBs into the NFL, and of them were first rounders. The kid immediately sees dollar signs, and says, "I want to play for this guy. Even if I don't make it in the NFL, I will still get paid like an NFLer."

And Meyer has had

Alex Smith
Tim Tebow
Braxton Miller (who seems destined to be a first round pick, despite his obvious limitations)

And he had all three of these guys, at different schools.

Yes, that was a big point I was making, kmoose. And that Helfrich has a guy projected to be the 1st QB taken in the draft next year....plus all the yardage and efficiency stuff Mariota has been at or near the top of in the ncaa in his 2 years playing. Kelly can't claim that.

And it's not that I'm some Oregon apologist or anything, but the people on here that can't believe BB would consider Oregon need to think a little harder.

For about the last 20 years, Oregon's offense and their QB's have been better than ND's. There is really no debating that.

 

[GoIrish41]

Since the 1970 merger (between the AFL and NFL), quarterbacks from Purdue have started 724 NFL games, easily the most of any major-conference program.' After Purdue QBs' 724 NFL games, the next best schools were the University of Washington (623 starts), Miami (573), University of Southern California (547) and Notre Dame (543).

 

[GBdomer]

Pete doesn't think he flips. I value his opinion more then any other mod because he knows TJ and I know TJ talks with BK and staff. He has too only way he knows half this shit

The 247 is interesting because someone has to know something. It's easy to Oregon to sell Marcus Mariota then it is to sell Tommy Rees and Everett Golson. I thought that was a great point.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Kelly's offense was rated 4th nationally in 2009 and 9th in 2012 (significantly better and slightly worse, respectively, than Oregon's in both of those years). Not coincidentally, those are the two most recent years in which Kelly had a QB capable of running his system. So I don't think it would be very hard to present a credible case that ND can showcase Barnett's talent as well as Oregon.

As others have pointed out, there isn't a single coach or program that has reliably turned out successful NFL QBs. Hell, there's no coach or program who can even claim to reliably turn top QB recruits into elite college QBs.

There have been 28 Composite 5 QBs over the last decade: 8 lived up to the hype, 5 had solid but underwhelming careers, 9 were busts, and the remaining 6 are still undetermined.

 

[kmoose]

Yes, that was a big point I was making, kmoose. And that Helfrich has a guy projected to be the 1st QB taken in the draft next year....plus all the yardage and efficiency stuff Mariota has been at or near the top of in the ncaa in his 2 years playing. Kelly can't claim that.

And it's not that I'm some Oregon apologist or anything, but the people on here that can't believe BB would consider Oregon need to think a little harder.

For about the last 20 years, Oregon's offense and their QB's have been better than ND's. There is really no debating that.

I could probably debate Tommy Rees > Justin Fife, but that would be about it.

 

[GBdomer]

Kelly's offense was rated 4th nationally in 2009 and 9th in 2012 (significantly better and slightly worse than Oregon's in both of those years). Not coincidentally, those are the two most recent years in which Kelly had a QB capable of running his system. So I don't think it would be very hard to present a credible case that ND can showcase Barnett's talent as well as Oregon.

As others have pointed out, there isn't a single coach or program that has reliably turned out successful NFL QBs. Hell, there's no coach or program who can even claim to reliably turn top QB recruits into elite college QBs.

There have been 28 Composite 5 QBs over the last decade: 8 lived up to the hype, 5 had solid but underwhelming careers, 9 were busts, and the remaining 6 are still undetermined.

Great point but I think football is all about what have you done for me lately. And in 5 years BK and the QB situation just hasn't been worth a damn. Look at Dennis Dixon, Daron Thomas, Marcus Mariota. I'm just saying everyone RIGHT NOW knows Oregon offense is 10x more sexy and appealing then ND offense.

Not saying you whiskey but I don't want to hear this bullshit how you can't win a championship with a spread offense. I just wish BK would go back to his cinnci days. No reason we can't play damn good D and hurry up offense. D I think will struggle anyways so let's play fast

 

[IrishGlory]

I don't expect him to decommit and remain uncommitted. I would expect him to commit to Oregon.

Either way, he sounded like he was shutting it down when he committed to us, so I don't believe we will ever be truly out of it.

This says it all. How many times have we heard this over the years folks? While I think most kids are sincerely solid when they commit (here or elsewhere), its hard to trust anything that is said after a decommitment, unless there is a legit reason (coaching change, etc). Why am I thinking Ronald Darby as I type this?? Months of being a "solid" commit and recruiting for ND. We all know how that turned out. It is what it is folks.

 

[arrowryan]

I don't know if it's already been posted, but Greg Biggins doesn't expect this to drag out. Blake should make a decision sooner rather than later because Oregon can't let this drag out too long and miss out on other quarterbacks.

 

[irishog77]

Kelly's offense was rated 4th nationally in 2009 and 9th in 2012 (significantly better and slightly worse, respectively, than Oregon's in both of those years). Not coincidentally, those are the two most recent years in which Kelly had a QB capable of running his system. So I don't think it would be very hard to present a credible case that ND can showcase Barnett's talent as well as Oregon.

As others have pointed out, there isn't a single coach or program that has reliably turned out successful NFL QBs. Hell, there's no coach or program who can even claim to reliably turn top QB recruits into elite college QBs.

There have been 28 Composite 5 QBs over the last decade: 8 lived up to the hype, 5 had solid but underwhelming careers, 9 were busts, and the remaining 6 are still undetermined.

I disagree with this. I think it might be somewhat difficult to present this case to Blake. As I said in another post, I understand some of this and I know you and some other fans do as well, but making that case to a 17 year old that can almost literally play anywhere he wants to in the entire country, is a different matter.

Oregon can just show him simple stats and yards gained and show that their entire offense and QB specifically are and have been among the best in the entire country. BK can show him, with a bunch of +'s, -'s, and asterisk's, that his offense CAN be good.

 

[TheChosen1]

I remember when I was a 17 year old kid and grown men had an opinion on every move I make. Oh wait.

 

[SaltyND24]

They do have some fine cheerleaders/hookers at Oregon. They probably put a few a pairs of deluxe titties in his face and he fell in the panel(like we like to say around here). It's just like the first time you go to the strippers haha. Just imagine ACamp going to a visit and 10 beautiful asian women are in his face the whole week-end. The man would commit on the spot haha.

Definitely reminded me of the massage parlor scene from rush hour two...

 

[irishog77]

Definitely reminded me of the massage parlor scene from rush hour two...

I still haven't seen Rush Hour 1...so you ruined it for me.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

I disagree with this. I think it might be somewhat difficult to present this case to Blake. As I said in another post, I understand some of this and I know you and some other fans do as well, but making that case to a 17 year old that can almost literally play anywhere he wants to in the entire country, is a different matter.

Oregon can just show him simple stats and yards gained and show that their entire offense and QB specifically are and have been among the best in the entire country. BK can show him, with a bunch of +'s, -'s, and asterisk's, that his offense CAN be good.

You don't have to rely on advanced metrics to make the case. We've made a title game appearance more recently than Oregon. Our offense was nearly as good as Oregon's during that season, but it didn't look as sexy. Why? Because we played one of the toughest schedules in the nation, instead of hanging 50+ points on Arkansas State, Tennessee Tech, and bunch of shitty Pac-12 teams.

So do you want to play on national television every week, Blake? Against marquee opponents? Or would you rather blow out the Little Sisters of the Poor in Eugene?

 

[Ndaccountant]

This whole "which coaches have put QB's in the league" argument is really BS to me. First of all, a large majority of coaches aren't around a school long enough to establish a long enough track record. Secondly, up until the past 4 or 5 years, the notion of using the spread in the NFL was laughable. As that has changed, so too has the dynamic of which type of coach and school is "putting QB's in the league". Finally, luck has so much to do with this. Ponder is looked at as a "bust", but is it fair that the Vikings were asinine enough to draft him where they did?

 

[gkIrish]

You don't have to rely on advanced metrics to make the case. We've made a title game appearance more recently than Oregon. Our offense was nearly as good as Oregon's during that season, but it didn't look as sexy. Why? Because we played one of the toughest schedules in the nation, instead of hanging 50+ points on Arkansas State, Tennessee Tech, and bunch of shitty Pac-12 teams.

So do you want to play on national television every week, Blake? Against marquee opponents? Or would you rather blow out the Little Sisters of the Poor in Eugene?

Oregon actually does play on national tv a lot solely because of their West Coast time slot. ESPN puts them on at 10 all the time.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Oregon actually does play on national tv a lot solely because of their West Coast time slot. ESPN puts them on at 10 all the time.

True. But Oregon is still a step down in exposure from ND.