'14 NY DT Thomas Holley (Florida Verbal)

[Luckylucci]

Good point I'm typing fast while at work. It should read Elam 20% as UK 40% and Bama 40%. Then both 15%.

 

[NDFAN22]

So is it valid on here to say "we"?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Thats a tough question. Probably 20% we get both. Holley 50% and Elam 15%. I think we lead for Holley and are 3rd for Elam.

Ah, the Keith Niebuhr school of statistical projection; 50 % x 15% = 7.5%.

And I think our chances of landing Elam are better than that.

Then to take this even further, I think that Trumbetti can play CAT. If we miss on our top CAT prospects it wouldn't surprise me. Lets say there is a DE/DT that we like, we take him and put Trumbetti at CAT

Agreed. Lots of flexibility.

 

[NDFAN22]

Whiskey what would you say the %s are? for both and each individual.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whiskey what would you say the %s are? for both and each individual.

I'm not nearly as plugged into recruiting as some others here, but I'm more optimistic about Elam than most. I'd say 75% on Holley, and 40% on Elam (assuming we get his mom on campus). That'd be a 30% chance to land both, and only a 15% chance we land neither.

 

[GoIrish41]

There is a 95% chance that it is time to roll up our pant legs. It's getting deep in here.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

There is a 95% chance that it is time to roll up our pant legs. It's getting deep in here.

Thanks for adding something substantive to the discussion.

 

[dad4aa]

Would anyone mind taking a little time to explain the 247 composite rating? I don't mean to hijack this thread and hope this question doesn't bring on a lot of replies based off this request. I was just looking at his ratings and was curious how it is calculated. I know it is some kind of formula utilizing the different ratings. I just don't know how four different ratings of #4, #8, #9 and #13 calculates to a composite #3. If this has been explained somewhere, my apologies. Thanks.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Would anyone mind taking a little time to explain the 247 composite rating? I don't mean to hijack this thread and hope this question doesn't bring on a lot of replies based off this request. I was just looking at his ratings and was curious how it is calculated. I know it is some kind of formula utilizing the different ratings. I just don't know how four different ratings of #4, #8, #9 and #13 calculates to a composite #3. If this has been explained somewhere, my apologies. Thanks.

From 247's press release on its Composite Ranking:

The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services.

The 247Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and will be included on the networks player profiles, team commit page, 247Composite ranking and will also be the exclusive data used to generate the 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings.

Other details include:

-- All major media services share an equal percentage in the 247Composite Rating.

-- The composite index equally weights this percentage among the services that participate in a ranking for that specific prospect.

-- A composite strength meter, indicated by red bars, illustrates the total number of industry services that have ranked the prospect. A full strength meter indicates the prospect has been ranked by all industry services participating in the composite.

-- All industry services have a different philosophy on number of "stars" distributed with each class. The 247Composite Rating assigns stars based on an approximate average distribution of stars from the industry.

-- 247Sports has invested significant resources in building out the best national scouting and rankings team. This will continue to be a high priority for our company and the 247Composite is only meant to strengthen our position as the rankings source and gives college and recruiting fans another resource to evaluate prospects and compare against our rankings/ratings and other rankings/ratings in the industry.

-- We will continue to have 247Sports rankings/ratings for all prospects, but will only use the 247Composite rankings/ratings for the Team Recruiting Ranking. We feel that this gives us the best opportunity to provide the industry with the most comprehensive and unbiased product and will be our best chance of being sourced by the media and becoming the defacto index for the Team Recruiting Championship.

To use Holley as an example, here are his ratings from the four major services:

247: 4, 96 Rating, 73rd nationally, 10th DT, 1st NY
Rivals: 4, 5.9 Rating, 84th nationally, 4th DT, 1st NY
ESPN: 4, 84 Rating, 84th nationally, 8th DT, 1st NY
Scout: 4, 13th DT

247 takes those services ratings, converts them into its own 100 point format, and averages them.

Thus, Holley's Composite Rating is 4, 0.9629 rating, 68th nationally, 4th DT, 1st NY.

 

[clashmore_mike]

to add to what Whiskey posted, I would assume they just convert all the services rankings to the same scoring system then average the resulting rankings out. Rivals uses a 6.1 point scale where as 247 uses a 100 point scale. So if someone is a 5.7 on rivals, it gets converted to a .934426 for the composite and a 94 on 247 is a .94 composite. Average those ratings and you get a .937213 composite. Those ratings would determine which "number" a recruit is at whatever position.

 

[dad4aa]

Whiskey and Clash....thanks for the explanations. Makes much more sense now.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

#1 DT today according to 247.


Daddy like.

Oh and as an added bonus he dropped the 40 year decision line when talking to the UF reporter.

 

[BeauBenken]

#1 DT today according to 247.


Daddy like.

Oh and as an added bonus he dropped the 40 year decision line when talking to the UF reporter.

Yeah buddy.

 

[Irishnuke]

#1 DT today according to 247.


Daddy like.

Oh and as an added bonus he dropped the 40 year decision line when talking to the UF reporter.

UF's 40 year decision leads to 40 to life.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Ask Aaron.

 

[arrowryan]

Does he plan on deciding before his senior season?

 

[Domina Nostra]

Urban used the "40 ear" line at Florida a lot. I bet they are still using it.

I know that we are supposed to be fine with salesmen saying anything, but I thought it was pretty pathetic. UF is a fine school, but--as has become totally indisputable--the program was win-at-all-costs. More to the point, is chosing Florida over, say, UGA or Alabama, really a "40-year decision." No.

 

[irishff1014]

UF's 40 year decision leads to 40 to life.

HAHAHA

 

[STLDomer]

He didn't make the 40 year decision reference in talking about UF, it was his college decision in general

 

[Old Man Mike]

Assuming that we don't get a true Big-Lou-imitator NT in this cycle, then Holley plus Hayes will be VERY nice additions to the defensive monster that we will continue to be. Because of that, I'm hoping for Holley as much as anyone at this point.

 

[Irishnuke]

He didn't make the 40 year decision reference in talking about UF, it was his college decision in general

Yes, we're aware. Just making the joke since he was talking to a UF reporter.

 

[Domina Nostra]

UF's 40 year decision leads to 40 to life.

LOL! ND is a 40 year decision, UF is a 40 to life decision.

 

[NDWorld247]

Assuming that we don't get a true Big-Lou-imitator NT in this cycle, then Holley plus Hayes will be VERY nice additions to the defensive monster that we will continue to be. Because of that, I'm hoping for Holley as much as anyone at this point.

I think I'd prefer Holley to some of the true NT we have been recruiting (Frazier, Clark, Elam) because a.) He adds a lot of versatility (NT, DT, DE) and b.) He seems to be more ready, from a physical standpoint, to come right in and contribute in 2014. Those other guys are all carrying bad weight that will take a season to get rid of, ala big Lou. Plus, his upside seems to be as good, if not greater, than the NTs mentioned above.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

LOL! ND is a 40 year decision, UF is a 40 to life decision.

So what you're saying is that the UF decision is potentially a longer term decision?

 

[Luckylucci]

Thomas Holley interview: Defensive tackle talks The Opening, recruiting - YouTube

Holley interview from the opening. Like many have stated already this kid really seems to get it. Its hard for me to imagine he ends up anywhere other than ND. He seems extremely genuine, doesn't belong at a football factory.

 

[NDWorld247]

Thomas Holley interview: Defensive tackle talks The Opening, recruiting - YouTube

Holley interview from the opening. Like many have stated already this kid really seems to get it. Its hard for me to imagine he ends up anywhere other than ND. He seems extremely genuine, doesn't belong at a football factory.

What I liked about that interview is Holley plans to sit down with his parents and his HC to discuss everything when he gets back from The Opening. His HC, Shawn O'Connor, was the one that reached out to ND to tell them about Holley and provided all the necessary info to land him an offer. I am sure he did that with other schools, but it's also not a stretch to say we have a fan in the decision making circle.

 

[ulukinatme]

I think I'd prefer Holley to some of the true NT we have been recruiting (Frazier, Clark, Elam) because a.) He adds a lot of versatility (NT, DT, DE) and b.) He seems to be more ready, from a physical standpoint, to come right in and contribute in 2014. Those other guys are all carrying bad weight that will take a season to get rid of, ala big Lou. Plus, his upside seems to be as good, if not greater, than the NTs mentioned above.

I agree. I think Elam could grow (Or shrink?) into a role where he would eat up double teams in the middle like Lou, but Holley would have a chance to make an impact early and get some playing time I think by working into rotations.

 

[ryno 24]

I love Holly and think he would be a great addition, though I think he would be a better 3-4 DE. I still think it would be nice to land a true NT. Elam could do that, but I dont know who that would be.

 

[connect the dots]

I love Holly and think he would be a great addition, though I think he would be a better 3-4 DE. I still think it would be nice to land a true NT. Elam could do that, but I dont know who that would be.

Perhaps without a Louis Nix, Notre Dame should consider getting out of the 3-4 and back into a 4-3. Certainly, it would help in recruitment this year. It wasn't very difficult to place the seed of uncertainty into Eddie's head. And, Vanderdoes eloquently(without words) told this coaching staff that it ain't me, babe, I'm not the one you're looking for. There is no one on the present roster, or in the next class, that can replace Nix. Alabama emphatically demonstrated to the Notre Dame coaching staff that they don't know their arse from a hole in the ground!

 

[Irishman77]

Perhaps without a Louis Nix, Notre Dame should consider getting out of the 3-4 and back into a 4-3. Certainly, it would help in recruitment this year. It wasn't very difficult to place the seed of uncertainty into Eddie's head. And, Vanderdoes eloquently(without words) told this coaching staff that it ain't me, babe, I'm not the one you're looking for. There is no one on the present roster, or in the next class, that can replace Nix. Alabama emphatically demonstrated to the Notre Dame coaching staff that they don't know their arse from a hole in the ground!

Puff puff give dude.