CONFIRMED: Golson No Longer Enrolled At ND

[phork]

Even if EG comes back, Kelly will have moved in a different direction I think. I believe Tommy will start this fall, and Zaire will take over after that. Once trust is lost, its gone. And you cannot wait in CFB.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Even if EG comes back, Kelly will have moved in a different direction I think. I believe Tommy will start this fall, and Zaire will take over after that. Once trust is lost, its gone. And you cannot wait in CFB.

Agree. The second year as a starter is the make or break year for a QB in most instances, and losing it will put EG in a pretty big hole moving forward, if he does come back.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Even if EG comes back, Kelly will have moved in a different direction I think. I believe Tommy will start this fall, and Zaire will take over after that. Once trust is lost, its gone. And you cannot wait in CFB.

The best quarterback will play. Regardless

 

[kmoose]

Is Golson allowed to re-enroll in the fall of 2013 before getting his football eligibility back in spring 2014? I would think it would be helpful to let him focus on passing the classes he's been having trouble with while he's away from football and has the time to get the academics in order. What is accounting II at Notre Dame? Is it cost accounting or some more advanced level of the intro financial accounting course? At Wharton our second required accounting course was cost accounting, so I'm just wondering if the curriculum is similar.

No. Golson (per himself) is suspended from the University for the Fall Term.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Hahaha. So angry. I'm not agreeing with anyone, just pointing out the irony of a post.

I'll try to stay out of your way, but if I do manage to irk you somehow, its comforting to know you won't put me on blast for 3 paragraphs because I'm "not worth it."

Definitely not worth it, definitely not mad. Like at all. May seem like it, but I'm not even close to mad. All in fun. Bogs irritates the hell outta me, and thus the long-winded rants when he tries to rip me. And irishpat is, well, irishpat. Other than them and a former mod who hates me, it's all good.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Definitely not worth it, definitely not mad. Like at all. May seem like it, but I'm not even close to mad. All in fun. Bogs irritates the hell outta me, and thus the long-winded rants when he tries to rip me. And irishpat is, well, irishpat. Other than them and a former mod who hates me, it's all good.

Glad its settled.

Now we can go back to focusing all our negative energy on how BK is ruining the football program....(italics)

 

[dshans]

Take your own advice, and stop being so reactionary to every little thing you disagree with by countering with a long winded rant slamming another poster. Its getting old.

GETTING old??? It's been moldy for quite some time. At least the weight of a possible petulant ban hammer reaction has been lifted.

Not long ago I would have been the first to buy the boy a beer as a gesture of peace and understanding. Now my wallet will remain, secured, in an undisclosed pocket should we meet.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He is fine to play in 2013..

So there's an issue with Daniels, but his consequences won't entail losing playing time this season?

 

[pkt77242]

So there's an issue with Daniels, but his consequences won't entail losing playing time this season?

That was my take as well.



I almost wonder if Golson cheated off Daniels, so Golson got the worse punishment but Daniels was getting a light punishment for allowing him to cheat. Ok. maybe I shouldn't think outloud.

 

[GATTACA!]

Hey pkt idk what your plan is for your banner now that all this went down. But i would like to start a petition to prevent you from changing panels 1 and 3.

 

[AvesEvo]

And I thought this would finally be the year that ND wouldn't have a QB controversy!

 

[phgreek]

Even if EG comes back, Kelly will have moved in a different direction I think. I believe Tommy will start this fall, and Zaire will take over after that. Once trust is lost, its gone. And you cannot wait in CFB.

I agree...folks who need to mourn EG, probably need to do so now. As for QB...I wish I could believe MZ will be ready, and if he isn't ready by Michigan...with each passing week the value of pressing him into action falls off considerably in my view.

I see this as the TR/AH show...but I'd be happy if the coaches trotted MZ out against Temple as he would have proven he can do the job...and we've all seen what wheels and an arm do for our offense.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

So what does evryone think of the QB strategery for 2013? Is it Tommy Time again or is Zaire going to step up and take the reins? Part of me sees Zaire as being ahead of where EG was as a freshman and might be able to make that leap, but he has a ton of work to do before Aug 31 of course.

On a related note I wonder how all this makes The Machine Gunner feel. Timing is everything!

I think if Kelly is open to the idea of Golson coming back in the spring and will allow him to compete for the starting job, then Tommy gets the nod. You don't need to groom another QB for 2014 if there is a real chance Golson will be back and Kelly will give him another chance (he did with Floyd so why not Golson?) and Tommy knows the offense better than anyone on the team, probably better than Golson even. Or you go with Hendrix and know that he would likely come back for his 5th year and be either the starter or the #2 in 2014. I don't think Malik gets involved in this equation if Kelly feels he doesn't need to groom him just yet. But if Kelly is done with Golson and will pretty much give him the same fate as Cierre last season, then I wouldn't mind seeing either Andrew or Malik. Both have more than 1 year of eligibility remaining and to me it would be pointless to start Tommy and then have to start all over again in 2014. How many schools have a new starting QB 5 straight seasons? Maybe 4 if you want to count 2010 and 2011 as the same starter since Dayne started both seasons and Tommy finished both seasons.

 

[stlnd01]

But if Kelly is done with Golson and will pretty much give him the same fate as Cierre last season, then I wouldn't mind seeing either Andrew or Malik.

Huh? Cierre Wood ran for 750 yards last year and helped us get to the national championship game. If that's Golson's fate, he'll wind up OK.
Regardless, I suspect that by fall Kelly will have a pretty good handle on if Golson's really coming back. Much depends on what moves he makes between now and then.
Either way, Rees is gone after next year and I don't think anyone really sees Hendrix as a long-term answer. I'd think Rees is the starter with Zaire (who by all accounts is ahead of the curve) in the wings. I certainly wouldn't assume he'll redshirt at this point, and hopefully he'll be able to contribute. We need the best guys on the field.
Where it could get sticky is if Zaire establishes himself in the second half of the season and then Golson comes back. Two very comparable QBs with multiple years of eligibility remaining. Good for consistency of the system. Bad for avoiding transfers.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Decided to give pat a brief timeout. Obviously, he's not making much sense and I think we can all do with a bit less frothing at the mouth.

This will be the best the site has ever been. Almost makes this whole thing worth it.

 

[IrishCat]

It's official now...

Notre Dame has replaced the Dallas Cowboys as the soap opera/controversy team in sports.

So, it's appropriate that the Irish are playing in Cowboys Stadium this season.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

GETTING old??? It's been moldy for quite some time. At least the weight of a possible petulant ban hammer reaction has been lifted.

Not long ago I would have been the first to buy the boy a beer as a gesture of peace and understanding. Now my wallet will remain, secured, in an undisclosed pocket should we meet.

Moldy? Doesn't that always make for the best cheese? Let's all get together for a cheese and whine party!

Hide your wallet! I can't blame you, LOL!

I have been looking at a little tape someone brought to my attention. With the change in RB, the left sided strength of this O-line, and the hands out of the backfield, Hendrix may be a better fit with this offense than we may think.

 

[wizards8507]

Is Golson allowed to re-enroll in the fall of 2013 before getting his football eligibility back in spring 2014? I would think it would be helpful to let him focus on passing the classes he's been having trouble with while he's away from football and has the time to get the academics in order. What is accounting II at Notre Dame? Is it cost accounting or some more advanced level of the intro financial accounting course? At Wharton our second required accounting course was cost accounting, so I'm just wondering if the curriculum is similar.

The ND accounting major is:

Sophomore Year:
ACCT 1 - Principles of Financial
ACCT 2 - Principles of Managerial (Cost)

Junior Year:
Measurement and Disclosure I
Measurement and Disclosure II
Cost
Decision Processes in Accounting (IT)

Senior Year:
Audit
Tax

The furthest you go as a non-accounting business major is Principles of Managerial.

 

[Patulski]

Qb's typically get too much recognition in wins and too much condemnation in losses. They are an easy target, as is the Head Coach, in what is essentially a team game. We have loads of talent across the board and can win every game this year.

It should be a fun year watching the team.

I've got my fingers crossed on message boards though. There are people who will want to take the direction of the dialogue back to Dayne Crist in a sequence of of negativity towards Kelly, QB's and the football program. After going 12-1 Kelly, the staff and the team deserve better from its fanbase.

 

[STLcardz-NDirish]

Qb's typically get too much recognition in wins and too much condemnation in losses. They are an easy target, as is the Head Coach, in what is essentially a team game. We have loads of talent across the board and can win every game this year.

It should be a fun year watching the team.

I've got my fingers crossed on message boards though. There are people who will want to take the direction of the dialogue back to Dayne Crist in a sequence of of negativity towards Kelly, QB's and the football program. After going 12-1 Kelly, the staff and the team deserve better from its fanbase.

Agreed, people really do need to take a step back and chill. Yes this This whole situation sucks but it really is not as bad as everyone and the media is making it out to be. We have a great coach and a great defense. Kelly will make it work like he did last year. I'm pretty sure we can score 2 TD's and maybe a FG a game, and quite frankly thats all we need to go 10-2 (maybe even 12-0 for that matter).

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I think if Kelly is open to the idea of Golson coming back in the spring and will allow him to compete for the starting job, then Tommy gets the nod. You don't need to groom another QB for 2014 if there is a real chance Golson will be back and Kelly will give him another chance (he did with Floyd so why not Golson?) and Tommy knows the offense better than anyone on the team, probably better than Golson even. Or you go with Hendrix and know that he would likely come back for his 5th year and be either the starter or the #2 in 2014. I don't think Malik gets involved in this equation if Kelly feels he doesn't need to groom him just yet. But if Kelly is done with Golson and will pretty much give him the same fate as Cierre last season, then I wouldn't mind seeing either Andrew or Malik. Both have more than 1 year of eligibility remaining and to me it would be pointless to start Tommy and then have to start all over again in 2014. How many schools have a new starting QB 5 straight seasons? Maybe 4 if you want to count 2010 and 2011 as the same starter since Dayne started both seasons and Tommy finished both seasons.

Pretty good point. We will see through this if Kelly only looks at one year at a time or not.

When asked Sunday morning what steps Golson might have to take to be reinstated at Notre Dame in the future, Notre Dame Senior Associate Athletics Director John Heisler's reply was an essential "no comment".

 

[DillonHall]

Can Malik do what Golson did last year? I don't see why not...

 

[ThePiombino]

Can Malik do what Golson did last year? I don't see why not...

Malik isn't as polished of a passer as EG. I don't see him being as effective as EG was, plus EG had a red-shirt year under his belt.

 

[beryirish]

I would be ecstatic if we would have to have no more commits or even visits from recruits up to the season opener if it meant no more of these s****y surprises....good lord...this is a real life soap opera -- i don't know how women do it.

 

[LoveThee]

Golson EE'd AND had a redshirt year and STILL didn't know the offense too well. He got better knowing it as the year went on and no doubt was budding into a star. It really sucks losing him and now the QB situation is going to be really interesting to watch.

Say TR starts, and MZ redshirts. He then has the same eligibility timeline as EG and would presumably transfer IMO (Is this right? I think I read somewhere Golson maintains 3 years of his eligibility)

Say MZ starts or even just does not redshirt, then it is evident that either Kelly is confident Golson won't come back or he is pissed off at Golson and wants to move the program in a different direction, and Golson will likely not come back to ND, meaning we would most likely need to take 2 QBs in this class. Unfortunate since we thought this could be the year we would skip taking a QB and its a pretty limited QB class IMO

 

[arrowryan]

Golson EE'd AND had a redshirt year and STILL didn't know the offense too well. He got better knowing it as the year went on and no doubt was budding into a star. It really sucks losing him and now the QB situation is going to be really interesting to watch.

Say TR starts, and MZ redshirts. He then has the same eligibility timeline as EG and would presumably transfer IMO (Is this right? I think I read somewhere Golson maintains 3 years of his eligibility)

Say MZ starts or even just does not redshirt, then it is evident that either Kelly is confident Golson won't come back or he is pissed off at Golson and wants to move the program in a different direction, and Golson will likely not come back to ND, meaning we would most likely need to take 2 QBs in this class. Unfortunate since we thought this could be the year we would skip taking a QB and its a pretty limited QB class IMO

That doesn't mean Zaire will be the same way. Everyone learns at a different pace

 

[LoveThee]

That doesn't mean Zaire will be the same way. Everyone learns at a different pace

Thats true and Zaire is touted as being very cerebral. I was just using that to point out how hard the offense is to learn. It could be overwhelming.

What do you think the QB situation will be like next year?

 

[Anchorman]

That doesn't mean Zaire will be the same way. Everyone learns at a different pace

Expecting Zaire to be ready after getting 4th team reps in Spring is ridiculous.

 

[arrowryan]

Thats true and Zaire is touted as being very cerebral. I was just using that to point out how hard the offense is to learn. It could be overwhelming.

What do you think the QB situation will be like next year?

I think Tommy starts and Kelly will run the offense based on Tommy's abilities. So I think that would mean a lot of two tight end sets, a lot of Greg Bryant, and play action pass. When they do go in shot gun, I think it will be short routes like slants. I'm saying short routes because Tommy doesn't have the mobility to keep the play alive.

I would say Hendrix but he reminds me too much of Crist. Looks like a deer in head lights out there and sometimes it looks like he's never seen a defense before.

 

[arrowryan]

Expecting Zaire to be ready after getting 4th team reps in Spring is ridiculous.

I'm not expecting that. In fact, I didn't say anything close to that. It's just not fair to automatically think that Zaire will learn the same way/pace Golson did