Tommy Rees and Carlo Calabrese arrested

[Grahambo]

Officer Down Memorial Page (ODMP)

I ask that some of you take a look at this site and read some stories of officers that have been killed in the line of duty.

What does this have to do with the topic? Things that officers have encountered and that have led to their deaths have altered how police academies are taught throughout the country. The things we are taught are to prevent us from ending up on that site.

Is it an excuse? Absolutely not. All police should demonstrate professionalism at all times, regardless of age. Are there bad apples? Just as in any other job, no different for us. Do some abuse their power? Yes and they should be stripped of their badge and their powers.

From my friends who are police, the instructors who taught us at the academy that have been police for 20-30 plus years and have been in gun fights in some scary neighborhoods, guys that I work with..one of the most dangerous things a cop has to do is a routine traffic stop. Something you might think is simple or easy, is really a scary situation. You catch a guy speeding or running a light so you pull him over, next thing you know there is a gun sitting in the backseat, a shotgun in the passenger seat, etc.

This isn't me trying to back the SBPD. I just want some of you to take a few minutes and think about the other side of the line.

Yeah, you may just be kids having fun, being kids but think about a guy in his mid-30's who has never seen you or any of your friends before in his life. His experience and his training has shaped him coming into these situations. Doesn't mean he should stop being professional.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

On a broader and more serious note:

I am with TP and don't believe any story I have heard yet because -
A) Tommy Rees would not be running away, let alone into a cab if he was pepper sprayed, because the pepper spraying must have happened closer to the house, (by all reports going over the fence), and
2) Would not have occured when he was grappling with any cabby. No cabby was sprayed obviously, and if he were that would have been a big boo-boo.

And:

III No prosecutorial department would have made loose a story like the cabby one. If they have a witness, good deal. A participant, better. But any worthwhile prosecutor is going to suppress that kind of story as long as possible. A cabby holding a college kid while any law enforcement official "administers justice" out of a pepper spray bottle is just the kind of shiit cray a good defense atty would lap up, like kittens drinking cream.

And, Grahambo, I asked a close friend who graduated from ND years ago, and he said the excise police in Indiana came to power from the cheap Cook Co IL booze, among other things. Part of the cop hatred, expecially with the state liquor cops is that in Indiana they can walk right into your house whenever they feel their rules are being violated. For alcohol consumption coresponding law enforcement cannot walk into private residences in Ohio, or Michigan.

This friend of mine was out walking one night when the SBPD were out taking a party down he was at, (but had not had a drink). "When they went to take him down to the ground, he said what do you want me for I live just down the block, been here all my life, but I just saw three or four of those rich @ssholes take off down the street over there!" And the cops were off . . . That was his story, so the idea of a heavy handed, unfair police department goes back over 50 years!

 

[Walter White]

TR was the ONLY one who ran...who else were they going to chase?

I believe others ran but stopped when they were yelled at by the police. I'm not condoning the actions by everyone involved (if your underage don't drink outside in public), but this really should not have been a big situation except Tommy panicked and decided to resist. Its just a case of mild stupidity and wrong place wrong time with an added bonus of a one very poor decision.

I don't think Tommy will be punished by the university after all this though. Court wise, he will probably have to serve a bunch of community service hours and maybe take a class on alcohol abuse. Everyone involved will get a good scolding from Kelly and some extra sprints. I hope all our guys learned a valuable lesson especially Tommy, but I still love them all.

You could tell by Goodman's reaction to the reporter that he was shaken up over all this. I think they all become a little wiser from this situation and better men in the long run. No reason to condemn them or even Tommy over this instance of immaturity.

EDIT: I allow myself the right to change my opinion until all reports are finalized and after the court's decision. I probably shouldn't even have a opinion until after the hearing but this is mine anyways as of right now.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I am really sorry but I'm having trouble summoning up any sympathy for Tommy in this situation. Running away is childish. Resisting arrest and kneeing a cop is stupid. What was he thinking? And Carlo pulling a Mafioso vendetta scam is pathetic and funny (in a "I'm laughing at you not with you" sort of way)

 

[JughedJones]

I am really sorry but I'm having trouble summoning up any sympathy for Tommy in this situation. Running away is childish. Resisting arrest and kneeing a cop is stupid. What was he thinking? And Carlo pulling a Mafioso vendetta scam is pathetic and funny (in a "I'm laughing at you not with you" sort of way)

We have no idea if that was actually said, or if it was, in what context.

Deep breaths.

 

[Grahambo]

Anybody else in favor in getting this thread closed?

 

[Irish To The Core]

We have no idea if that was actually said, or if it was, in what context.

Deep breaths.

Actually, there are reports from various sources that agree that Carlos yelled "My people are going to get you." several times. And kept coming back to repeat the amusing threat after being dragged off. I understand that he is sticking up for his buddy but, c'mon.

 

[Irish To The Core]

I believe others ran but stopped when they were yelled at by the police. I'm not condoning the actions by everyone involved (if your underage don't drink outside in public), but this really should not have been a big situation except Tommy panicked and decided to resist. Its just a case of mild stupidity and wrong place wrong time with an added bonus of a one very poor decision.

I don't think Tommy will be punished by the university after all this though. Court wise, he will probably have to serve a bunch of community service hours and maybe take a class on alcohol abuse. Everyone involved will get a good scolding from Kelly and some extra sprints. I hope all our guys learned a valuable lesson especially Tommy, but I still love them all.

You could tell by Goodman's reaction to the reporter that he was shaken up over all this. I think they all become a little wiser from this situation and better men in the long run. No reason to condemn them or even Tommy over this instance of immaturity.

EDIT: I allow myself the right to change my opinion until all reports are finalized and after the court's decision. I probably shouldn't even have a opinion until after the hearing but this is mine anyways as of right now.

I tend to agree with you. It sounds to me like Tommy and Carlo mostly need some dealing with authority while slightly intoxicated counselling and Goodman needs to consider hiring a nanny to watch the kids when he is having a get together. The felony battery charge seems to have been dropped, so Tommy inadvertantly kneed the cop.

 

[Walter White]

I am really sorry but I'm having trouble summoning up any sympathy for Tommy in this situation. Running away is childish. Resisting arrest and kneeing a cop is stupid. What was he thinking? And Carlo pulling a Mafioso vendetta scam is pathetic and funny (in a "I'm laughing at you not with you" sort of way)

Tommy was probably scared sh$tless when the officers showed up. He knows he shouldn't be drinking, and he knows he's in deep doodoo if he gets caught. He is the incumbent starting QB at ND. He does not want to hurt his future with the team by getting involved with law enforcement. So slightly intoxicated, he decides its best to take off. Not a wise decision nor the correct one but that is the one he made due to incredible stress put on him in a very quick amount of time. After seemingly out running the officer, a cab driver tackles him. Now he is realizing he has made a poor decision and is probably the most unlucky kid in South Bend right now. He might be having an all out panic attack. He might be crying. He might just be infuriated at himself and the unlikeliness of his predicament. He gets tackled by the officer who he instinctively puts a knee up to for self defense and catches him in the stomach. The officer panics thinking he is fighting back and immediatley pepper sprays Tommy. Tommy isn't happy about this and slightly resists while he gets dragged to the police car. They start to put him in the car and Calabrese who is a linebacker, which I imagine must makes you crazy and super jacked up at all times, sees Tommy, his teammate, being dragged to the car with his face swollen and crying from pepper spray. Calabrese instantly starts accusing the officers of abusing his friend and doesn't back down because his friend is in obvious pain, and he also is slightly intoxicated. He then gets cuffed for insubordination.

Thats kind of how I see this all playing out. I agree this was childish and stupid, but I am very sympathetic at the same time. I could see myself in that situation and having a minor panic attack. I hope I would not make those same decisions, but I would not put it past myself to be that stupid either. This is why I think we should not hate on Tommy for this action. I really hope he learned from it and will make changes in his life so that he will avoid these types of situations in the future.

 

[NDPhilly]

Sampson said that every around the program he has talked to say the staff prefers that Golson start but that he wasn't ready and that Rees most liely would have started against Navy. Now.... No idea.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Sad day... I can only hope that these kids can get themselves righted and back in good standing with not only the law, but also with the university. Prayers sent their way.

 

[returnofthemack]

Hmmm...a drunken cop evading doctor...just what I want operating on me. Do you happen to have any "people" that can "get" anyone who might cross you?

Surprisingly, you can go off campus and have a few drinks with friends without getting drunk. I know, I was shocked too. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter if you're drunk or not, if you blow even a .01, you can get a drinking ticket if you're under 21.

 

[scUM Hater]

Can we please just get back to Lynch

Enough is enough. Rees and Calabrese both did a stupid thing. This will affect both of their lives more than ours. I am sure both are regretful with their actions. Thank goodness Mariano Rivera hurt his knee so this story will now be buried. Let the process happen and then lets comment and say what we think.

 

[Irish YJ]

Sad day... I can only hope that these kids can get themselves righted and back in good standing with not only the law, but also with the university. Prayers sent their way.

+10

 

[Black Irish]

The lack of felony charges is promising, but I have a gut feeling Tommy doesn't skate off this too easy. Nothing so much to do with his talent, but I'd say it has everything to do with how much slack Kelly has. If the university throws the ball in his court, then the issue of Tommy's future is on Kelly. But if the university decides to take a hard line, we know that Kelly doesn't have a ton of pull at the moment and doesn't get to have the final word.

 

[IrishLax]

SIAP

I think it's doubly funny with the whole "Irish Mob '13" thing.

 

[Fbolt]

One thing I like here is that we have a tendency to look at ND as having a higher moral standard. Apparently that's all talk.

Posters stating good riddance, police abuse, mocking the two guys in this incident, and general stupidity are showing that we are no better than the other schools (OSU, Miami, USC, FSU) or people (Kiffin, Urban) that they enjoy mocking.

True colors

 

[JughedJones]

One thing I like here is that we have a tendency to look at ND as having a higher moral standard. Apparently that's all talk.

Posters stating good riddance, police abuse, mocking the two guys in this incident, and general stupidity are showing that we are no better than the other schools (OSU, Miami, USC, FSU) or people (Kiffin, Urban) that they enjoy mocking.

True colors

The **** are you talking about?

 

[Emcee77]

So a cab driver tackled Tommy? How the hell did he get involved? (Sorry; I hate when people ask stuff that they know is in the thread but work's been a bitch and I haven't been able to keep up with IE.)

I'm thinking Tommy gets suspended a few games, costing him the starting position. But who knows. I could see a Floyd-like deal going down where Tommy proves to CBK that he is making changes in his life or whatever it was that Floyd had to do to keep from missing any game time.

 

[stlnd01]

I'm sure I'm not the first person to make this joke, but I'd bet Golson would have evaded the tacklers and run to daylight.

Seriously, this sucks for TR. He seems like a good kid, went out the last night of classes like everyone else, got caught in a bad situation to be in when you're QB1, and panicked.

But I don't see how this is any more than community service, stern Res Life talking-to, and maybe a one-game suspension. Misdemeanor charges suggest the cops know he wasn't really "resisting arrest." Unlike Floyd, he's not a repeat offender. And we all move on, yes?

 

[IrishLax]

The **** are you talking about?

My thoughts exactly. The "moral superiority," as he calls it (and for the record I think is a really stupid and misconceived term), doesn't come from the quality/thoughtfulness of fan banter on the internet.

It comes from the fact that the University would've likely kicked Tommy out of school for simply being charged with a felony (although we'll never know now that it was knocked down)... while schools like Michigan State have played players actively serving (or who have served) time in jail.

It comes from kicking Kyle MacLarney out of school for pot possession when players at Maryland only get the minimum 2 game suspension and nothing else.

It comes from the fact that we treat all visiting fans with the utmost respect whereas a road trip to the Big House can lead to getting beer bottles thrown at you or getting sucker punched in the face so hard you need reconstructive surgery.

In short, it has everything to do with how the UNIVERSITY doesn't tolerate missteps and poor behavior; and absolutely nothing to do with message board comments.

 

[IrishMoore1]

People! ResLife is going to punish Rees, and they punish with a semester suspension or no semester suspension. There is no in between. The only way Rees is suspended for a few games is if ResLife decides to punish him in a way that does not include any kind of suspension. X number of games suspension only happens when BK makes the decision to discipline the athlete after ResLife has handed down its own punishment. In other words, BK has the power to suspend a player for any number of games, but if ResLife hands down a suspension, it is for a WHOLE semester.

 

[Irish To The Core]

One thing I like here is that we have a tendency to look at ND as having a higher moral standard. Apparently that's all talk.

Posters stating good riddance, police abuse, mocking the two guys in this incident, and general stupidity are showing that we are no better than the other schools (OSU, Miami, USC, FSU) or people (Kiffin, Urban) that they enjoy mocking.

True colors

Pardon me? What are we supposed to do? Pray for the boy's souls? Give me a break. They were without a doubt dumba$$ moves by Tommy and Carlo. If you can't laugh about your own, then what is the point? I enjoy ND football and I love the Irish. I don't like when people attack these kids for their best efforts on the field, but when somebody does something dumb like this...who can deny there is humor to be found? It is funny because Tommy is such an innocent...the kid who gets pepper sprayed and handcuffed the first time he has a beer (no I am not saying I think it was his first beer). Personally I see far less in this (pending further details) than Floyd's DUI and drunken dust up. I hope this is not the determining factor in the qb race, I want Golson to be the starter in Sept. but not because of this incident.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Hey maybe the punishment for Tommy could be changing the team term for qb sacks to TAXIS.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Navy linebacker coach: "How are we going to contain Rees if he breaks containment?"

Navy def. coordinator: "Pepper spray and taxi drivers"

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

This thread should be carpet bombed.

 

[mgriff]

His first offense I'm sure, maybe he'll get community service and some probation/alcohol classes. It will be okay for him legally. He needs to be worried about ResLife.

 

[NankerPhelge]

Can't really say anything about this situation that hasn't already been said. However, after having read what seems like a billion posts talking about "assault on a police officer," "assault and battery" and the like, just thought I'd contribute the information that there is no such thing as "assault" under Indiana law. There is battery, which, in its simplest statutory defenition is a "rude, angry, or insolent touching of another without the other's consent." So, a simple grabbing of the arm or a poke of the finger to the chest is a battery if done in a "rude, insolent, or angry manner." The question of what class of misdemeanor it is, or whether it becomes a felony, is based on a number of other factors set forth in the statute, like whether it caused seriously bodily harm, was committed with a deadly weapon, was upon a law enforcement officer, etc. I suppose taking a swing at somebody and missing could be an "attempted battery." But, there is no "assault" in Indiana. For what it is worth. Didn't think there was anything more af any value (as if this post is) to add to this discussion.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Teufel Hunden!

Teufel Hunden!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I believe others ran but stopped when they were yelled at by the police. I'm not condoning the actions by everyone involved (if your underage don't drink outside in public), but this really should not have been a big situation except Tommy panicked and decided to resist. Its just a case of mild stupidity and wrong place wrong time with an added bonus of a one very poor decision.

I don't think Tommy will be punished by the university after all this though. Court wise, he will probably have to serve a bunch of community service hours and maybe take a class on alcohol abuse. Everyone involved will get a good scolding from Kelly and some extra sprints. I hope all our guys learned a valuable lesson especially Tommy, but I still love them all.

You could tell by Goodman's reaction to the reporter that he was shaken up over all this. I think they all become a little wiser from this situation and better men in the long run. No reason to condemn them or even Tommy over this instance of immaturity.

EDIT: I allow myself the right to change my opinion until all reports are finalized and after the court's decision. I probably shouldn't even have a opinion until after the hearing but this is mine anyways as of right now.

Yeah baby!