Tommy Rees and Carlo Calabrese arrested

[greyhammer90]

Wrong. I was arrested in high school for MIP and contributing to a minor (yes, I was a minor as well at the time) there were 5 of us in the kitchen (which had a window to the back yard that you could see through from the street) Cop walked up, shined his light in the window and let himself in the gate and started checking ID's.....Had no idea how old we were and two of my buddies had full grown beards. So throw that crap out the window about "looking young"...that doesn't apply whatsoever. Usually they won't mess with those that they think are old enough...but it's not a rule.

Doesn't matter what you look like. If they suspect minors are drinking, they can enter your house. Reasonable suspicion.

Cops can ask for ID at anytime they suspect anything.

Sounds like you should have told him to leave and he would have been required by law to do so immediately, before checking any ID. UNLESS he claimed plain view, but then you could have argued that in court. I'm not saying that in the moment a cop can't do mostly whatever he wants. I understand that police officers bend or break these rules a lot, especially with people who don't know their rights. But the key is protecting yourself as much as you can legally and setting yourself up to have as much of an advantage as you can in court. If you and your friends asked him to leave the property and he refused you probably should have gotten a lawyer.

 

[irishff1014]

This is hilarious because that's EXACTLY what is said when people DO need them.... and then they fail to do their job.

Let me guess you had a praty busted?

 

[Domina Nostra]

I love the police where I am in Alabama, but I definitly had my issues with the South Bend police. It's true that their job is very hard, but it goes beyond that, as people have alluded to. That certainly does not excuse assault, but I am going to reserve my judgment until I hear what happened.

Doing this from my phone...but my main thing was pointing out that floyd's offense was a black eye as well...a black eye is a black eye...and i never put what tommy did on the same level...i used the comparison to say that people are celebrating because he wasnt performing...if he had been, nobody would be so gleeful about it...that was it...hope that clears my point up a bit

Salty, I hear that. Good point.

 

[returnofthemack]

Believe me, EVERY college town student/resident complains about this. SB isn't special.

Come down here to Texas (I went to Sam Houston State...yeah, the same town where they execute people and home of the #1 criminal justice program in the nation) and I'll show you what a REAL college town cop with an ego is.

I know there are harda$$ cops everywhere, that's what being a cop is all about. But South Bend is curious because the majority of its residents hate ND so much. SBPD never gets as much goodwill from the city as when they bust ND kids. It's not like they do anything else.

 

[irishpat183]

Please....You guys on here saying

"You never lived in SB"

or

"You dont' know the SBPD"

You're right. I haven't. But I went to college and graduated from a university in a town that executes more people than anyother place in the country. The home of the #1 criminal justice program in the nation. And it's in Texas.

So cut it. There are worse towns and there are much bigger colleges with cops that are probably much bigger a$$holes. I know you think that you're the only ones that this happens too, but again, this is the UNIVERSAL COMPLAINT OF EVERY COLLEGE KID IN THE COUNTRY.

This case isn't exclusive to SB.


I hope everything works out for Tommy, but that he's ultimately thrown off the team. LOL.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I may have never have been blessed enough to do something for ND but I sure as hell did something for this country. I still serve my country as law enforcement. Quit making excuses for Rees. Give his all? He plays football at the greatest university in the land and is getting a top notch education for free. Gives his all...smh

So we should celebrate him getting arrested??? We should be happy because now that gives Golson or Hendrix the job? We should get on message boards and say how glad we are it was him???

If that's the way you roll...then I'm 'smh' at you. NOBODY was happy that Floyd was arrested. Not one person. But many Irish fans on different boards are straight celebrating that it was Rees.

And who is making excuses for Rees??? I'm certainly not. I just said that it was chickensh!t the way some Irish fans are treating him. Still feel that way, and you being a vet means absolutely nothing in this argument. Thanks for serving our country, and I truly mean that, but no thanks for you being happy that Rees was arrested (if in fact you are - I have no idea, but you responded as if you are)...

 

[IrishLax]

Really? Didn't think you'd drop this low. Love how people think they have it figured out.

Dude... this is not an indictment of police everywhere.... it's an indictment of SBPD. Ask around and you will find dozens of examples of people needing help from SBPD for REAL CRIMES and not getting it. I had a friend watch their car get broken into from their bedroom window, call the cops, they said they'd "send someone over immediately,".... 45 minutes later a cop shows up, acts completely disinterested, has her fill out a form, grabs it gruffly and drives away with a "we'll let you know if we find anything." But they respond to noise complaints with 4+ cops ASAP.

The examples of their incompetence go on and on and on and on. It's telling that the only people defending them are those who haven't lived in South Bend (correct me if I'm wrong) or who have a family friend who's a cop.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Please. All of you who are defending SBPD I'm guessing have never lived in South Bend. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. But you just don't get it.

This. There is a clear agenda that exists within the SBPD. Seriously think about it. They can show up to a college party every weekend and hand out 10-15 MIP or public intox tickets and rake in $150-$200 for every one.

 

[deblaz6497]

I have no remorse for Tommy

I have no remorse for Tommy

I want to bring to everyones attention the phrase the team chants as they break before and after practices.... "COUNT ON ME" ... What Tommy did doesnt just effect him it effects every single player, coach, football staff, student, fans and the University as a whole. When Mike Floyd got pulled over he didnt stop and then floor it and try to get away. He pulled to the side of the road even when realizing what his actions had led to and he took it like a man. He than continued to handle the situation like a man and improved from this road block he created... Tommy supposely "ran" which I am assuming resisting means and than once caught he asaulted an officer. His actions were so over the top that pepper spray needed to be used to disable him. I want to bring back in our motto "COUNT ON ME" ... Carlo is a senior so I am assuming he is 21 but I might be wrong but he had no reason to get in trouble he got involved clearly because of TOMMYs actions. He for filled his promise that when in need his teammate could count on him. TOmmys actions not only destroyed his life but put his teammates and university's name on the line.

I will be honest I didnt want Tommy leading our team because of his physical limits.... I will be honest again I dont want Tommy leading our team cause he is not a leader. He is a child, he didnt handle the situation like a man and take the effects his actions led to. He is not someone I want anyone of the young men wearing a golden dome on saturdays to follow. I dont feel bad for him in the least. I feel bad for the teammates that believed in him, I feel bad for the fans that cheered for him, I feel bad for Coach Kelly cause he continued to believe in this kid and put his job on the line for this kid only to find out the only really part the Tommy took in in the motto was "ME" cause last night that is all that tommy could think about is what is goin to happen to me... it is a lesson to all, look where worrying about yourself gets you.

The Era EG has begun

 

[irishpat183]

I know there are harda$$ cops everywhere, that's what being a cop is all about. But South Bend is curious because the majority of its residents hate ND so much. SBPD never gets as much goodwill from the city as when they bust ND kids. It's not like they do anything else.

And I feel you on that. That's the way it SEEMS.

But there is a lot more going on than that.

I didn't really start to respect police until I graduated and moved away. Now when I go back for our fraternity softball tourney every year, I can see why cops had to be firm and somewhat jerks when dealing with me back then.

 

[Irishcop]

So all of them do?


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more cops that do good things (save lives, lock up bad guys) and do their job, than those that don't.

Again, I get the frustration. When I was 21 in college, I didn't like them either...but then, something magical happened...

I GREW UP

Thank you.

 

[irishpat183]

This. There is a clear agenda that exists within the SBPD. Seriously think about it. They can show up to a college party every weekend and hand out 10-15 MIP or public intox tickets and rake in $150-$200 for every one.

ANd that's a small university....imagine a big one.

There is a clear agenda in every college town when it comes to this. It's a money maker.

 

[Patulski]

This is going to be interesting how BK handles this one. BET you that Tommy just went to 4th string QB.

Here's my guess: The felony charge will be dropped. Both players will be reinstated. Tommy's days as starting QB are over. Carlo will be on the field next fall.

Caveat: The players being reinstated is based on current trends. The new appoint of VP of Student Affairs may indicate ND is going back to its old draconian policies. Let's hope not.

 

[woolybug25]

Please....You guys on here saying

"You never lived in SB"

or

"You dont' know the SBPD"

You're right. I haven't. But I went to college and graduated from a university in a town that executes more people than anyother place in the country. The home of the #1 criminal justice program in the nation. And it's in Texas.

So cut it. There are worse towns and there are much bigger colleges with cops that are probably much bigger a$$holes. I know you think that you're the only ones that this happens too, but again, this is the UNIVERSAL COMPLAINT OF EVERY COLLEGE KID IN THE COUNTRY.

This case isn't exclusive to SB.


I hope everything works out for Tommy, but that he's ultimately thrown off the team. LOL.

Actually, it is exclusive to South Bend. We don't give a rat's @ss what is going on in the #1 criminal justice program and it has no relevance to this argument.

If you have never dealt with South Bend PD then you are talking about something that you have no frame of reference on. You don't know if there are "bigger @holes" because you have never dealt with South Bend PD. It's as simple as that dude. You don't know what the hell you are talking about, so don't tell us to "cut it" when we are the ones that have actually experienced it. You are the one that (as usual with you) is making blind judgement off of your own uneducated generalizations.

 

[Irish Fam]

****. This sucks. Striking a police officer is one of the dumbest things that a person can do. Tommy deserves whatever he has coming.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

I've seen people charged with resisting/assault when all they did was turn around and try to talk to an officer who was trying to cuff them.

Part of their job is to cite them for every possible offense even remotely imaginagle and let the state atty sort it out.

"Assault" in our normal, everday vernacular is just different that when used in a citation, so I say reserve judgment.

 

[irishff1014]

For those of you commenting about how noble the police are, you don't know unless you went to ND. I was at a party junior year where it got busted. There was a sophomore girl, terrified and bawling her eyes out, and those f*ckers just laughed. They take pleasure in busting ND students, I've seen it first hand.

these always cry when they get in trouble by the law. they think they can get off by crying.

 

[IrishLax]

Please....You guys on here saying

"You never lived in SB"

or

"You dont' know the SBPD"

You're right. I haven't. But I went to college and graduated from a university in a town that executes more people than anyother place in the country. The home of the #1 criminal justice program in the nation. And it's in Texas.

So cut it. There are worse towns and there are much bigger colleges with cops that are probably much bigger a$$holes. I know you think that you're the only ones that this happens too, but again, this is the UNIVERSAL COMPLAINT OF EVERY COLLEGE KID IN THE COUNTRY.

This case isn't exclusive to SB.


I hope everything works out for Tommy, but that he's ultimately thrown off the team. LOL.

I'll put this as shortly as possible:

The problem people have with SBPD is not that they bust parties or are "hardassess"... it is that the city has lots of REAL CRIME and that SBPD never seems to give that crime serious attention and devotes their resources to the arrests that pay the bills (e.g. drinking tickets).

There is something wrong with rolling up to a noise complaint with 2+ squad cars but taking 45 minutes to send a single officer to an in progress robbery or refusing to follow up on located stolen goods. The people who have seen their lack of care for protecting the community get fed up when the same cops turn around and super-strictly enforce the laws with a $ attached.

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't necessarily blame cops for enforcing stupid laws. It is what they are paid to do. Our problem lies in creating all these dumb laws that do nothing but erode personal liberty while giving leverage to police, courts and attorneys to make us live in fear. Fear elicits a FIGHT OR FLIGHT response, particularly in the immature, inebriated and idiotic segment of society (

18 year old drinking age solves a lot of this stupidity, as does legalized MJ. How much of this action moves to bars instead of house parties? Let the cops focus on real problems.

 

[Jerry]

I feel terrible for Rees, I hope its not true, I hope he gets another chance, etc., etc. But, there is no need to lecture people on moral equivalence. It's not necessarily true.

There are real differences between apparently assaulting a police officer and a DUI. Assault is intentional behavior, while a DUI is wreckless behavior. People are entitled to think one inevitably deserves a different punishment than the other.

I can understand the argument that a DUI is worse, since the potential consequences to innocent third-parties are worse. But it is not a given that Floyd would have remained on the team had his third offense been assaulting a police officer. I think he would have been expelled, which shows you right there that people can see this differently.

So you aren't intentionally breaking the law when you drive drunk? The one assault on an officer charge that I witnessed about 12 years ago was a kid pushing away from the officer when he was trying to grab him. Was his intention to assault the officer?? I don't know as much as I think DUI's are villainized these days I think they are still worse than drunk kids running away from cops when a party gets busted. Maybe Tommy did hit or kick the officer but the statement from the police chief didn't make it sound too terrible.

 

[Irish Fam]

I've seen people charged with resisting/assault when all they did was turn around and try to talk to an officer who was trying to cuff them.

Part of their job is to cite them for every possible offense even remotely imaginagle and let the state atty sort it out.

"Assault" in our normal, everday vernacular is just different that when used in a citation, so I say reserve judgment.

Reports say that he kneed the cop in the abdomen.

 

[woolybug25]

Reports say that he kneed the cop in the abdomen.

While they were on the ground after he was tackled. It also read, "he lifted his knee into his abdomen" not "he violently kneed the unsuspecting officer". Big difference.

 

[Patulski]

"Assault" in our normal, everday vernacular is just different that when used in a citation, so I say reserve judgment.

Also, "assault" automatically becomes a felony when applied to a police officer.

 

[Grahambo]

Same question for you that I asked pat (which he still hasn't answered), how much time have you spent in South Bend and in particularly on Notre Dame's campus on non game days?

I've never been, even on gameday.

 

[Rack Em]

Paging Judge Smails. Paging Judge Smails.

"There's no gambling at Bushwood, sir! And I never slice!"

 

[Domina Nostra]

So you aren't intentionally breaking the law when you drive drunk? The one assault on an officer charge that I witnessed about 12 years ago was a kid pushing away from the officer when he was trying to grab him. Was his intention to assault the officer?? I don't know as much as I think DUI's are villainized these days I think they are still worse than drunk kids running away from cops when a party gets busted. Maybe Tommy did hit or kick the officer but the statement from the police chief didn't make it sound too terrible.

I agree. I meant if someone gets hurt from a DUI its a result of wreckless behavior- the driver was not trying to hurt anyone, even if he intended to drive a car when he should not be. With classic assaults, like kicking at someone, you are intentionally trying to hit someone.

But that is not to say that you could charge someone with "assault/battery" when he was not trying to inflict any harm. You can also charge someone with a DUI who was in full control of his faculties and did not pose a risk to anyone.

My point was that it is not open and shut that a DUI is better, worse, or equal to "assault" in every situation. ND doles out punushment based on the facts of the particular case.

 

[Irish Fam]

I feel like a lot of cops, definitely not all, but plenty, are very power hungry. I am not saying that this is the case with SBPD, but it definitely sounds like it is. Show up to a house and remind kids who is boss. Check. Spend hours or days on a case of burglaries where you may or may not ever find the thief. Pass.

 

[Irish Fam]

While they were on the ground after he was tackled. It also read, "he lifted his knee into his abdomen" not "he violently kneed the unsuspecting officer". Big difference.

This is from the South Bend Tribune:

"On the ground, the officer allegedly was kneed in the abdomen by Rees, which knocked the wind out of him and led him to pepper spray Rees."

Notre Dame quarterback, linebacker arrested Thursday morning - southbendtribune.com

 

[irishpat183]

]Actually, it is exclusive to South Bend.[/B] We don't give a rat's @ss what is going on in the #1 criminal justice program and it has no relevance to this argument.

If you have never dealt with South Bend PD then you are talking about something that you have no frame of reference on. You don't know if there are "bigger @holes" because you have never dealt with South Bend PD. It's as simple as that dude. You don't know what the hell you are talking about, so don't tell us to "cut it" when we are the ones that have actually experienced it. You are the one that (as usual with you) is making blind judgement off of your own uneducated generalizations.

-No, it's not. Sorry, but the world is a whole lot bigger than south bend (just not on Saturdays..).

Laugable. So you think that because I've never lived in South Bend, I wouldn't know what it's like to deal with cops in college towns? South Bend cops are NO DIFFERENT than cops on any other college campus. I'm sorry, they're not.

I was simply stating that what you guys are dealing with is nothing special. And I was defending the police. Cops in college towns have this rep everywhere. "they got nothing better to do......blah blah blah.....". I had the same exact attitude in college. As did everyone I ever knew at any one of the hundreds of colleges that they attended.

I have a friend at ND right now...no complaints about ND cops so far...she's been there 3 years. I know people at other campuses that have been there 3 DAYS AND HAVE BEEN HARRASSED.

So yeah, CUT IT.

 

[Irish4Life09]

That was my answer to that scenario. I for one am not rejoicing in this but as a Secret Service officer, I certainly don't feel bad. Doesn't matter if he was scared, ran, was caught, and tried getting away. He wasn't getting kidnapped, you don't assault, resist arrest etc. The kid had to he pepper sprayed, that's not good.

Why did you guys have to fight with those Colombian prostitutes? i keed i keed.