Who Will Replace Hoke at Michigan

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The best pick for the type of football they want to play is in-state. Thankfully, they won't lure him away from MSU.
 
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kmoose said:
By all accounts, Tressel is a genuinely good guy who made a HUGE error in judgment, at Ohio State. His subsequent work, at Akron University, was performed at (as far as we know) high levels of both efficacy AND integrity. I'm not saying that he should just be forgiven or anything. I won't feel sorry for him if he never gets another coaching job. But lets not act like he was running a Miami-esque program, in Columbus. I think of Tressel in a similar vein as Hayes and Paterno; great coaches who were tremendously positive influences on countless numbers of young men, who will forever be remembered more for their flaws, than for all of the good that they did.
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Not to get too far off course here, but Tressel had his share of controversy before ever getting to tOSU.


Jim Tressel: The Youngstown State Scandal Revisited | Bleacher Report


Interesting quote from the article prior to his spiral downward at tOSU.



"While what I write about has only been met by denial and spin, reality and common sense point to a man who can't face the punishment nor admit to his wrong doings, setting himself up for a massive implosion when the day comes that he is caught red handed by those of his ever so many haters."
 
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kmoose said:
By all accounts, Tressel is a genuinely good guy who made a HUGE error in judgment, at Ohio State. His subsequent work, at Akron University, was performed at (as far as we know) high levels of both efficacy AND integrity. I'm not saying that he should just be forgiven or anything. I won't feel sorry for him if he never gets another coaching job. But lets not act like he was running a Miami-esque program, in Columbus. I think of Tressel in a similar vein as Hayes and Paterno; great coaches who were tremendously positive influences on countless numbers of young men, who will forever be remembered more for their flaws, than for all of the good that they did.
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I have shared the story many times, but I have a first hand account of how he pushed players thru the university with a football first mentality and according to this player he wasn't alone. Mind you, this player isn't bitter about it, but disappointed that he didn't have better guidance from his family and HS coaches as he was only concerned about getting to the NFL (which he did). JT's care for the players post OSU seems to be murky at best.
 
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dublinirish said:
Kliff not Kiff :)
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Ahhh, missed that.

So, this guy:
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Your earlier post makes more sense now too.
 
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kmoose said:
By all accounts, Tressel is a genuinely good guy who made a HUGE error in judgment, at Ohio State. His subsequent work, at Akron University, was performed at (as far as we know) high levels of both efficacy AND integrity. I'm not saying that he should just be forgiven or anything. I won't feel sorry for him if he never gets another coaching job. But lets not act like he was running a Miami-esque program, in Columbus. I think of Tressel in a similar vein as Hayes and Paterno; great coaches who were tremendously positive influences on countless numbers of young men, who will forever be remembered more for their flaws, than for all of the good that they did.
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I could not disagree more strongly. He was, at best, asleep at the switch while this nonsense was going on and then lied and covered up. His "gee, I wish I could help him" act re Maurice Clarett showed me a lot about him, too. This is not some great guy.

Edit: I'll grant you, there is only so much a coach can do in such situations; I guess my point is that Tressel made a big show of being helpless, when he really didn't do much if anything to help.

I'm also not picking on Youngstown; it's my birthplace. I love it. But there is a stench of corruption that's been here for decades, and I cannot believe the shortsightedness of university officials.
 
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palinurus said:
Not sure if this was posted earlier.

Michigan football: Top Ten Replacements for Brady Hoke If He Gets Fire
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7. Chuck Martin, head coach, Miami (OH)

Who? We thought the same thing when this name was thrown out as someone to keep an eye on, but when you look deeper, it makes sense. Martin spent a decade in the state of Michigan as DC then head coach at Grand Valley State, the first 4 seasons as DC under Notre Dame HC Brian Kelly.

After assuming the head coaching role in 2004, Martin won NCAA D II National Championships in his 2nd and 3rd season. He reunited with Kelly at Notre Dame in 2011, and was OC during the Irish’s run to the BCS National Championship appearance following the 2012 season. Martin is in his first season as head coach at Miami (OH) – the same school that Michigan legend Bo Schembechler coached at prior to Michigan. Some have compared Martin’s background to Jim Tressel.
 
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7. Chuck Martin, head coach, Miami (OH)

Who? We thought the same thing when this name was thrown out as someone to keep an eye on, but when you look deeper, it makes sense. Martin spent a decade in the state of Michigan as DC then head coach at Grand Valley State, the first 4 seasons as DC under Notre Dame HC Brian Kelly.

After assuming the head coaching role in 2004, Martin won NCAA D II National Championships in his 2nd and 3rd season. He reunited with Kelly at Notre Dame in 2011, and was OC during the Irish’s run to the BCS National Championship appearance following the 2012 season. Martin is in his first season as head coach at Miami (OH) – the same school that Michigan legend Bo Schembechler coached at prior to Michigan. Some have compared Martin’s background to Jim Tressel.
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I think Martin could be a good coach, but I don't think the Wolverine faithful would be excited about going after a HC that's 0-4 right now.
 
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NDohio said:
7. Chuck Martin, head coach, Miami (OH)

Who? We thought the same thing when this name was thrown out as someone to keep an eye on, but when you look deeper, it makes sense. Martin spent a decade in the state of Michigan as DC then head coach at Grand Valley State, the first 4 seasons as DC under Notre Dame HC Brian Kelly.

After assuming the head coaching role in 2004, Martin won NCAA D II National Championships in his 2nd and 3rd season. He reunited with Kelly at Notre Dame in 2011, and was OC during the Irish’s run to the BCS National Championship appearance following the 2012 season. Martin is in his first season as head coach at Miami (OH) – the same school that Michigan legend Bo Schembechler coached at prior to Michigan. Some have compared Martin’s background to Jim Tressel.
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Hahaha. All my life's a circle...
 
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If Miles were offered the job, he would 100% take it. In this interview with MLive this summer, Miles makes it very clear that he wants the Michigan job.
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I like how Jim Harbaugh still makes lists as a possible replacement at Michigan. I wonder how deep/far back these writers even research candidates, they must have missed that last Wolverine coaching search.
 
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Whatever they do, I don't want them to take Chuck Martin. I want him when Kelly retires.
 
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ulukinatme said:
I like how Jim Harbaugh still makes lists as a possible replacement at Michigan. I wonder how deep/far back these writers even research candidates, they must have missed that last Wolverine coaching search.
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Just like us and Gruden...
 
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I'm not sold on Martin as the future post-Kelly. Let's see if he can turn Miami around, then we'll talk. I think his OC work left a bit to be desired personally.
 
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I'm not sold on Martin as the future post-Kelly. Let's see if he can turn Miami around, then we'll talk. I think his OC work left a bit to be desired personally.
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I agree with whoever described him as being in the mold of The Senator, who went straight from NC's at the FCS level to NC's at the FBS level. I am not sure Tressel would have done as well as he did if he had taken Martin's path instead. Some people are born to be coordinators (Mattison, Weis) and some are born to be head coaches. His lack of success to date at Miami doesn't concern me; many coaches who start off poorly wind up doing very well in the long run. Kelly lost to Navy and Tulsa. Saban was smacked around by Louisiana-Monroe and Utah. Heck, Pete Carroll lost 4 of his first 5 games at USC.
 
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I agree with whoever described him as being in the mold of The Senator, who went straight from NC's at the FCS level to NC's at the FBS level. I am not sure Tressel would have done as well as he did if he had taken Martin's path instead. Some people are born to be coordinators (Mattison, Weis) and some are born to be head coaches. His lack of success to date at Miami doesn't concern me; many coaches who start off poorly wind up doing very well in the long run. Kelly lost to Navy and Tulsa. Saban was smacked around by Louisiana-Monroe and Utah. Heck, Pete Carroll lost 4 of his first 5 games at USC.
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As an ND fan and Miami alumnus, I've actually been pretty impressed with Martin's work this year despite the 0-4 record. Having seen Hendrix at Notre Dame, he looks pretty poised this year but is still prone to overthrowing. They played Michigan tough for three quarters, and the players showed like they were actually enjoying playing football, which is a major step up from last year.
 
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BGIF said:
Rodriguez did a pretty good job of eviscerating a program in record time. He didn't run the dead wood off. He chased away prime talent and then failed to produce with what was left. He also brought NCAA baggage with him and generated new infractions during his short stay. And I seemed to recall he engendered animosity from players, former players, alumni, faculty, administrators, and fans.

Did he have the worse record in UM history or did it just seem that way?

Other than that, yeah he got a raw deal.
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Rodriguez was trending upwards though. Hoke has been sinking steadily since winning the Sugar Bowl with RRs recruits.
 
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Uhmm... yeeeaaahh... I'll pass on taking too much from an opinion piece written by someone who had their lunch packed by their mother.
 
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