Who Will Replace Hoke at Michigan

[T Town Tommy]

No one wants to come to Michigan after seeing Rodriguez eviscerated. If you do not have lineage to the program you can expect a rough ride. Why would anyone in their right mind go there? This is one point where their arrogance is going to hurt them because their belief is that they can get anybody they want, and that is just not true.

UM is still in the elite status of coaching jobs in the college ranks however bad they have been recently. Maybe they don't get the two big names being thrown around, but I gotta believe they will have several options if and when the time comes. The next hire will be crucial however. That person has to get it right or UM will run the risk of slowly fading in to obscurity - they're halfway there now.

 

[BGIF]

No one wants to come to Michigan after seeing Rodriguez eviscerated. If you do not have lineage to the program you can expect a rough ride. Why would anyone in their right mind go there? This is one point where their arrogance is going to hurt them because their belief is that they can get anybody they want, and that is just not true.

Rodriguez did a pretty good job of eviscerating a program in record time. He didn't run the dead wood off. He chased away prime talent and then failed to produce with what was left. He also brought NCAA baggage with him and generated new infractions during his short stay. And I seemed to recall he engendered animosity from players, former players, alumni, faculty, administrators, and fans.

Did he have the worse record in UM history or did it just seem that way?

Other than that, yeah he got a raw deal.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Biliema, Muschamp, London, and Fitgerald are all on the Hot Seat at their current jobs.

Mullen has a future at a bigger job in the SEC where he still recruit with his regional contacts.

Addazio and some of those other guys are newbies as HCs. They need years of seasoning. UM like ND and Bama is no place for HC OJT. (Brennan, Faust, D.C. Bob Davie, O.C. Charlie Weis, D.C. Mike DuBose, O.C. Mike Shula, et al.)

I think that Bret Bielema would be the exact kind of guy for the offense that the skunkbears would want. If Bielema has any sort of ill feelings for Wisconsin still, then it'd be the way to go. He could definitely do better than Hoke at UM, so I really hope that he wouldn't be the hire.

It's interesting to think who scUM could actually get though.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I think that Bret Bielema would be the exact kind of guy for the offense that the skunkbears would want. If Bielema has any sort of ill feelings for Wisconsin still, then it'd be the way to go. He could definitely do better than Hoke at UM, so I really hope that he wouldn't be the hire.

It's interesting to think who scUM could actually get though.

Don't know if Bielema is ready to leave Arkansas just yet. He is just now getting them to be the type of team he wants. Don't know if he will ever win titles in the SEC like he could in the B1G, but he has taken a downtrodden Razerback team and made them competitive in two years. Don't really care for his whiny as*, and if he left Arkansas to go to UM, the Urban comparisons of not wanting to coach in the SEC will soon follow.

 

[irishog77]

Bielema has about 5 million reasons not to leave Arkansas.

 

[dublinirish]

Les Miles probably won't ever get the job until Lloyd Carr is dead. Carr does not like Miles and was the reason Miles didn't get the job when Carr retired. Carr would rather let Rich Rod takes the program back a decade than have Miles take over which tells you all you need to know about how big a of tool Carr is. Harbaugh has already burnt his bridges at SCUM after he called them out over academics for football players so you have to say the pickings are slim and the Lloyd Carr coaching tree is pretty much dead. Looks like another outside hire is required, that's gonna be a lot of fun

 

[MNIrishman]

Rodriguez did a pretty good job of eviscerating a program in record time. He didn't run the dead wood off. He chased away prime talent and then failed to produce with what was left. He also brought NCAA baggage with him and generated new infractions during his short stay. And I seemed to recall he engendered animosity from players, former players, alumni, faculty, administrators, and fans.

Did he have the worse record in UM history or did it just seem that way?

Other than that, yeah he got a raw deal.

RR was an unpopular guy the moment he set foot in campus. He wasn't a Michigan Man, or whatever, and he coached exciting football instead of boring, neanderthal football like the skunks are used to. The attrition to start is hardly that extreme; Strong at Texas is experiencing the same thing. RR had an improving record and ran a system that really required certain recruits to run it well-the kind that might even allow a mediocre MAC coach to win 11 games in his first year, for example. The man was run off for being an outsider and for not producing immediately. His record at other schools would seem to indicate Michigan is the problem. That being the case, with the last two coaches terminated prematurely, they might look bad from a 'fair shake' standpoint.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Don't know if Bielema is ready to leave Arkansas just yet. He is just now getting them to be the type of team he wants. Don't know if he will ever win titles in the SEC like he could in the B1G, but he has taken a downtrodden Razerback team and made them competitive in two years. Don't really care for his whiny as*, and if he left Arkansas to go to UM, the Urban comparisons of not wanting to coach in the SEC will soon follow.

Normally I would think so, but I see enough reasons (especially if scUM opens up the pocketbook) to make me think he could be a target.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Les Miles probably won't ever get the job until Lloyd Carr is dead. Carr does not like Miles and was the reason Miles didn't get the job when Carr retired. Carr would rather let Rich Rod takes the program back a decade than have Miles take over which tells you all you need to know about how big a of tool Carr is. Harbaugh has already burnt his bridges at SCUM after he called them out over academics for football players so you have to say the pickings are slim and the Lloyd Carr coaching tree is pretty much dead. Looks like another outside hire is required, that's gonna be a lot of fun

Les isn't going anywhere.

And Carr needs to be put out to pasture.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Normally I would think so, but I see enough reasons (especially if scUM opens up the pocketbook) to make me think he could be a target.

That would be a pretty big pocketbook. UM has it... but do they really want another blowhard? I would go after a young, up and comer like Kingsbury. Gonna have to have a team that can beat OSU consistently so you build around that. Kingsbury would bring much excitement to the program and would be a heck of a lot cheaper than some of the big names being thrown around. Not an endorsement for Kliff but a coach along those lines could be a great hire long term.

 

[dublinirish]

RR was an unpopular guy the moment he set foot in campus. He wasn't a Michigan Man, or whatever, and he coached exciting football instead of boring, neanderthal football like the skunks are used to. The attrition to start is hardly that extreme; Strong at Texas is experiencing the same thing. RR had an improving record and ran a system that really required certain recruits to run it well-the kind that might even allow a mediocre MAC coach to win 11 games in his first year, for example. The man was run off for being an outsider and for not producing immediately. His record at other schools would seem to indicate Michigan is the problem. That being the case, with the last two coaches terminated prematurely, they might look bad from a 'fair shake' standpoint.

RichRod had really only himself to blame for his firing in the end. They had a senior night in his final season where all the players stood up and vouched for him and his staff and then Rich Rod followed that himself by giving a rousing speech that many in attendance agreed would have saved his job. His downfall was attempting to lead the assembled crowds and alum's and TRUE MICHIGAN MEN (C) in a ear bleedingly awkward rendition of Josh Gruban's "You Raise Me Up". He was fired the next morning.

 

[koonja]

That would be a pretty big pocketbook. UM has it... but do they really want another blowhard? I would go after a young, up and comer like Kingsbury. Gonna have to have a team that can beat OSU consistently so you build around that. Kingsbury would bring much excitement to the program and would be a heck of a lot cheaper than some of the big names being thrown around. Not an endorsement for Kliff but a coach along those lines could be a great hire long term.

That's who I'm hoping they don't get. I'd like ND to get a young, energetic, fierce recruiter like him when BK leaves.

 

[irishog77]

Sumlin was desperate to leave aTm after last season. Allegedly begged Haden for the SC job. I also expect him to bolt as soon as he gets a better offer.



Agreed. Brandon will get the axe before Hoke.



Agreed on Harbaugh and Miles. Would have happened by now if either was a real possibility.

Though I don't see Graham as being more likely. Especially after their experience with DickRod. And ASU is arguably a better job.

I'm not sure he was desperate to leave though, was he? I mean having interest in the sc job is one thing. What coach wouldn't? But he parlayed that into about 4 mil from a&m. I'm not sure the pro's have him on their radar too much.

But if he is to leave, due to his salary and the relative prestige of a&m in the pecking order, maybe the professional ranks is where he'd go. There aren't a ton of jobs/ability to make more $ than what he's got right now.

 

[kmoose]

It's interesting to think who scUM could actually get though.

I hear Jim Tressel is available to coach.

 

[dublinirish]

This would be my left-field pick:
Jake Spavital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OC at Texas A+M, has worked under Malzahn, Dana Holgerson, Kevin Sumlin. Highly regarded Air Raid guy not really a traditional Michigan type of hire but I think he's a guy with a bright future.

 

[palinurus]

I hear Jim Tressel is available to coach.

Having shown his integrity at Ohio State, he has been elevated, by unanimous vote, to the presidency of Youngstown State University. Being Youngstown, a past history of dissembling, misrepresentation and omerta is considered a positive, even a prerequisite. It seems both college and president have found their own levels.

 

[T Town Tommy]

This would be my left-field pick:
Jake Spavital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OC at Texas A+M, has worked under Malzahn, Dana Holgerson, Kevin Sumlin. Highly regarded Air Raid guy not really a traditional Michigan type of hire but I think he's a guy with a bright future.

Don't know if UM has the cojones to hire either Kingsbury or Spavital. Both would be risky hires - but really good hires IMO. Is UM willing to take the risk? I say no.

 

[irishog77]

What's with all the Kliff love? Has he done some things in the coaching world I'm not aware of?

 

[dublinirish]

Don't know if UM has the cojones to hire either Kingsbury or Spavital. Both would be risky hires - but really good hires IMO. Is UM willing to take the risk? I say no.

Spavital would be an easier acquisition i'd guess but yeah knowing michigan they will look at schiano or some other hardass along those lines.

 

[dublinirish]

What's with all the Kliff love? Has he done some things in the coaching world I'm not aware of?

he's gorgeous

 

[BGIF]

That would be a pretty big pocketbook. UM has it... but do they really want another blowhard? I would go after a young, up and comer like Kingsbury. Gonna have to have a team that can beat OSU consistently so you build around that. Kingsbury would bring much excitement to the program and would be a heck of a lot cheaper than some of the big names being thrown around. Not an endorsement for Kliff but a coach along those lines could be a great hire long term.

Cheaper. Not necessarily so. He's got a contract through 2020. The buyout is $3.25 million. He'd be expecting a sizeable salary boost to break the contract. The expectation level soars at UM and he has to become a national recruiter.

 

[BGIF]

What's with all the Kliff love? Has he done some things in the coaching world I'm not aware of?

Yes, he's completed a season.

 

[T Town Tommy]

What's with all the Kliff love? Has he done some things in the coaching world I'm not aware of?

Maybe get the female student body to attend the games... a lot of empty seats in the big house these days.

 

[ulukinatme]

What's with all the Kliff love? Has he done some things in the coaching world I'm not aware of?

Well, he has failed miserably at every HC position he's attempted, so we can only hope he lands at Michigan so they continue to fail. Despite that fact that his non-OC positions have been failures, he kept falling upwards. In a way, he still fell somewhat upwards by landing the OC job at Alabama. Most people would have gotten a crummy coordinator job at Tulsa after failing as HC at USC...or at best a HC job at a directional school.

his wife is gorgeous

FIFY

 

[connor_in]

This would be my left-field pick:
Jake Spavital - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OC at Texas A+M, has worked under Malzahn, Dana Holgerson, Kevin Sumlin. Highly regarded Air Raid guy not really a traditional Michigan type of hire but I think he's a guy with a bright future.

do you really think that they would try to flip their scheme again to what RichRod was trying to do and what he has helped install at TAMU?

 

[kmoose]

Having shown his integrity at Ohio State, he has been elevated, by unanimous vote, to the presidency of Youngstown State University. Being Youngstown, a past history of dissembling, misrepresentation and omerta is considered a positive, even a prerequisite. It seems both college and president have found their own levels.

By all accounts, Tressel is a genuinely good guy who made a HUGE error in judgment, at Ohio State. His subsequent work, at Akron University, was performed at (as far as we know) high levels of both efficacy AND integrity. I'm not saying that he should just be forgiven or anything. I won't feel sorry for him if he never gets another coaching job. But lets not act like he was running a Miami-esque program, in Columbus. I think of Tressel in a similar vein as Hayes and Paterno; great coaches who were tremendously positive influences on countless numbers of young men, who will forever be remembered more for their flaws, than for all of the good that they did.

 

[Booslum31]

What's with all the Kliff love? Has he done some things in the coaching world I'm not aware of?

He owns a clip-board.

 

[dublinirish]

Well, he has failed miserably at every HC position he's attempted, so we can only hope he lands at Michigan so they continue to fail. Despite that fact that his non-OC positions have been failures, he kept falling upwards. In a way, he still fell somewhat upwards by landing the OC job at Alabama. Most people would have gotten a crummy coordinator job at Tulsa after failing as HC at USC...or at best a HC job at a directional school.



FIFY

Kliff not Kiff

 

[dublinirish]

do you really think that they would try to flip their scheme again to what RichRod was trying to do and what he has helped install at TAMU?

99% percent chance they just hire some old "manball" fart but if they were to make a smart hire id pick spatival in an instant.

 

[Booslum31]

Doesn't Gruden's name come up every year when elite program's need a coach?