Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[koonja]

Do you guys want to guess how many top 10 teams Brian Kelly beat at Cincinnati?

My guess is zero or 1. He's not a coach that will win big games.

 

[NDohio]

What do you mean by "a continuation of what we currently have" ?

I mean that he is the hot name that has done some good things at a mid-major school but doesn't have enough experience to handle the ND job. I would like to see the next head coach at ND have more head coach experience than two years at Houston.

I think BK's downfall is that all of the off the field pressures and requirements at ND have had an effect on his ability to coach. I am concerned that the same thing would happen to Herman because of his lack of experience in running a program and dealing with some sort of scandal.

 

[BobbyMac]

Do you guys want to guess how many top 10 teams Brian Kelly beat at Cincinnati?

0-2 against Top 10's

10-1 against Top 11-25

 

[Wingman Ray]

Tough call.

I dont see a young, up and comer making it at ND. BK, as far as he has fallen from favor, had years of HC experience. I think there is a ton of pressure at ND, much more than most schools that just say win at all cost. I dont think a young flame will last at ND.

With that said, I dont think BK is the future of ND. For whatever reason, I dont think he and his staff develops players. Yes, we can point to NFL players from ND but as a whole unit, there is a lot of unacceptable performances from highly rated players.

My list:

1) Chip Kelly - Man develops and is a winner

2) Mark Dantonio - Man wins with crap for talent. Yes a down year but after what? And the man won with guys that werent even be offered at ND

3) Gary Patterson - Brought a nothing program to a winning program against big in state colleges that hogged the recruits. Guy is a winner

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Want to know why <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay">@CollegeGameDay</a> is going to Kalamazoo? <br><br>The answer is <a href="https://twitter.com/WMU_Football">@WMU_Football</a> coach PJ Fleck! <a href="https://t.co/CG1RtQQPki">pic.twitter.com/CG1RtQQPki</a></p>— SB Nation (@SBNation) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/799632749132845057">November 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Classic Irish]

Tough call.

I dont see a young, up and comer making it at ND. BK, as far as he has fallen from favor, had years of HC experience. I think there is a ton of pressure at ND, much more than most schools that just say win at all cost. I dont think a young flame will last at ND.

With that said, I dont think BK is the future of ND. For whatever reason, I dont think he and his staff develops players. Yes, we can point to NFL players from ND but as a whole unit, there is a lot of unacceptable performances from highly rated players.

My list:

1) Chip Kelly - Man develops and is a winner

2) Mark Dantonio - Man wins with crap for talent. Yes a down year but after what? And the man won with guys that werent even be offered at ND

3) Gary Patterson - Brought a nothing program to a winning program against big in state colleges that hogged the recruits. Guy is a winner

For various reasons (ranging from NCAA baggage to age), none of those guys will coach at ND.

 

[gkIrish]

0-2 against Top 10's

10-1 against Top 11-25

More accurately, 10-1 against the top 15-25. Never beat a top 14 team.

My guess is zero or 1. He's not a coach that will win big games.

Zero. Herman has 3

By the way, Tom Herman coached teams at OSU and Houston are 11-0 as the underdog.

WHO HAVE YOU BEAT? This is what the committee looks at. They care much less about who you lose to. You don't make the playoffs by beating a few ranked teams. You make the playoffs by beating a few ELITE teams. Herman has proven he can do that. Brian Kelly can't.

 

[gkIrish]

To me, an ideal candidate for a blue blood job is someone that was a coordinator at a blue blood program and had a lot of success. The candidate then takes a head coaching job at a mid-tier school and has a lot of success. Tom Herman checks those boxes. BK only checked one and very few candidates in the country check both.

 

[PANDFAN]

More accurately, 10-1 against the top 15-25. Never beat a top 14 team.




Zero. Herman has 3

By the way, Tom Herman coached teams at OSU and Houston are 11-0 as the underdog.

WHO HAVE YOU BEAT? This is what the committee looks at. They care much less about who you lose to. You don't make the playoffs by beating a few ranked teams. You make the playoffs by beating a few ELITE teams. Herman has proven he can do that. Brian Kelly can't.

To me, an ideal candidate for a blue blood job is someone that was a coordinator at a blue blood program and had a lot of success. The candidate then takes a head coaching job at a mid-tier school and has a lot of success. Tom Herman checks those boxes. BK only checked one and very few candidates in the country check both.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Since 2015, Houston is 3-0 against Top 10 opponents. In those games, the Cougars have 29 TFLs, 19 sacks & generated 10 turnovers.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/799654804888764416">November 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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all aboard the Herman or Fleck train!!!!

 

[IrishLion]

Herman runs a nice offense, but Houston's big-game success is primarily due to their defense...

HIRE TODD ORLANDO.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Want to know why <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay">@CollegeGameDay</a> is going to Kalamazoo? <br><br>The answer is <a href="https://twitter.com/WMU_Football">@WMU_Football</a> coach PJ Fleck! <a href="https://t.co/CG1RtQQPki">pic.twitter.com/CG1RtQQPki</a></p>— SB Nation (@SBNation) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNation/status/799632749132845057">November 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I find PJ Fleck intriguing as I think a rah-rah style would work a lot better at ND than a humorless taskmaster.

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OKAY OKAY WE'LL ROW THE BOAT <a href="https://t.co/evqhnGAkvf">https://t.co/evqhnGAkvf</a></p>— College GameDay (@CollegeGameDay) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/status/799722128337674240">November 18, 2016</a></blockquote>
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[Sherm Sticky]

I'm all in on Tom Herman. He didn't lose his team after they lost two games and most likely lost shot at NY6 bowl. The team is still playing hard for him.

His team has put together 3 dominant performances against FSU, Oklahoma and Louisville.

Throw all the money and let him have as many admission exceptions at Notre Dame as he wants!


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[Irish YJ]

There's no perfect or zero risk candidate. Saban or Urbie wouldn't give us a second thought. Herman is worth a shot as is Fleck. No risk, no reward.

Playing it safe with BK for however long isn't going to get us anywhere unless he changes a lot of what he does + gets a ringer of a DC. IMHO Herman or Fleck would bring back some excitement and optimism.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

There's no perfect or zero risk candidate. Saban or Urbie wouldn't give us a second thought. Herman is worth a shot as is Fleck. No risk, no reward.

Playing it safe with BK for however long isn't going to get us anywhere unless he changes a lot of what he does + gets a ringer of a DC. IMHO Herman or Fleck would bring back some excitement and optimism.

I'm going to pass on Fleck until he proves it at a bigger level.

The AAC is a far better conference than the MAC. Plus Herman in the past two seasons has stomped FSU, Oklahoma and Louisville all while they were ranked in the top 10.


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[PerthDomer]

McIntyre. Midwestern is closer to home than Colorado he's turned 2 teams around and comes from a legit coaching tree.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

McIntyre. Midwestern is closer to home than Colorado he's turned 2 teams around and comes from a legit coaching tree.

Pass. He is not ready for Notre Dame. I'd like to see him do it a few more years at Colorado or make a step up with successful results first.


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[PerthDomer]

He's in a power five conference with a team known for being a doormat. He has better experience than fleck or herman

 

[irishtrain]

Let me add to the hot air and babble cause I shot 36 on the back nine today after a 42 on the front. Lessons on grip, ball position, and flying back elbow paid off and I'm feeling chipper. First -nice to see Kelly pop off about Saban using ex players to practice his semi pros. Kelly is a stud and great coach even though its probable that its not at Notre Dame. Second-IF Duke Navy NC State and Sparty (especially this year) are better than Notre Dame then a coaching change should be made. Third-whoever coaches this program needs to either have the admn change philosophy on who they let the coach bring in or they need to join the MAC or Ivy League-pain and very simple. I'm not saying bring in thugs but you do need 85 football players on campus to win a game instead of 85 'quote student athletes' to compete with the likes of what is going on out there. If you notice this week even S Carolina had a high grad rate and you know that they are not experiencing the college life arena that is Notre Dame. Quit playing charades and bring in the players. Fourth-this football team is soft-truer words can not be spoken, the results and demeanor on the sideline reeks of it. If Notre Dame is to climb out of this hole whoever you bring in must have football players first to dig his way out of this abyss. Like it or not in todays environment you cant competes with academics on the football field -bring in guys who can play. I'm tired of seeing a historic national treasure embarrassed like this. Do the names Rice, Zorich, Brown,Light,etc mean anything to you Notre Dame-all men today who were football players first and then Notre Dame made them quality contributing adults who did well for themselves after football. Once again they were all football players first.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

My concern with Fleck is his lack of big time experience. He's only been a position coach at OSU for what? one year? Herman was Ohio States O-coordinator for 3 years and won a Natty.

Different I know, But Herman has been in a pressure cooker (OSU) Fleck has not. Herman has the POTENTIAL to handle ND i'm not confident in Fleck.

 

[irishff1014]

My concern with Fleck is his lack of big time experience. He's only been a position coach at OSU for what? one year? Herman was Ohio States O-coordinator for 3 years and won a Natty.

Different I know, But Herman has been in a pressure cooker (OSU) Fleck has not. Herman has the POTENTIAL to handle ND i'm not confident in Fleck.

I think he would be fine with experience. We just don't need a bobby petrino bike accident incident with a female that's not his wife. Apparently that's a problem with him.

 

[irishff1014]

His interview on game day wasn't bad.

 

[SoIll]

Fleck's gonna fvck Sam Ponder during the next commercial break. Book it

 

[NDisme]

My concern with Fleck is his lack of big time experience. He's only been a position coach at OSU for what? one year? Herman was Ohio States O-coordinator for 3 years and won a Natty.

Different I know, But Herman has been in a pressure cooker (OSU) Fleck has not. Herman has the POTENTIAL to handle ND i'm not confident in Fleck.

Umm fleck was position coach at OSU, was OC for NIU when they went to the Orange Bowl. Was th wide receivers coach for the Tampa bay Bucs. The perfect example of him in recruiting and development is Corey Davis. Davis went to the high school on the other side of my town Wheaton South. Kid had 2 offers, WMU and Illinois State. Now he is one of the top receivers in the country and will be a high pick in next years draft. 2 star out of high school. Young, energetic, tireless worker never sleeps. That's what ND needs. That's the type of guy ND can get which is the most important part.

 

[stlnd01]

I don't know. Fleck seems like Mike Sanford in a couple of years. He might be a good coach for Notre Dame at some point but right now the job is bigger than he is. Let him go to Purdue for a couple of seasons first and see how he does.

We need a head coach with P5 head coaching experience - or maybe maybe a very experienced coordinator from a major program.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Umm fleck was position coach at OSU, was OC for NIU when they went to the Orange Bowl. Was th wide receivers coach for the Tampa bay Bucs. The perfect example of him in recruiting and development is Corey Davis. Davis went to the high school on the other side of my town Wheaton South. Kid had 2 offers, WMU and Illinois State. Now he is one of the top receivers in the country and will be a high pick in next years draft. 2 star out of high school. Young, energetic, tireless worker never sleeps. That's what ND needs. That's the type of guy ND can get which is the most important part.

I'm not saying he doesn't have a solid coaching background. I just don't think being the offensive coordinator and NIU is on the same plane as being offensive coordinator for OSU and winning a national title with a back up QB all while navigating through the college football playoffs.

I'd take Fleck I like his energy. I just don't think being a wide receiver's coach at the Tampa brings the same amount of pressure as OC at OSU

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

I don't know. Fleck seems like Mike Sanford in a couple of years. He might be a good coach for Notre Dame at some point but right now the job is bigger than he is. Let him go to Purdue for a couple of seasons first and see how he does.

We need a head coach with P5 head coaching experience - or maybe maybe a very experienced coordinator from a major program.

Agreed. Could he roll in and take us to playoffs year one? maybe. But I could see him being a Willngham and go south in a hurry.

 

[irishff1014]

He sure as hell has a lot of energy. It would be interesting...

 

[NDisme]

My concern with Fleck is his lack of big time experience. He's only been a position coach at OSU for what? one year? Herman was Ohio States O-coordinator for 3 years and won a Natty.

Different I know, But Herman has been in a pressure cooker (OSU) Fleck has not. Herman has the POTENTIAL to handle ND i'm not confident in Fleck.

Herman has proven himself at the college level, I like what Houston was able to do against Louisville, however not a deal breaker but Herman could figure out how to beat Navy either and if we have another coach that can't figure out how to stop Navy, I might lose my mind.

 

[BobbyMac]

Here's the easiest way to pick a new HC... by their favorite artist.

From Kenny Chesney to Bruce Springsteen, FBS coaches dish on their favorite musical act

Dan Mullen cements the top spot on my list with his Pearl Jam pick.

Interestingly BK chose Springsteen... as did his lil doppelganger, Brian Polian.