Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[TP81989]

Seeing a bunch of names being mentioned in this thread, but the worst part is that it seems like there is no chance Kelly is fired.

 

[MNIrishman]

BK isn't going anywhere this year but Charlie Strong is. I'd love to get him back in the DC chair at any price.

 

[NDgradstudent]

If BK is not going anywhere, we need to move up the food chain. Swarbrick is a corporate yes-man with no qualifications to be AD.

 

[MNIrishman]

If BK is not going anywhere, we need to move up the food chain. Swarbrick is a corporate yes-man with no qualifications to be AD.

Are you always on?

 

[NDgradstudent]

Are you always on?

Always on what? IE? After losses, I'm on IE for awhile. You know how this season has gone. So you can do the math...

 

[IrishLax]

If BK is not going anywhere, we need to move up the food chain. Swarbrick is a corporate yes-man with no qualifications to be AD.

Lol. Weird how every other sports program has excelled under him.

 

[irishfan]

Haven't seen this name anywhere, and not completely sure how I feel about him, but how about Bret Bielema? Only 46 and he's 93-48 as a coach and he's done it at schools that struggle to appeal to 5 stars. He runs an offense that many here are dying to see at ND. His personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but could be what we need. We are pretty damn soft as a team right now. He's get better talent here than he ever had at Wisconsin or Arkansas.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Lol. Weird how every other sports program has excelled under him.

First, it should be obvious that the ND AD has special obligations to football. If football is not working (and many more knowledgeable about ND football than I believe that this season has a claim on the worst in ND history, given the record of our opponents) then it doesn't matter much how well other sports are doing.

Second, it doesn't make sense to me to give Swarbrick credit for not firing Muffet McGraw, Bobby Clark, Kevin Corrigan, Jeff Jackson, etc. He simply didn't screw up programs that were strong. Who would you say his best coaching hire has been?

UPDATE: I do not count Jim McLaughlin as a Swarbrick "success" not because he isn't an elite coach -he clearly is- but because he wanted to come here. It's not like Swarbrick found him and convinced him to come. He just had to have a contract made up. That hire counts as another Swarbrick non-screw up.

 

[MNIrishman]

Always on what? IE? After losses, I'm on IE for awhile. You know how this season has gone. So you can do the math...

No, I mean your insufferable and perpetual pessimism and criticism. Is there a switch somewhere?

 

[arahop]

First, it should be obvious that the ND AD has special obligations to football. If football is not working (and many more knowledgeable about ND football than I believe that this season has a claim on the worst in ND history, given the record of our opponents) then it doesn't matter much how well other sports are doing.

Second, it doesn't make sense to me to give Swarbrick credit for not firing Muffet McGraw, Bobby Clark, Kevin Corrigan, Jeff Jackson, etc. He simply didn't screw up programs that were strong. Who would you say his best coaching hire has been?

UPDATE: I do not count Jim McLaughlin as a Swarbrick "success" not because he isn't an elite coach -he clearly is- but because he wanted to come here. It's not like Swarbrick found him and convinced him to come. He just had to have a contract made up. That hire counts as another Swarbrick non-screw up.

Got him!. Football is greater than the sum of the other sports combined

 

[stlnd01]

Haven't seen this name anywhere, and not completely sure how I feel about him, but how about Bret Bielema? Only 46 and he's 93-48 as a coach and he's done it at schools that struggle to appeal to 5 stars. He runs an offense that many here are dying to see at ND. His personality rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but could be what we need. We are pretty damn soft as a team right now. He's get better talent here than he ever had at Wisconsin or Arkansas.

If we're talking about Wisconsin coaches I'd rather have Paul Chryst.

 

[IrishLax]

First, it should be obvious that the ND AD has special obligations to football. If football is not working (and many more knowledgeable about ND football than I believe that this season has a claim on the worst in ND history, given the record of our opponents) then it doesn't matter much how well other sports are doing.

Second, it doesn't make sense to me to give Swarbrick credit for not firing Muffet McGraw, Bobby Clark, Kevin Corrigan, Jeff Jackson, etc. He simply didn't screw up programs that were strong. Who would you say his best coaching hire has been?

UPDATE: I do not count Jim McLaughlin as a Swarbrick "success" not because he isn't an elite coach -he clearly is- but because he wanted to come here. It's not like Swarbrick found him and convinced him to come. He just had to have a contract made up. That hire counts as another Swarbrick non-screw up.

That's not how that works. An AD's job is not just hiring coaches. That is maybe 10% of the job.

And with respect to retaining the right people and sustaining success he doesn't just kick back and relax and do nothing. He got basketball and hockey and soccer and lacrosse stadium improvements, some of which world class, and has done tons behind the scenes beyond that to keep good coaches here and happy. For a very recent example, when UVA came calling this summer for Kevin Corrigan they were turned down. Despite being his alma mater, a top 3 historical program, and offering more competitive pay. Why? Because the moves Jack made to improve his situation at ND and get him to stay.

So the idea that he sucks despite securing the hottest coaching candidate at the time in Kelly because Kelly hasn't delivered per fan desires (and let's be very fair, he has had some success and bright spots or he would not have made it 7 years) and we now need to move on is just insane. Literally the only thing he has done that was negligent was the recent 5 year extension for Kelly. And to be very clear, many more people than just the AD are involved in the football HC decision for Notre Dame.

 

[Junkhead]

I applaud BK for bringing ND football into the modern era. Maybe the players are young, BVG sucked, etc. But he just is NOT getting it done. With this schedule, there is no excuse to be 4-7 (and 4-8 in a week). Dantonio and Michigan State are getting stomped this year, are all the MS fans calling for him to get fired? Serious question!!! I'm just not sure when you have to just give up on a coach. Obviously, every team can't win every game, but this is ND. What would it take for ND to get their Saban, Harbaugh, or Urban????

 

[irishff1014]

Are you people really this stupid????

Urban,Saban,Harbaugh are NOT coming here. None of them want to follow the standards that the University of Notre Dame want from their head football coach.

They all are good coaches but they don't/won't put up with the academics standards.

I guess people Never watched Les me coach. He is offense sucks and his game management is bad. Not to mention he is a PR nightmare.

Bret Bielema also is a PR nightmare with class issues. The admin would not be happy with him. That's why he won't be considered.

And maybe us fans are the problem. Notre Dame is NOT a tier 1 program anymore. We won't complete with the lines of Bama, Michigan, Osu, Clemson, and other schools. This isn't the old days when ND was always on tv, that happens everywheres now. Kids don't want to work for an education they want to take the easiest path they can. The only tradition ND has is the golden dome and the everyweek on tv, as well as great academics. The last time ND won a Championship was 1988! Yeah 28 years ago. These young kids know nothing about ND winning football. So since it has been that long why do us as fans think we should be considered a tier one program?

 

[ulukinatme]

What would it take for ND to get their Saban, Harbaugh, or Urban????

I'm not sure we have or can get a Saban, Harbaugh, or Urban. A Kelly level coach is probably as close as it comes. In the beginning it looked like a home run hire. A guy on the cusp of the big leagues with a great track record. That really hasn't translated to success at ND though, aside from one really great year in 2012 and a decent year in 2015.

I think we should keep in mind that we're really close here. We were on the right path last year and we kind of lost our mojo. This year we're in every game, and it's crazy to think we're just one play away in every game from being 10-0. The fact is 4 wins is unacceptable, even in a rebuilding year. We really shouldn't be rebuilding anyway after 7 years, but recruiting has been up and down defensively. Ideally we're not breaking in so many receivers all at once either.

 

[irishtrain]

Are you people really this stupid????

Urban,Saban,Harbaugh are NOT coming here. None of them want to follow the standards that the University of Notre Dame want from their head football coach.

They all are good coaches but they don't/won't put up with the academics standards.

I guess people Never watched Les me coach. He is offense sucks and his game management is bad. Not to mention he is a PR nightmare.

Bret Bielema also is a PR nightmare with class issues. The admin would not be happy with him. That's why he won't be considered.

And maybe us fans are the problem. Notre Dame is NOT a tier 1 program anymore. We won't complete with the lines of Bama, Michigan, Osu, Clemson, and other schools. This isn't the old days when ND was always on tv, that happens everywheres now. Kids don't want to work for an education they want to take the easiest path they can. The only tradition ND has is the golden dome and the everyweek on tv, as well as great academics. The last time ND won a Championship was 1988! Yeah 28 years ago. These young kids know nothing about ND winning football. So since it has been that long why do us as fans think we should be considered a tier one program?

Excellent and well said-some of these guys couldn't coach at Notre Dame and others wouldn't want to-it grinds up coaches like a meat grinder.

 

[irishtrain]

I'm not sure we have or can get a Saban, Harbaugh, or Urban. A Kelly level coach is probably as close as it comes. In the beginning it looked like a home run hire. A guy on the cusp of the big leagues with a great track record. That really hasn't translated to success at ND though, aside from one really great year in 2012 and a decent year in 2015.

I think we should keep in mind that we're really close here. We were on the right path last year and we kind of lost our mojo. This year we're in every game, and it's crazy to think we're just one play away in every game from being 10-0. The fact is 4 wins is unacceptable, even in a rebuilding year. We really shouldn't be rebuilding anyway after 7 years, but recruiting has been up and down defensively. Ideally we're not breaking in so many receivers all at once either.

Everyone keeps missing the point the problem is not the coach, the problem is how Notre Dame tries to play it and who they have on the field. Some of these guys are so over rated simply because they are playing at Notre Dame that many of us cant see the facts. These are not good players this is a terrible football team with a bad defense. Use your eyes boys these other teams are not doing this with tricks they are just beating Notre Dame's #$%. Yeh my Notre Dame team is not as good as an average ACC team-there its been said.

 

[NorthDakota]

Are you people really this stupid????

Urban,Saban,Harbaugh are NOT coming here. None of them want to follow the standards that the University of Notre Dame want from their head football coach.

They all are good coaches but they don't/won't put up with the academics standards.

I guess people Never watched Les me coach. He is offense sucks and his game management is bad. Not to mention he is a PR nightmare.

Bret Bielema also is a PR nightmare with class issues. The admin would not be happy with him. That's why he won't be considered.

And maybe us fans are the problem. Notre Dame is NOT a tier 1 program anymore. We won't complete with the lines of Bama, Michigan, Osu, Clemson, and other schools. This isn't the old days when ND was always on tv, that happens everywheres now. Kids don't want to work for an education they want to take the easiest path they can. The only tradition ND has is the golden dome and the everyweek on tv, as well as great academics. The last time ND won a Championship was 1988! Yeah 28 years ago. These young kids know nothing about ND winning football. So since it has been that long why do us as fans think we should be considered a tier one program?

Define tier one. How many schools are in this?

Lol so Clemson makes one Natty(and loses) and suddenly they are beyond what ND is? No. Far from it. "Clemsoning" and "pulling a Clemson" is part of vernacular for a reason.

ND is still a premier program. The issue is getting a premier coach when it appears there are 2 or 3 of them and they are already at premier jobs. Saban, Meier, and maybe Harbaugh. I don't doubt for one second that ND is still a destination job. The issue currently is that the supply cannot meet demand for the blue blood schools.

Some guy will come along(whether thats Kelly or not is another discussion) who makes ND the cool place to be again. Anyone watch Bon Jovi talk about ND during his interview today? That's what ND needs to hit hard on. Going to ND is meant to be difficult, it's meant to be the high road. And when these boys finally deliver a title, it will be very sweet. ND is the hardest blue blood school to be successful at, and there will be lean years. Accept it and move on.

 

[Irish Knuckles]

mike gundy has done a heck of a job at okie lite. probably feasible to get him. probably our best realistic candidate.

bryan harsin would be money except for the whole scientology thing.

josh mcdaniels have any interest in college ball?

dan mullen has had a rough year at ms state, but he's done a great overall job there.

 

[ulukinatme]

mike gundy has done a heck of a job at okie lite. probably feasible to get him. probably our best realistic candidate.

bryan harsin would be money except for the whole scientology thing.

josh mcdaniels have any interest in college ball?

dan mullen has had a rough year at ms state, but he's done a great overall job there.

Dan Mullen would be interesting, and he's familiar with ND already.

I'd still like to see Charlie Strong come in as DC /w Kelly still here and see how that goes.

 

[Irish Knuckles]

Dan Mullen would be interesting, and he's familiar with ND already.

I'd still like to see Charlie Strong come in as DC /w Kelly still here and see how that goes.

chuckster at dc would be awesome. anxious to see who the new dc is gonna be. i doubt kelly will be fired.

i still think gundy is a homerun hire and an elite coach. what he's done at ok state is about as good as it gets. just wish he would get a haircut.

 

[irishff1014]

Any coach from the Big12 shouldn't get a look at ND. Those coaches are no interested in defense.

 

[Number3rockin]

Does swarbrick think ND isn't getting laughed at? We can't bring BK back and be looked at as a serious program that cares about football. A way to show you're serious as a football program is to put a bow on BKs buyout and show the nation that ND program won't accept mediocrity. Until then I will continue to dvr ND games because I can't watch this product live.

 

[kmoose]

Does swarbrick think ND isn't getting laughed at? We can't bring BK back and be looked at as a serious program that cares about football. A way to show you're serious as a football program is to put a bow on BKs buyout and show the nation that ND program won't accept mediocrity. Until then I will continue to dvr ND games because I can't watch this product live.

I'm betting that Swarbrick is very aware of the state of the Notre Dame brand. I'm betting that he also is not acting all emotional about the state of the football program. Notre Dame has ALWAYS cared more about being serious as an academic institution than being serious as a football program, so I doubt that is even a consideration for anyone in the Administration. Your inability to control your emotions as an (supposed) adult is also probably not a factor in what happens next.

 

[Number3rockin]

My emotional state is fine, but thank you. Go Irish

 

[Crazy Balki]

I'm betting that Swarbrick is very aware of the state of the Notre Dame brand. I'm betting that he also is not acting all emotional about the state of the football program. Notre Dame has ALWAYS cared more about being serious as an academic institution than being serious as a football program, so I doubt that is even a consideration for anyone in the Administration. Your inability to control your emotions as an (supposed) adult is also probably not a factor in what happens next.

I don't understand what that has to do with the state of the football program and Brian Kelly. ND has been and will continue to be a serious academic institution, but that doesn't mean we can't take football seriously. The state of Kelly's job security has literally zero baring on the school's academic mission. The only thing that Kelly does that is anywhere relevant to the academic side of his athletes is complying with any and all infractions as they come.

Swarbrick is the ATHLETIC director. As integral as the academic side of ND is, his responsibility is to the ATHLETIC dept of ND.

 

[Number3rockin]

So we shouldn't consider ourselves a football program because of academics? I'm saying nd can have both, we seem to be choosing not to.

 

[CoachB]

Not to offend the multitudes here at Irish Envy, because I am a huge fan of most of you. I come here to read and gain insight into the program. While I read all the time, I post less often. That being said, you can tell many of you guys are fans and not coaches or don't really understand football. For anybody to be calling for coach Kelly to be fired is completely ridiculous. This is his first sub par season he has had in seven years. He has done the best with this program since Holtz. This team really isn't so far off. They are playing with a ton of young guys, and have been very close in every game. I am excited to see what this team does next year. I would only take three coaches over Coach Kelly. However, Saban, Meyer, or Harbaugh are not coming to Notre Dame. There is not another coach who would be better roaming the sidelines. Hiring a competent DC would be nice. I would love it if Charlie Strong wanted to come coach DC, but I imagine he will be a head coach next year. Sorry for the rant, I just could not read the lunacy anymore. Coach Kelly isn't going anywhere, and if for some crazy reason he did, ND would go in the toilet bowl. Be an Irish fan, and quit buying into the hype that someone else would be doing a better job. Those three aren't walking in the door. Coach Kelly has been, and will be, fine.

 

[kmoose]

So we shouldn't consider ourselves a football program because of academics? I'm saying nd can have both, we seem to be choosing not to.

No. I never said that ND shouldn't consider itself a football program. And I think a coaching change is probably necessary.

When you say "nd can have both", I'm not sure what you mean. Because the football team just played in their 255th consecutive sellout at home, on their (unique in college football) own TV contract. They also lead the entirety of college football in academics. It would seem to me that they already have both.

 

[Number3rockin]

And im pumped that there are upgrades to the stadium and there will be a big screen. But what kind of coaching are we going to show on that big screen?
We are getting out coached, that is all. And I really do believe is starts and ends with coaching.