Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[Luckylucci]

Ironically, his experience is mainly on the other side of the ball. I really think that Mike Elko is the guy we need to zero in on and pray he's willing to come here for a massive pay raise (and not to another top school that might be looking, like Texas, etc.)

Partially why I'd like to see them get in on him early or whoever they want, for that matter.. Any idea what timeframe they are working with?

 

[dwshade]

Ironically, his experience is mainly on the other side of the ball. I really think that Mike Elko is the guy we need to zero in on and pray he's willing to come here for a massive pay raise (and not to another top school that might be looking, like Texas, etc.)

If I were Elko I'd actually be excited about having an offense to support his defense. Wake's offense has been awful in his time there putting a lot of pressure on the defense. They do a really good job of pressuring the QB and creating turnovers. And they do it mostly with two and three star recruits.

 

[dwshade]

Got it, I didn't know his background. You always hear about how good BC defense is.

That's why Harbaugh hired their DC Dom Brown last year.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Ironically, his experience is mainly on the other side of the ball. I really think that Mike Elko is the guy we need to zero in on and pray he's willing to come here for a massive pay raise (and not to another top school that might be looking, like Texas, etc.)

Would love to have Elko also, but he seems to be the hot topic defensive coordinator at this point in time.

Are there any links between Notre Dame and Elko? Or Brian Kelly and Elko? I looked up Elko's biography but didn't see anything.


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[irishff1014]

Would love to have Elko also, but he seems to be the hot topic defensive coordinator at this point in time.

Are there any links between Notre Dame and Elko? Or Brian Kelly and Elko? I looked up Elko's biography but didn't see anything.


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Show him the $$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Irish#1]

Ironically, his experience is mainly on the other side of the ball. I really think that Mike Elko is the guy we need to zero in on and pray he's willing to come here for a massive pay raise (and not to another top school that might be looking, like Texas, etc.)

I posted about Elko in BVG's thread. The guy is turning out a pretty good defensive product given he's basically working with 2 & 3 star talent. I think he could do good things if he had 4 & 5 star kids.

 

[Irish#1]

Actually a move to Purdue would be a step up. Any B1G position is looked at as being a better situation then any MAC school. With a new AD and some completed upgrades, it won't take Purdue long to move back up in the B1G with the right coach.[/

Currently Purdue(maybe a little pay bump) vs wmu football wise is pretty much a lateral move. Coaches outside of Tiller don't really win at Purdue.

I don't disagree that fleck or any other young head coach that I'd like at ND might not to have "enough" experience. But for example, people get jobs everyday that might not have experience, fake it till you make it. Les or other "top notche" coaches would ask ND for what 5-6mil a year? BK has a buyout, so pay 5-6mil a year plus BK buy out? Or take a chance on a young up and coming HC(3-4year deal) paying him 1-2mil plus BK buy out.

Just think ND needs some new energy from HC position.

No way it's a lateral move. The B1G is one the top two P5 conferences in the country. While they've been in the dumps since Tiller left, Purdue has a history of having a good football program. Now with a new AD, I think you're going to see a resurgence in the very near future. The recent failures have been more about tight purse strings than bad coaching hires, although Danny Ford was a joke.

 

[ThePiombino]

I posted about Elko in BVG's thread. The guy is turning out a pretty good defensive product given he's basically working with 2 & 3 star talent. I think he could do good things if he had <strike>4 & 5</strike> high-3, low-4 star kids.

FIFY. We're talking about ND D, bud...

 

[BobbyMac]

I posted about Elko in BVG's thread. The guy is turning out a pretty good defensive product given he's basically working with 2 & 3 star talent. I think he could do good things if he had 4 & 5 star kids.

FIFY. We're talking about ND D, bud...

That's not true as edited. You could strike the 5 obviously but there are High-4 & Solid-4's at DL, LB's and CB to go along with Low-4's and the two High-3's you are pushing.

The defensive starter's avg comp rating is .928. Based on the following scale:

.89 - .90 = Low
.91 - .95 = Solid
.96 - .97 = High

.928 is a Solid-4.

 

[Black Irish]

Would love to have Elko also, but he seems to be the hot topic defensive coordinator at this point in time.

Are there any links between Notre Dame and Elko? Or Brian Kelly and Elko? I looked up Elko's biography but didn't see anything.


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Even these days, I believe that if you're a college coach at any level, you sit up and pay attention when Notre Dame shows interest in hiring you.

 

[Dizzyphil]

Even these days, I believe that if you're a college coach at any level, you sit up and pay attention when Notre Dame shows interest in hiring you.

I would hope there are some out there that would want to be 'The One' to get the NC with the Irish.

 

[ThePiombino]

That's not true as edited. You could strike the 5 obviously but there are High-4 & Solid-4's at DL, LB's and CB to go along with Low-4's and the two High-3's you are pushing.

The defensive starter's avg comp rating is .928. Based on the following scale:

.89 - .90 = Low
.91 - .95 = Solid
.96 - .97 = High

.928 is a Solid-4.

Who are you factoring into this average. And which ranking service you using? 247 comp?

 

[BobbyMac]

Who are you factoring into this average. And which ranking service you using? 247 comp?

Just starters using 247 Comp. I didn't cherry pick.

 

[ThePiombino]

Just starters using 247 Comp. I didn't cherry pick.

Welp, not sure who you're factoring in as your starters, but based on the following, our team average on D is 0.9164:

Trumbetti 0.9347
J.Jones 0.9365
Tillery 0.9293
Rochell 0.9459
Onwuolu 0.895
Morgan 0.9727
Coney 0.896
Love 0.8711
Luke 0.9325
Studstill 0.8709
Tranquill 0.8961

Not bad, but I'm not sure I'd qualify that as SOLID 4 either. High-3 is prolly not accurate either, but I would definitely qualify this D as low-4

 

[gkIrish]

Checking in on all of you guys that said "no thanks" to Tom Herman for losing a couple games. 31-0 Houston right now.

 

[texbender]

Checking in on all of you guys that said "no thanks" to Tom Herman for losing a couple games. 31-0 Houston right now.

He's headed to UT.

 

[BGIF]

Checking in on all of you guys that said "no thanks" to Tom Herman for losing a couple games. 31-0 Houston right now.

Yes, losses to Navy 46-40 while a 16 point favorite AND a thrashing by Sagarin's #89 team, SMU 38-16 as a 23 point favorite

 

[IrishLax]

Checking in on all of you guys that said "no thanks" to Tom Herman for losing a couple games. 31-0 Houston right now.

Soooo that makes the terrible losses better?

 

[gkIrish]

If y'all are trying to find a coach that never loses he doesn't exist. Especially not with the talent at Houston.

 

[gkIrish]

I'll tell you what. If Houston blows this game (against the #5 team) I will never mention Tom Herman's name in connection with the HC job at ND again.

 

[BGIF]

If y'all are trying to find a coach that never loses he doesn't exist. Especially not with the talent at Houston.

Lax said it more succinctly than I did.

 

[gkIrish]

Lax said it more succinctly than I did.

Would you expect a team with a target on its back and very mediocre talent to win every game?

 

[BobbyMac]

Would you expect a team with a target on its back and very mediocre talent to win every game?

WHAT?! Mediocre talent? He's been there two years, he's in a HS gold mine and he can also load up on juco's since you just need a pulse to get into Houston. Why does he still have mediocre talent? Now let's use your theory of mediocre talent, why does he win the big games with mediocre talent but loses to teams with inferior talent?

So what is he gk? A bad recruiter or a bad coach dagummit?

ITALICS!

 

[greyhammer90]

I'll tell you what. If Houston blows this game (against the #5 team) I will never mention Tom Herman's name in connection with the HC job at ND again.

I've been told season end rankings are all that matters.

 

[BGIF]

Would you expect a team with a target on its back and very mediocre talent to win every game?

And just how would you describe SMU's talent if Houston's is very mediocre?

Superior IAA?

And with that talent SMU turned a 23 point disadvantage into a 22 point win, a 45 point turnaround.


Now if they were undefeated when they faced SMU, one could say they underestimated SMU but they had underestimated a 16 point dog two weeks earlier and lost by 6, a 22 point turnaround.

 

[gkIrish]

WHAT?! Mediocre talent? He's been there two years, he's in a HS gold mine and he can also load up on juco's since you just need a pulse to get into Houston. Why does he still have mediocre talent? Now let's use your theory of mediocre talent, why does he win the big games with mediocre talent but loses to teams with inferior talent?

So what is he gk? A bad recruiter or a bad coach dagummit?

ITALICS!

He's a bad recruiter and a bad coach. You nailed it.

 

[IrishLax]

Would you expect a team with a target on its back and very mediocre talent to win every game?

They don't have mediocre talent. They have elite talent relative to their competition, which he deserves some credit for. The entire problem with hiring guys like Harsin, Petersen, Herman, Fleck, etc is that they're winning with a talent edge. That's the Saban model... get better players, beat them with your better players. How many coaches can do that in P5? Can they adjust to not having a talent edge? Can they also be scheme superior like an Art Briles?

I, personally, would take one of those guys. But the losses are red flags. It's the kind of thing we crucify BK for... not consistently beating inferior opponents. Having teams without mental toughness that only get 'up' for certain games.

 

[gkIrish]

And just how would you describe SMU's talent if Houston's is very mediocre?

Superior IAA?

And with that talent SMU turned a 23 point disadvantage into a 22 point win, a 45 point turnaround.


Now if they were undefeated when they faced SMU, one could say they underestimated SMU but they had underestimated a 16 point dog two weeks earlier and lost by 6, a 22 point turnaround.

After today he is going to be 5-0 against ranked teams including THREE top ten wins. The two top 10 wins this year will be both when played and probably at the end of this year too. BK has not even sniffed a resume like that against top teams.

Has Herman lost to a couple mediocre teams? Yes. Maybe he has some trouble motivating these kids who are so dumb that they can get into Houston with just a pulse (per NDCrusader). Both losses this year were on the road. Houston has played numerous Thursday night games which I think contributes to inconsistent play as they have a very inconsistent training schedule. Bottom line he has done WAY more with WAY less than BK and most other coaches in America.

 

[Irish YJ]

Soooo that makes the terrible losses better?

@Navy was not terrible.
@SMU was.
Still a better record than ND with a lot less talent.
While ND typically hangs out in the top 15 in recruting ranking, Houston has been 35, 92, 76, and 56 the last 4 years. I think that gives them a bit more latitude compared to a school like ND and their current record....

give me Herman any day. It's a risk worth taking.

 

[BobbyMac]

He's a bad recruiter and a bad coach. You nailed it.

Don't get me wrong, I'll swap staffs tomorrow but he's let his team lose two games they shouldn't have. Same problem we've had with BK for 6 of his 7 seasons.