Who do you want to replace Brian Kelly?

[zelezo vlk]

John Harbaugh would be a killer hire. Maybe see if he can keep Sanford or hopefully poach a young OC from somewhere because he has had trouble regarding OCs in the NFL. But he's got a ring to flash to all the recruits and beat his brother (who had a much more talented team) to win that ring.

 

[tko]

I've got too much free time this morning. I think Kelly is coming back unless he is hired away, but just for grins. I'm biased towards experience, but doubt anyone comes from the NFL.

Make the call, get the no, has a sads, move on:
1. Urban Meyer - the only way he surpasses Saban as THE coach of this generation is to come home and make it rain.
2. Chris Petersen - Proven program builder, but no reason to come.

Assistants worth kicking the tires on:
1. Brent Venables - Learned from Snyder, Stoops etc. Old enough that willing to overlook lack of head coaching experience. Recruits and defenses bring the lumber.
2. Ed Warriner - Knows the program, experience with successful coaches, could immediately utilize offensive pieces.
3. Lane Kiffin - somebody has to take the chance, has learned from the best, can recruit, has experience, downsides are known.
4. Don Brown - A little old, but has head coaching experience, and his defenses are rocking. Bonus points for irritating Harbaugh.

Worth an interview, but need more seasoning:
1. Tom Herman - build something
2. Mike Sanford - be a head coach
3. PJ Fleck - make a P5 stop
4. Justin Fuente - need a couple more years at VT
5. Rhett Lashlee - potential

Head coaches that an offer they can't refuse should work:
1. Bob Stoops - time for a change of scenery, still only 56
2. Ken Niumatalolo - would probably win big....eventually
3. Bret Bielema - The Big Bluster, but I can has fullbacks? Tight ends would also be back in a big way.
4. Charlie Strong - BUY LOW = PROFIT

Coaches I'm passing on:
1. Les Miles - no thanks.
2. Gary Patterson - Year 7 = 8 - 5, Year 13 = 4 - 8, Year 2016 = Keep eating brisket.
3. Mark Dantonio - we beat him, why join him?

There's no way you typed this guy's name with a straight face. Yes, you definitely had too much time on your hands.

 

[gkIrish]

They've gone from the playoffs to likely bowl ineligible in a year. In press conferences, Dantonio's said the Spartans have been "outplayed, outoughened, and out coached". Sounds like Kelly doesn't he? Bogs would be raging with another "the coach is throwing the players under the bus" post.

No, I don't. Ara beat Notre Dame 4 in a row with less talent at Northwestern than Dantonio (BTW, there is no diacritical mark in his name). Ara then came to ND and was within 1:33 minutes of winning a national championship his first season. He was 9-0 versus Northwestern drubbing them each time. Dantonio is no Parshegian.


Once again I'll repeat for the third time this morning:




The "out coached" that I wrote and you chose to put in bold was a post game quote of Dantonio's. They were his words not mine.

As you note, "Michigan St. recruiting rankings are pathetic compared to ND" so he would not have had the talent that Kelly has , would he? But even if he did, he would still be playing a bunch of freshman in the secondary because of injuries and off field misconduct. And he would still be having a problem with his players failing to "wrap up" tackles like he does at MSU (read the Freep article, again his quote not mine).



Dantonio on Michigan State's skid: 'Outcoached, outtoughed, outplayed'

I took issue with your original comment that poked fun at those who say Kelly has been throwing his teams under the bus. Which made no sense to me because D'Antonio did the opposite of throw his players under the bus when he specifically said he was being outcoached and he deserves the brunt of the blame.

 

[BGIF]

I took issue with your original comment that poked fun at those who say Kelly has been throwing his teams under the bus. Which made no sense to me because D'Antonio did the opposite of throw his players under the bus when he specifically said he was being outcoached and he deserves the brunt of the blame.

You haven't read the articles. Like Kelly he put the blame on players, coaches, and himself.

And he still doesn't have a comma in his name nor is he a step up from Kelly.

 

[gkIrish]

You haven't read the articles. Like Kelly he put the blame on players, coaches, and himself.

And he still doesn't have a comma in his name nor is he a step up from Kelly.

I was using an apostrophe actually if we are going to go around correcting each other.

 

[IrishLax]

There's no way you typed this guy's name with a straight face. Yes, you definitely had too much time on your hands.

So here's a weird question... he's fielded a top 25 the past two years with zero star players. If you gave him a real defense and real athletes on offense... I mean, I definitely don't want him as our coach, but why hasn't another team tried it yet? Like Purdue or someone?

 

[NorthDakota]

So here's a weird question... he's fielded a top 25 the past two years with zero star players. If you gave him a real defense and real athletes on offense... I mean, I definitely don't want him as our coach, but why hasn't another team tried it yet? Like Purdue or someone?

Would Navy be top 25 if they played in a P5 though?

Hope he gets a shot somewhere....but like you...not at ND.

 

[BGIF]

I was using an apostrophe actually if we are going to go around correcting each other.

I mentioned no diacritical mark in his name in a previous post yet you persisted I was hoping "comma" would get your attention. I'm well familiar with the apostrophe, I have one in my name.

 

[Rack Em]

I mentioned no diacritical mark in his name in a previous post yet you persisted I was hoping "comma" would get your attention. I'm well familiar with the apostrophe, I have one in my name.

B'GIF

 

[Free Manera]

So here's a weird question... he's fielded a top 25 the past two years with zero star players. If you gave him a real defense and real athletes on offense... I mean, I definitely don't want him as our coach, but why hasn't another team tried it yet? Like Purdue or someone?

His guys play hard, and beat teams they shouldn't every single year. It's not a fluke anymore. However, I don't think you can win big (i.e. playoff games) running the veer, because you can't recruit big.

I think he is a great coach and could be a great coach in the P5 as long as he is willing to change to a non-veer option playbook.

 

[IrishLax]

Would Navy be top 25 if they played in a P5 though?

Hope he gets a shot somewhere....but like you...not at ND.

Good question. Last year they went 1-1 vs P5, losing to ND and beating Pitt. They also went 1-1 against teams that were ranked at the time of play. Not a hard schedule.

This year, they haven't played a single P5 team yet, but are 1-0 against ranked teams. I think it's hard to say how they'd do against a P5 schedule.

 

[PANDFAN]

So here's a weird question... he's fielded a top 25 the past two years with zero star players. If you gave him a real defense and real athletes on offense... I mean, I definitely don't want him as our coach, but why hasn't another team tried it yet? Like Purdue or someone?

if i had to guess it is likely due to running the option and MOST places have stopped using it...very hard to recruit kids for this offense when they know it LIKELY isn't going to help get them to the NFL...most kids or almost every kid at Navy doesn't think they will end up in NFL but are going to be an officer

 

[NDRock]

if i had to guess it is likely due to running the option and MOST places have stopped using it...very hard to recruit kids for this offense when they know it LIKELY isn't going to help get them to the NFL...most kids or almost every kid at Navy doesn't think they will end up in NFL but are going to be an officer

Yeah, Paul Johnson has not recruited very well at GT and has struggled the last two years on the field.

 

[IrishinSyria]

His guys play hard, and beat teams they shouldn't every single year. It's not a fluke anymore. However, I don't think you can win big (i.e. playoff games) running the veer, because you can't recruit big.

I think he is a great coach and could be a great coach in the P5 as long as he is willing to change to a non-veer option playbook.

Yeah, isn't this exactly why teams like Notre dame and Nebraska had to move away from an option oriented attack in the 90s?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I also think that even in a world where you could recruit well running the option it would play away from your strengths. Like giant 4 and 5 star olinemen aren't as useful in an offense where the goal is to cut block defenders anyway. One of the huge advantages of the system is it lets smaller guys punch above their weight.

 

[NDohio]

I've got too much free time this morning. I think Kelly is coming back unless he is hired away, but just for grins. I'm biased towards experience, but doubt anyone comes from the NFL.

Make the call, get the no, has a sads, move on:
1. Urban Meyer - the only way he surpasses Saban as THE coach of this generation is to come home and make it rain.
2. Chris Petersen - Proven program builder, but no reason to come.

Assistants worth kicking the tires on:
1. Brent Venables - Learned from Snyder, Stoops etc. Old enough that willing to overlook lack of head coaching experience. Recruits and defenses bring the lumber.
2. Ed Warriner - Knows the program, experience with successful coaches, could immediately utilize offensive pieces.
3. Lane Kiffin - somebody has to take the chance, has learned from the best, can recruit, has experience, downsides are known.
4. Don Brown - A little old, but has head coaching experience, and his defenses are rocking. Bonus points for irritating Harbaugh.

Worth an interview, but need more seasoning:
1. Tom Herman - build something
2. Mike Sanford - be a head coach
3. PJ Fleck - make a P5 stop
4. Justin Fuente - need a couple more years at VT
5. Rhett Lashlee - potential

Head coaches that an offer they can't refuse should work:
1. Bob Stoops - time for a change of scenery, still only 56
2. Ken Niumatalolo - would probably win big....eventually
3. Bret Bielema - The Big Bluster, but I can has fullbacks? Tight ends would also be back in a big way.
4. Charlie Strong - BUY LOW = PROFIT

Coaches I'm passing on:
1. Les Miles - no thanks.
2. Gary Patterson - Year 7 = 8 - 5, Year 13 = 4 - 8, Year 2016 = Keep eating brisket.
3. Mark Dantonio - we beat him, why join him?

Lane is going to be a successful head coach someday. I would love to be a fan of the school where that happens. Can you imagine the hate from opposing fans? That would be glorious...

 

[Free Manera]

Yeah, isn't this exactly why teams like Notre dame and Nebraska had to move away from an option oriented attack in the 90s?

I also think that even in a world where you could recruit well running the option it would play away from your strengths. Like giant 4 and 5 star olinemen aren't as useful in an offense where the goal is to cut block defenders anyway. One of the huge advantages of the system is it lets smaller guys punch above their weight.

Yeah I think a true dedicated veer option, reliant on cut blocks, is wrong for ND or any other team aspiring to championships. However, lots of teams run triple option or RPO now with power blocking schemes, such as Ohio State. I think Coach Ken could probably evolve if he had the opportunity.

 

[Irish#1]

Why do we even think a change will be made? F. Lee Swarbrick, Kelly's attorney, informed us on the State Television Network that everything is fine.

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Some nuggets (from about 9-12 minutes in):
"We want to win and we want to win championships, but if that's all you're measuring it [the program] on you'll get really bad reads."
Right, but surely winning plays some role in your assessment?

"You don't have any of the signs of a program in distress."
Losing to garbage teams week in and week out, weekly social media embarrassments, coaches being fired, HC blaming everyone else, ND becoming the easy win on everyone's schedule, etc., etc.? What would constitute "distress," counsel?

"Some teams...win games that maybe they shouldn't. They find a way. This team has struggled to find a way. It has been in a position to win every game."
Meaning: it is all random. This is a loser attitude. And we shouldn't be in a "position" to win games. We should be totally destroying these garbage opponents.

"My confidence in Brian is as strong today as it was when we were on our way to an undefeated season and a national championship [sic]."
If so, F. Lee Swarbrick is delusional. Also, can we stop with the 'undefeated season' B.S.? It's an embarrassment to see people wearing t-shirts that say something everyone knows to be false.

"I understand the distress our fans feel, especially in a social media world that wants instant results..."
It's year 7. Year. 7.

This circus has become a disgrace to the university, but the higher-ups are circling the wagons around Kelly. If ND is going to insult our intelligence in this way, while demanding more and more for tickets, the whole lot should be fired, starting with Swarbrick.

What do you expect him to say? BK kept giving BVG the dreaded vote of confidence up until he was terminated. Will Jack make a change? I don't know, but this is exactly what he's going to say until he decides to pull the rug out from under BK's feet.

 

[NDRock]

Lane is going to be a successful head coach someday. I would love to be a fan of the school where that happens. Can you imagine the hate from opposing fans? That would be glorious...

Lane is the Norv Turner of college football. Good OC but not a leader of other men.

 

[mgriff]

I mentioned no diacritical mark in his name in a previous post yet you persisted I was hoping "comma" would get your attention. I'm well familiar with the apostrophe, I have one in my name.

 

[kmoose]

So here's a weird question... he's fielded a top 25 the past two years with zero star players. If you gave him a real defense and real athletes on offense... I mean, I definitely don't want him as our coach, but why hasn't another team tried it yet? Like Purdue or someone?

A P5 team did try it. Paul Johnson has been only average at Georgia Tech.

 

[military_irish]

Like the old saying goes "a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush."

Only way he should be fired is if Jack has a slam dunk with another top coach.

No sense in reliving the whole Willingham hire experience.

 

[T Town Tommy]

"I'll take Coach Warriner for$200, Alex."

 

[JohnnyJasper]

Kelly is the Michigan version of Hoke.
I was never happy about the 6 year extension Kelly got.
Herman has to be on the radar although I'm not sure how likely it is. I've always been a huge Les Miles guy ... But not sure where he's headed at this point in his career. I have never been more infuriated with a coach the past two or so years with the continuous level of underperforming with such high recruiting classes. The next move has to be the right move, thats for sure. Too much talent being wasted lately with this staff.

 

[mgriff]

I'm gonna throw my hat in the ring and crowd source some coaching from you fuckers on here since collectively, we know it all.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Lane is the Norv Turner of college football. Good OC but not a leader of other men.

I strongly agree with this. Some guys are monster coordinators, but just don't have some of the skills necessary to sit behind the big desk. Lane's one of those guys. Unfortunately for him and some school, he'll probably get another HC job in the next year or two, but the Peter Principle will apply yet again to him.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Throwing this one out there to see if it sticks.

How about Charlie Weis. He can recruit. And he has probably learned his lessons from his first go around. What do you all say?


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[ThePiombino]

Kelly is the Michigan version of Hoke.
I was never happy about the 6 year extension Kelly got.
Herman has to be on the radar although I'm not sure how likely it is. I've always been a huge Les Miles guy ... But not sure where he's headed at this point in his career. I have never been more infuriated with a coach the past two or so years with the continuous level of underperforming with such high recruiting classes. The next move has to be the right move, thats for sure. Too much talent being wasted lately with this staff.

lololol stopped reading after the first line

 

[Irish#1]

Throwing this one out there to see if it sticks.

How about Charlie Weis. He can recruit. And he has probably learned his lessons from his first go around. What do you all say?


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A leopard doesn't change its spots.

 

[Irish#1]

A P5 team did try it. Paul Johnson has been only average at Georgia Tech.

Johnson's issue is personality. Hes alienated everyone around him.