Vandy Post-Game Thread

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To me, I think the issue is that we simply don't have explosive players and last year's success... when the offense was working... was about hitting home runs. It was never very good at sustaining long drives even with Nelson/McGlinchey/Adams. It used to be in the second half our OL would wear down the opposing DL, and then we'd start getting lots of chunk runs. What we did to NC State in the second half last year is a great example. Our OL is not capable of doing that this year, and we don't have a home run hitting back like Adams.

So you've got an inaccurate QB, OL play that has been inconsistent, RBs that are not complete players, WRs that are inconsistent... it all adds up to an offense that looks mediocre as hell when the play calling is predictable. We run the ball on 1st down the vast majority of the time to start a drive. We almost never throw the ball on 3rd & 2 or less. We have very predictable tendencies. And since Chip Long has been in town, a lot of the Kelly stuff I did like has disappeared.

I miss stuff like this:
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And this:
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I understand why we don't #2 anymore -- because we're bad at running WR screens and don't have anyone with Fuller's speed -- but the bigger point is we've basically completely abandoned the "Kelly" offense hallmarks at this point. We're now like every other spread, RPO, zone-read, whatever team... and that stuff only works as long as you've got a talent edge or can get into a play calling rhythm. Right now we're not really doing either.

As an experiment for the board, against Wake see if you can predict before the ball is snapped whether it's going to be a run or pass. I bet we can guess correctly 75%+ of the time based on how we line up and the down and distance. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we're quite predictable.

GOOD GOD do I miss the Sprint Draw! Watching Wood and Gray run that play was glorious. Sad part is, we haven't ran it since BEFORE Long got here. The Rocket Screen could still be used I think. Using Austin or even Finke could result in a good gain.

People were complaining about CBK's playcalling for a long time, but I think they all forgot how dynamic some of the plays he brought to the table were. Instead, everyone celebrated that we would have RPOs, power spread, etc. with Long. I think Long has been good for us, but sprinkling in some of those old plays would really open up the offense IMO.

I also think, since Long likes to use the TEs a lot, running a TE middle screen could yield yardage too.
 
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I'm more glass half empty than half full, but we have to think about the big picture here. We will win next week, making us 4-0 going into 2 back to back top 15 games before the bye week. All we need to do is win 1 of these games, and not lose the other in a Miami-esque fashion. We'll be sitting ~8th if this happens, and I think it's very reasonable to expect ND to win at least 1 of these games.

No, this will not be a perfect team even at 5-1, but I'd LOVE to be sitting at 5-1 with no more major injuries going into the BYE week with a ~30-20 loss to one top 15 team.

A few things to consider if we end up 5-1 going into the BYE week.

We'll have Dexter Williams fully back, who is unequivocally our best runner. He adds something that currently not there - a game breaker. Hainsey will be getting an extra week off to heal up whatever it is he has going on. The coaches will have an extra week to look at the OL film, and I think they showed improvement this week actually. Cole Kmet should also be back following the BYE, if not before (but I hope they hold him out until BYE).

Perhaps most importantly, the 2nd half of the schedule isn't looking quite as daunting. FSU, USC, and even Northwestern each have at least 1 embarrassing loss through only 3 games. ND is currently better than each of these teams. Syracuse actually worries me, but it's still Syracuse and we should win that game.

5-1 is not only very reasonable, but we'll have two top-15 wins at this point, 2 key offensive players coming "back" (3 if you count Hainsey's health), and a 2nd half where the best teams we'll face have shown some great vulnerabilities. Stay healthy, develop a running game with Dexter, let BW continue to get slightly better each week, and we're looking at a 10 win season IMO.

Outside of Bama, Clemson, and LSU - what team will have two top-15 wins with only 1 loss half way through? If this is how it plays out, I like where we're heading. Irish eyes should be smiling.
 

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The defense is getting tired in the second half. They will continue to get tired and the will have a bad second half and it’ll be their fault the that offense sucks in the 2nd half. 19 points after half in 3 games. That’s pathetic.

Yeah, that will happen when we gain only 111 yards or whatever pathetic number it was after the 1st Q on Saturday.

This offense needs to extend drives and give the defense a break. They can't catch their breath right now.

I'm a BIG BW supporter, I've made that pretty clear this offseason and through 3 games.

HOWEVER. If Chip Long is too scared, on a consistent basis, to call a complete offense, and is too scared to call a passing play once in a while on a 3rd and 4/5, then he needs to either grow a pair, or put in a QB who he has enough confidence in to move the chains.

This is not a knock on BW. I have never been more disappointed in our play calling than I was on Saturday. That's on BK as well. They need to right this ship on offense or we will get steamrolled when our D has a let-down game. And the amount of slack they are being asked to pick up from the O is just flat out not sustainable.

They have to be better. We could have stepped on their throats in the 1st half on Saturday if we took more chances in the red zone. It could have easily been 24-3 instead of 16-3 if we figured out how to finish a damn drive.
 

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Yeah, that will happen when we gain only 111 yards or whatever pathetic number it was after the 1st Q on Saturday.

This offense needs to extend drives and give the defense a break. They can't catch their breath right now.

I'm a BIG BW supporter, I've made that pretty clear this offseason and through 3 games.

HOWEVER. If Chip Long is too scared, on a consistent basis, to call a complete offense, and is too scared to call a passing play once in a while on a 3rd and 4/5, then he needs to either grow a pair, or put in a QB who he has enough confidence in to move the chains.

This is not a knock on BW. I have never been more disappointed in our play calling than I was on Saturday. That's on BK as well. They need to right this ship on offense or we will get steamrolled when our D has a let-down game. And the amount of slack they are being asked to pick up from the O is just flat out not sustainable.

They have to be better. We could have stepped on their throats in the 1st half on Saturday if we took more chances in the red zone. It could have easily been 24-3 instead of 16-3 if we figured out how to finish a damn drive.

I think that's exactly why I don't think the sky is falling and we should all of a sudden have a new coaching staff. We were a few offensive plays away from probably blowing out Vanderbilt. The offensive players as a whole looked better from the previous week. Just keep getting better and this season could be promising.
 

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I think that's exactly why I don't think the sky is falling and we should all of a sudden have a new coaching staff. We were a few offensive plays away from probably blowing out Vanderbilt. The offensive players as a whole looked better from the previous week. Just keep getting better and this season could be promising.

I may come across as a Pollyanna, but I feel the same way. If ND can figure out how to finish drives in the redzone with touchdowns, we are talking about how the Ball St and Vandy games were comfortable, if not blow out wins, nitpicking things we saw. Instead, settling for 3 FGs in the first half (and a missed one later) while moving the ball isn't ideal. It's an if and buts, plus a shoulda, coulda, woulda right here, but change two of those FG attempts to TDs and we look at a final 31-17 (or better since the game changes with those scores).

Get redzone offense down, start using some more creative plays (see sprint draw and rocket screen), and the wins start looking better AND the defense gets more rest.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but nothing infuriates me more than the blatant over-use of the WR screen. Not the WR middle screen, but the perimiter screen. Since BK took over, we run at least 6 a game. It's incredbily predictable at this point. I understand it can be awfully successful with dynamic playmakers on the edge, but lets be real with ourselves: Chris Finke isn't a dynamic playmaker. He's certainly a capable slot receiver and usually very dependable (except for the past two games), but he's not the type of speed/agility threat that makes this play work. Neither is Michael Young. He certainly possesses moe of that skill set than Finke, but saying he's a dynamic athletic threat is an insult to players that actually are. I think we recruited a player like Lenzy to grow into that role in the future (because the offensive roster clearly misses speed that Fuller and Stepherson brought) but he isn't ready to fill it yet. Until we can get that figured out, this play is about as useful as an HB dive against a loaded box.

Side note: big BW supporter but watching his throwing motion on these screens is comical. You can tell he's struggled so much with these throws that he actually developed a completely different throwing motion for these screens and it is UGLY. He's throwing them in an underhand / sidearm way. At least the ball is getting to the receiver (still a ton of room for improvement on the location of said ball) so I guess stick with what works
 

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Maybe it's just me, but nothing infuriates me more than the blatant over-use of the WR screen. Not the WR middle screen, but the perimiter screen. Since BK took over, we run at least 6 a game. It's incredbily predictable at this point. I understand it can be awfully successful with dynamic playmakers on the edge, but lets be real with ourselves: Chris Finke isn't a dynamic playmaker. He's certainly a capable slot receiver and usually very dependable (except for the past two games), but he's not the type of speed/agility threat that makes this play work. Neither is Michael Young. He certainly possesses moe of that skill set than Finke, but saying he's a dynamic athletic threat is an insult to players that actually are. I think we recruited a player like Lenzy to grow into that role in the future (because the offensive roster clearly misses speed that Fuller and Stepherson brought) but he isn't ready to fill it yet. Until we can get that figured out, this play is about as useful as an HB dive against a loaded box.

Side note: big BW supporter but watching his throwing motion on these screens is comical. You can tell he's struggled so much with these throws that he actually developed a completely different throwing motion for these screens and it is UGLY. He's throwing them in an underhand / sidearm way. At least the ball is getting to the receiver (still a ton of room for improvement on the location of said ball) so I guess stick with what works

It's a rather slow-developing play too. I'm not sure if it's just me, but I swear I have time to get off the couch, get a beer from the fridge, and sit back down before the ball gets to the receiver. Teams are going to start jumping that route (so pump fake the throw to Finke, while Claypool releases his block and runs a delayed go route...) and taking it back for 6.

My guess is that Kelly and Long don't trust Wimbush to make short/intermediate throws yet so they're trying to get him comfortable with them by calling plays with a lower interception chance.
 

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It's a rather slow-developing play too. I'm not sure if it's just me, but I swear I have time to get off the couch, get a beer from the fridge, and sit back down before the ball gets to the receiver. Teams are going to start jumping that route (so pump fake the throw to Finke, while Claypool releases his block and runs a delayed go route...) and taking it back for 6.

My guess is that Kelly and Long don't trust Wimbush to make short/intermediate throws yet so they're trying to get him comfortable with them by calling plays with a lower interception chance.

Chris Finke had 5 receptions for 6 yards. Let that sink in.
 

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(so pump fake the throw to Finke, while Claypool releases his block and runs a delayed go route...) and taking it back for 6.

Completely agree. That was one of Charlie Weis's most successful plays and we certainly have the personnel / run the actual screen enough for the play to be a success.
 

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We focus so much on the offense, that we lose focus that ND will win this year with defense. It's frustrating to no end, for sure. But the strength of this team is defense and ND cannot, and should not, take offensive risks to try and elevate scoring into the 30's. My biggest concern is if ND has to score 35 against a good defense....can they? I'm not so sure.

All I want versus Wake is to try and figure out what ND's offense can hang their hat on. When all else fails and you need a first down, we know we can do XXXX. At this point, they clearly don't have that and until they do, we are going to sputter.
 

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All I want versus Wake is to try and figure out what ND's offense can hang their hat on. When all else fails and you need a first down, we know we can do XXXX. At this point, they clearly don't have that and until they do, we are going to sputter.

I think we have a clear answer: let BW use his legs. I still think hes being handicapped a bit by the coaching staff to work on his weaknesses (the passing game, recognizing coverages / blitzes pre-snap, adjusting protections) but now that our "practice" games are behind us, I'd imagine we'll see that fully on display at Wake. But you're right, we need to find some identity and help our defense stay off the field. The depth on the D scares me and having them play 80-90 snaps a game because our offense can't sustain drives is a real issue
 

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Maybe it's just me, but nothing infuriates me more than the blatant over-use of the WR screen. Not the WR middle screen, but the perimiter screen. Since BK took over, we run at least 6 a game. It's incredbily predictable at this point. I understand it can be awfully successful with dynamic playmakers on the edge, but lets be real with ourselves: Chris Finke isn't a dynamic playmaker. He's certainly a capable slot receiver and usually very dependable (except for the past two games), but he's not the type of speed/agility threat that makes this play work. Neither is Michael Young. He certainly possesses moe of that skill set than Finke, but saying he's a dynamic athletic threat is an insult to players that actually are. I think we recruited a player like Lenzy to grow into that role in the future (because the offensive roster clearly misses speed that Fuller and Stepherson brought) but he isn't ready to fill it yet. Until we can get that figured out, this play is about as useful as an HB dive against a loaded box.

I remember games in 2010 and 2011 when it felt like our entire offense consisted of throwing a perimeter screen to Michael Floyd and watching him rampage down the field mauling tiny corners.
Chris Finke is not Michael Floyd.
 

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I miss this play sooooo much. This play was the sole reason we beat USC in 2010 for the first time in 9 years. On the final drive we ran it twice, once to Hughes, once to Wood, each time for massive gains.

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Same. They would run it 1-2 times a game here and there and it always seemed to work pretty well. I don't know why BK hasn't added that to Chips book.
 
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Same. They would run it 1-2 times a game her and there and it always seemed to work pretty well. I don't know why BK hasn't added that to Chips book.

Well teams caught onto it and eventually it was shut down for a few yard loss every time we ran it. Sure its been a while since we pulled it out, but people were complaining up and down every. single. time. (almost) we called that play.
 

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Well teams caught onto it and eventually it was shut down for a few yard loss every time we ran it. Sure its been a while since we pulled it out, but people were complaining up and down every. single. time. (almost) we called that play.

I mean from 2010 to to 2015 we ran it with an incredible success rate. You can only use it a handful of times in a season before it loses its "surprise, mother f*ckers!" card. It's not a bread and butter play you run 3-4 times a game. I blacked out in 2016, so I don't even remember if it sucked then and maybe that's what you're referring to.

But bottom line is its not a part of the Chip Long playbook. Which was basically my main point... we aren't running a Kelly offense anymore, for good or for worse. We're running some shitty version of the Norvell offense minus the explosive passing game and points & plus predictable tendencies. Not really a recipe for success, rather it's a recipe to get shut down in the second half once the opponent goes "Oh ok, I understand the game plan."
 

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Here's the post-Vandy Rake's Report:

1) This was the game where it seemed like we would learn a lot, right? Week One was an emotional grudge match against a team that might be the best on Notre Dame’s schedule but it was Week One, so it’s tough to extrapolate too much. Week Two was a complete and total letdown game against the likely worst opponent the Irish will face but still a win. Week Three was a home game against a solid Vanderbilt team and for a while it looked like Notre Dame had things figured out (16-3 lead at the half), but they failed to finish some drives, the Commodores’ quarterback made some nice throws and it got far too interesting. But it was interesting in a win, which is far better than any kind of loss. The Irish are 3-0 and have led for just under 96 percent of time played this season, never trailing. It’s a flawed, stressful 3-0, but it’s 3-0 and there are dozens of teams across the country who would love to trade spots with us right now. It’s on the Irish to build off this start and not let it go to waste.

How much more do we know about this team than we did in August? Well, we know they’re capable of coming out of the gates strong, as they’ve outscored opponents 31-3 in the first quarter. We know that the defense is at least good and has playmakers at all three levels, but we don’t quite know if it’s great (or how long it can maintain if the front seven spends so much time out on the field). We know the offense is very much a work in progress, and while I feel a little better about it this week than I did after Ball State that is clearing a half-buried bar. We know Notre Dame might have already played its toughest game and that the November slate that had us all worried is slightly less formidable than it seemed in the preseason but that teams are not static and those opponents could look better by the time the air chills. And again, we know that Notre Dame is 3-0, those wins locked in the bank even if they weren’t beauties. In an ideal world you want to know more about your team at this point than we do, but this world is certainly not that. If you’re going to figure yourself out, do it while consistently scoring a few more points than your opponents.

2) Let’s do something we almost never do and start with the special teams. Justin Yoon missed a stress-inducer late but was 3 for 3 before that, Michael Young had a really nice return and Jonathan Doerer had his best game of the season by a country mile on kickoffs but we must focus on The Captain. Tyler Newsome broke his own program record for average punt yardage in a game (59.6!) and closed things out by booming a 63-yard tactical missile and pinning Vanderbilt back deep in their own territory. It’s very easy for things to go wrong on last-second, high-pressure punts — just click this, you already know what it is — and Newsome was masterful in a clutch spot, with a bonus for a clean snap. Great work all around.

3) So many key plays in the goal line area. There was Notre Dame failing to a convert a 1st and goal from the two on the opening drive after a pass interference in the endzone, four points that would have been somewhat useful for our hearts later in the game. Then you had the absurd Alohi Gilman strip (Big! Play! Safeties!) and fumble recovery at the goal line. Then you had Troy Pride making a pick in the endzone (Great!) and then returning it to the two* (Bad!) which led to Notre Dame going very conservative (Questionable!) before punting it away and immediately giving up a touchdown when Vandy had good field position (Very bad!). Just a lot of big swings happening in the south end zone.

* In Pride’s defense, he is extremely fast and there was likely plenty of green ahead of him if he didn’t get dragged down out of the blocks. It was a bad decision but I like corners with the confidence to think, “Why couldn’t I return this 104 yards?” It is much easier to rationalize things after wins.

4) Defense did its job, holding a third consecutive opponent under 20 points. They were sterling early, forcing three-and-outs on the second, third and fourth drives of the game followed by the circus forced fumble on the fifth. At that point the offense should have built a larger lead but they had not. (The defense also was hurt by Notre Dame’s offense holding the ball for less than five minutes in the third quarter.) Credit to Vanderbilt and Kyle Shurmur for adjusting and getting rid of the ball more quickly so the Notre Dame pass rush didn’t have time to wreck him like they did early in the game (it also helped the Commodores that the refs allowed them to hold the Irish line on nearly every snap*) and credit to the Irish secondary for making just enough plays to stave off a nightmare at the end. So far this season we’ve seen an offense mostly incapable of making the big play they need in the second half and a defense that has been pretty solid at making the big play when it’s necessary. Let's hope the former trend reverses while the latter stays strong.

* Is the fact so many holds have gone uncalled mean the defensive line is really good? Holds always go uncalled but it seems like an absurd amount so far this season. There was one play late on Saturday where two separate Vandy linemen were hugging Julian Okwara. Hopefully they can maintain this level of activity the whole season because it's fun to watch.

It’s not like we don’t appreciate Julian Love but we really need to appreciate Julian Love. On Saturday he added four more pass break-ups to his incredible tally since the start of last season and recovered two fumbles, one in the end zone and one to close the game. With Love doing so well Shurmur started going after Pride, who kicked in three break-ups and the end zone pick plus bonus ill-advised return. Jerry Tillery had a forced fumble on Shurmur that the Irish couldn’t quite recover which would have been a nice bonus and further momentum early. Houston Griffith played a bunch on Saturday and was maybe a step slow reacting to stuff but nothing terrible for a third career game, wrapping up three solo tackles and an assist.

5) I’ve seen a few people say Brandon Wimbush was awful this game, which I don’t understand. He completed 56.5% of his passes and would have cracked 60 if not for a couple drops. He also ran for 84 yards and a really cool touchdown on 3rd and 10 with no turnovers, which is a solid if unspectacular effort. I am confused by playcalling and some personnel stuff but Wimbush is right about where we need him to be to be a really good football team. Also he did all this with his favorite target, Miles Boykin, taken out of the game by a really good corner who our friends at Notre Dame Our Blogger profiled last week. The offense gets very conservative at times, but we’re also a red zone conversion here or a third down there from putting these games away comfortably. (The Irish started the game four-for-five on third down conversions and got just one of the next ten after that. Not good.)

Now that offensive line and running backs had their best effort of the season (5.9 yards per carry for Tony Jones and Jafar Armstrong, zero sacks allowed, plus another 56 yards receiving by Jones in the finest game of his career) we’ve seen the potential for every part of this team to be good, and with Dexter Williams one more game away the running game is going to receive a shot in the arm come September 29. However, we’ve also seen the potential for each part of this offense to struggle, sometimes all of them at the same time. Will it click in a good way? Perhaps in a bad way? Stay tuned!

6) I am genuinely flummoxed by the use of Ian Book so far this season. Against Michigan, it seemed like he came in for touchdown plays after Wimbush took big hits but I guess that was the plan the entire time. Was Wimbush really bad at taking snaps under center in practice? You would think that considering Notre Dame’s red zone success last year and how much of that was due to Wimbush’s legs they would roll with it, but Kelly said Sunday they’re planning on using Book from five yards and in, which I still don’t really understand. I am fine with Book packages but I’d prefer him just get an entire series versus the “One play for you, one play for me” plan. This is the kind of thing you can tolerate in wins but if the wins stop it’s going to become the first thing pinned on the coaching staff.

7) Winning Is Hard/Schadenfreude Round Up: This is going to be a long one because Saturday was an absolute bloodbath. Within an hour of Notre Dame winning a close one, Wisconsin lost at home to BYU. The Cougars have played some solid football this year (winning at Arizona, losing at home to an okay Cal team) but they were 24-point underdogs playing at the No. 6 team in the country. A few minutes after that, Auburn blew a fourth quarter lead and lost to LSU at home as a 9.5-point favorite. LSU is good — any team that defeated them in this calendar year would have accomplished an impressive feat — but still, that one stings. USC was winning 14-3 after the first quarter in Austin and gave up the next 34 points, so they’re now 1-2 and our friends in Los Angeles are starting to sharpen the pitchforks for Clay Helton, a guy who's yet to lose a home game as Trojan head coach. Oh, and Southern Cal finished with negative-five yards rushing.

Florida State got absolutely destroyed by Syracuse’s back-up quarterback and they’re looking at 6-6 as a probable best-case scenario, so blame this on Willie Taggart or blame it on Jimbo Fisher but it’s not good. Arkansas lost at home to North Texas by 27. Nebraska lost at home to Troy and Scott Frost starts his career 0-2, the first time the Huskers have had that record since 1957. Now you might say “It’s his first year, this will happen” but Notre Dame fans are adamant that first-year losses stain a soul forever so it’s tough for Frost. (Also, if you get bored, take a look at Nebraska’s schedule. This could get really ugly in year one.) Maryland lost to Temple 35-14 at home, which seems bad as Temple had already lost to Villanova and Buffalo this season. UCLA is 0-3 for the first time since 1971. Herm and the Sun Devils lost at San Diego State. Rutgers got blown out by Kansas. Rock Chalk, baby, that’s a win streak!

Some lighter stuff: Clemson and Georgia Southern were tied at zero into the second quarter and Stanford trailed UC-Davis 3-0 for a bit. This is fine because sometimes it takes a while to get cooking but if Notre Dame was in either of those situations it would be the end of the world even if they ended up winning easily as the Tigers and Cardinal did. Some corrective stuff: Last week we forgot to mention that Purdue lost to Eastern Michigan at home and dropped to 0-2. Well, Saturday night they lost to Missouri at home and are now 0-3 in what was supposed to be a year of building under Jeff Brohm after last year’s pleasantly surprising 7-6. Brohm is most likely a very good coach but, well, you know.

And our grand finale: Back in 1894, John Heisman led Buchtel College to an undefeated 1-0 season, their lone victory a 12-6 win in Columbus over Ohio State. Buchtel College eventually became the University of Akron and Ohio State eventually joined the Big Ten and that was the last time Akron had defeated a Big Ten team until Saturday night. Northwestern was a 21-point favorite and led 21-3 at the half, but the Zips scored three (3) defensive touchdowns in the second half to take the lead. The end of this game was absolutely absurd, as Akron’s clock management — which involved running backwards instead of trying to get the first down and throwing the ball away on fourth instead of punting it — left Northwestern two seconds and the ball at the Zips’ 30. The pass (is it a Hail Mary if it’s from the 30?) fell short and the Wildcats lost. Northwestern is now 1-2, with their sole win over…Jeff Brohn and Purdue. Consistency.

8) If you’re wondering why your heart has been in your throat during Notre Dame games since November, our friend Brian Fremeau pointed out on Twitter following the game Saturday that these are the scores of the Irish’s last five victories:

24-17

21-17

24-17

24-16

22-17

That’s a lot of gently rocking back and forth, quietly hoping Death breezes past your door. I will also point out here that despite these theatrics the Irish are 13-3 since the start of 2017, which is rather good.

That said, if Notre Dame keeps playing one-score games, they’re going to lose some. (I mean, odds are they’re going to lose some anyway considering the program has had two undefeated regular seasons since the 1973 title.) Nobody wins all their close games and if the Irish keep playing with fire they’re almost certainly going to get burnt, but each game has been on the cusp of a blowout for the good guys that never quite takes. This gives me hope that comfortable wins are maybe possible, but if this team goes into an offensive shell or has a couple tough series in a row on defense against the wrong team at the wrong time, it’s going to get ugly. (My mind is specifically on the Stanford/Blacksburg stretch here.) But it might not get ugly? I wish we knew more about the team than we do now but I’ll take a mysterious and frustrating 3-0 over any kind of 2-1 or 1-2 every single day of the week. Might the wheels come off? Oh yeah, for sure. Have they yet? Nope, and that matters, as we see program after program go careening off the road through the first three weeks of the season.

9) Wake Forest is going to be an interesting test. They’re a dang solid team with a good offense, and a noon start in their tiny stadium (capacity: 31,500) is going to make for a weird environment. If the Irish can get past the Demon Deacons, they will get to what are looking like their two biggest remaining tests of the season in consecutive weeks. With the second half of the schedule looking far weaker today than it did pre-Labor Day, the Irish have a chance to put together a rather gaudy record if they get to the bye week at 6-1 or better. It’s going to be very tough to hit that mark if they lose in Winston-Salem so I would suggest, uh, not doing that.

But we are already a quarter of the way through this fleeting season and whether you're embracing the thrill ride and savoring the victories or living in fear of the impending doom the games are going to keep on rolling along either way. Hop on this somewhat rickety train and let's see where it takes us. Go Irish, Beat Demon Deacons - it would be silly not to.
 

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Some things to consider:

Vanderbilt gave up 75 rushing yards per game and 2.46 yards per carry coming into South Bend. ND ran for 246 total yards and 5.1 YPC.

My other thought about play calling. It's frustrating as a fan to watch, but I know coaching staffs call plays not just for the current opponent but also for future opponents. They know that there is tape out to review. Remember Boise State's State of Liberty play against Oklahoma? It was run out of the exact same formation they ran on a 2 point conversion earlier in the season that led to a wide receiver screen to the right. Boise knew Oklahoma would scout it and recognize it.

At least that's what I choose to think about the play calling right now. Stanford is the game when we see how the play calling differs - we will probably see more of the same against Wake Forest that we have been the 2.5 games.
 

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Maybe it's just me, but nothing infuriates me more than the blatant over-use of the WR screen. Not the WR middle screen, but the perimiter screen. Since BK took over, we run at least 6 a game. It's incredbily predictable at this point. I understand it can be awfully successful with dynamic playmakers on the edge, but lets be real with ourselves: Chris Finke isn't a dynamic playmaker. He's certainly a capable slot receiver and usually very dependable (except for the past two games), but he's not the type of speed/agility threat that makes this play work. Neither is Michael Young. He certainly possesses moe of that skill set than Finke, but saying he's a dynamic athletic threat is an insult to players that actually are. I think we recruited a player like Lenzy to grow into that role in the future (because the offensive roster clearly misses speed that Fuller and Stepherson brought) but he isn't ready to fill it yet. Until we can get that figured out, this play is about as useful as an HB dive against a loaded box.

Side note: big BW supporter but watching his throwing motion on these screens is comical. You can tell he's struggled so much with these throws that he actually developed a completely different throwing motion for these screens and it is UGLY. He's throwing them in an underhand / sidearm way. At least the ball is getting to the receiver (still a ton of room for improvement on the location of said ball) so I guess stick with what works

I believe the screens are basic RPO plays. These RPO plays are supposed to happen by virtue of a QB reading the defense. It seems that the plays are unsuccessful because they aren't being read correctly by Wimbush. Sampson pointed that out in one of his post game article, can't remember if it was Ball St. or Michigan.
 

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I mean from 2010 to to 2015 we ran it with an incredible success rate. You can only use it a handful of times in a season before it loses its "surprise, mother f*ckers!" card. It's not a bread and butter play you run 3-4 times a game. I blacked out in 2016, so I don't even remember if it sucked then and maybe that's what you're referring to.

Epic lol rate in this paragraph... reps
 

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Good lord y'all are a miserable bunch.

A lot of improvements this week. Pleased with most individual players' performances. Would love to see a more determined attitude from our offense to make more big time blocks, catches, plays, etc.

Playcalling has to continue to improve.

Oh, and feed TJ the ball. I like what Jafar can bring to the table, but TJ should be getting 15+ or 20+ carries a game. You have to establish a run game and he is the kind of back that can help do that.

All doom and gloom here Beau.

Beau been saying since week one Tony Jones Jr needs to run the ball 20 times per game. Just keep pounding the big fella. He won't break 70 yard Josh Adamd runs, but he will get you a few 15 to 20 yard runs a game. Then bring in Jafar to give Jones Jr a rest and Jafar has the speed to pop one.
 

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Here's the post-Vandy Rake's Report:

Thanks for sharing. The biggest takeaway for me is that the offense since the Meldown in Miami has been pretty bad. I’m starting to think it might be time to move on from Long. His offense is definitely trending in the wrong direction. I believe it was Lax that pointed out that this is looking more and more like a Vangorder type situation.
 

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I miss this play sooooo much. This play was the sole reason we beat USC in 2010 for the first time in 9 years. On the final drive we ran it twice, once to Hughes, once to Wood, each time for massive gains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvkZZeYHqOY

It's worth watching that clip just to watch the body language of the USC players. They knew they were going to lose.
 

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I will take 3-0 and be cautiously optimistic. One thing I would like to see change going forward is the amount of time it takes for the plays on offense to develop. They are as slow as my late 95 year old grandma was. A disciplined front seven is going to make the Irish pay if they don't work on this.
 

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It's worth watching that clip just to watch the body language of the USC players. They knew they were going to lose.

That was one of the biggest ND win celebrations my house has ever seen... my wife literally cried.
 

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Thanks for sharing. The biggest takeaway for me is that the offense since the Meldown in Miami has been pretty bad. I’m starting to think it might be time to move on from Long. His offense is definitely trending in the wrong direction. I believe it was Lax that pointed out that this is looking more and more like a Vangorder type situation.

Would be par for the course to finally free ourselves of Uncle Rico and turn the defense around with a couple of solid DC hires, only for the offense to fail with a similarly sketchy hire.
 
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