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If they are getting their info from the staff then I am sure they are hearing the same thing. JuJu is telling them all the right things.
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If they are getting their info from the staff then I am sure they are hearing the same thing. JuJu is telling them all the right things.
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IM fills more of a need but I think Quick is the better player. Plus I have my concerns about IM being on the team long term so I would say Quick.
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That would be an excellent finish and an impressive showing by the staff given how little time we had to recover from the Dickerson flip. If JuJu joins them, slam dunk by Kelly & Co.
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Yeah, I keep trying to answer this myself, and I literally change my mind every time. I would gladly take either one and be extremely happy with it. IM looked great at RB too, and I think BK could really move him around from backfield to slot.
But Quick is just filthy. Look at his plays at ~ 2:02 and 3:35:
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Your post #511 shows Jay Hays, which is why I know you are a genius deep down about football, Kuehnja. Hays is locked and cocked. He is already huge, and freakishly fast, a la Stephon Tuitt. He contends with running backs and wide receivers for loose fumbles! He is disruptive as hell, with those hands and long arms. Tuitt had it. Jones may even have it more. He has something on every play that I have not seen out of a ND d-lineman. He has a bad attitude. He seriously plays to mess up some shiit, every play to the whistle.
When it comes forward to talk about other players, this kind of flexibility, and more ready to play ability is a luxury for a coaching staff. Now on the d-line the staff can go with a PM, and end up with more upside long term.
When talking about skill, speed players, I believe that does the same thing. Quick, Smith, then Alexander, all bring more size and can do more for the team. Returns as well as primary O or D position. All would be great on special teams in multiple positions. How do you say no to any of the guys showing the program love right now?
I think a lot is BVG having a positive impact, too!
When it comes forward to talk about other players, this kind of flexibility, and more ready to play ability is a luxury for a coaching staff. Now on the d-line the staff can go with a PM, and end up with more upside long term.
When talking about skill, speed players, I believe that does the same thing. Quick, Smith, then Alexander, all bring more size and can do more for the team. Returns as well as primary O or D position. All would be great on special teams in multiple positions. How do you say no to any of the guys showing the program love right now?
I think a lot is BVG having a positive impact, too!
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He's as fast as Tuitt pre-Longo, and faster than Tuitt post-Longo.
In all seriousness, yes, he moves freakishly well for a guy that size. If he was a 5-star, I would not call him overrated, no matter where he signed.
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If it's for 1 game, or 1, possibly 2, seasons, I'd rather have IM.
Over the course of 3, 4 seasons, I think I'd rather have MQ.
This class (and team) lacks a true game breaker (maybe Tori Hunter Jr.?), so I'd be ecstatic if ND got IM or MQ. And while I think this class is good, I don't see difference makers on either side of the ball (Nyles Morgan?), at least not for 2 or 3 years (Williams, Trumbetti, Blakenship, Nelson?). I think MQ and IM could be difference makers the moment they set foot on campus.
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Have you seen Jay Hayes and Trumbetti film? I mean, they're not going to be freshman all-Americans because DL takes size which you don't just come in with, but I wouldn't be shocked if either one grew into that type of player by Jr. year.
And Kollin Hill is going to be a bitch to deal with IMO. Not to mention, Yeargin is a Mario Williams protege!
IrishPat, if you're reading this (and I hope you are), nothing but love but I had to add the joke. #FreePat
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I really think Brent is going to wow people. He was so much faster at The Opening than people were expecting, and is just one hell of an athlete. That's the only "difference maker" I see on offense. I don't know if Weishar counts as a "difference maker" but if he bulks up he's also going to dominate as a TE. He's a freak.
On D, I LOVE our recruiting class minus the gaping hole at DT. I think about half the players are vastly underrated. I love Trumbetti, Blankenship, Williams, Hill relative to their rankings. I think it's a Stanford-esque class of guys with ability + the right demeanor.
On the whole, I love how this class compliments '13. Two year haul at WR is going to be absolute boss if we land Quick. The two year haul at RB is great, as much as I'd like to have Hood or Starks. I think Hood is going to destroy CFB. The two year haul on the OL could be absurdly good. We got two good QBs. Our TE haul of Heurman, Smythe, Weishar, Luatua... oh em gee. On defense, I'm not a huge fan of how we've recruited the DL. That's a question mark. Our linebackaer haul of the past two years is ridiculous. 4-3 with Smith + Morgan + Hill/Randolph/Yeargin/etc. as a SAM? Game over. In the secondary, there is a lot to like of our CBs + Redfield. Devin Butler is much better than I thought he would be. He's big and sticky.
Anyways, I agree with you that the team does lack gamebreakers. There is no true world-beater 5
#1 draft pick style talent. But I think it's setting up to have a nasty defense and an explosive spread offense... because in the spread you don't need a Calvin Johnson or Adrian Peterson true "I'm better than you" skill players.
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in fairness to dickerson he gave the coaches a good month or so to find his replacement in the class.
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That is great news! Did someone else say they might be headed down?
I really think Brent is going to wow people. He was so much faster at The Opening than people were expecting, and is just one hell of an athlete. That's the only "difference maker" I see on offense. I don't know if Weishar counts as a "difference maker" but if he bulks up he's also going to dominate as a TE. He's a freak.
On D, I LOVE our recruiting class minus the gaping hole at DT. I think about half the players are vastly underrated. I love Trumbetti, Blankenship, Williams, Hill relative to their rankings. I think it's a Stanford-esque class of guys with ability + the right demeanor.
On the whole, I love how this class compliments '13. Two year haul at WR is going to be absolute boss if we land Quick. The two year haul at RB is great, as much as I'd like to have Hood or Starks. I think Hood is going to destroy CFB. The two year haul on the OL could be absurdly good. We got two good QBs. Our TE haul of Heurman, Smythe, Weishar, Luatua... oh em gee. On defense, I'm not a huge fan of how we've recruited the DL. That's a question mark. Our linebackaer haul of the past two years is ridiculous. 4-3 with Smith + Morgan + Hill/Randolph/Yeargin/etc. as a SAM? Game over. In the secondary, there is a lot to like of our CBs + Redfield. Devin Butler is much better than I thought he would be. He's big and sticky.
Anyways, I agree with you that the team does lack gamebreakers. There is no true world-beater 5
Couldn't agree more with your 2nd paragraph. Although I do think the DT position will be taken care of. But the defensive recruits you speak of all play the game with passion, intensity and a high motor. Being in Georgia I'm very familiar with BVG and I know he loves coaching these types of kids. Very much like former Georgia DE David Pollack who was a 3 star coming out of HS. Played for BVG and became SEC's all time sacks leader.
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Glad he's coming. And it makes sense ... I bet he is anxious to meet LaFleur.
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I really think Brent is going to wow people. He was so much faster at The Opening than people were expecting, and is just one hell of an athlete. That's the only "difference maker" I see on offense. I don't know if Weishar counts as a "difference maker" but if he bulks up he's also going to dominate as a TE. He's a freak.
On D, I LOVE our recruiting class minus the gaping hole at DT. I think about half the players are vastly underrated. I love Trumbetti, Blankenship, Williams, Hill relative to their rankings. I think it's a Stanford-esque class of guys with ability + the right demeanor.
On the whole, I love how this class compliments '13. Two year haul at WR is going to be absolute boss if we land Quick. The two year haul at RB is great, as much as I'd like to have Hood or Starks. I think Hood is going to destroy CFB. The two year haul on the OL could be absurdly good. We got two good QBs. Our TE haul of Heurman, Smythe, Weishar, Luatua... oh em gee. On defense, I'm not a huge fan of how we've recruited the DL. That's a question mark. Our linebackaer haul of the past two years is ridiculous. 4-3 with Smith + Morgan + Hill/Randolph/Yeargin/etc. as a SAM? Game over. In the secondary, there is a lot to like of our CBs + Redfield. Devin Butler is much better than I thought he would be. He's big and sticky.
Anyways, I agree with you that the team does lack gamebreakers. There is no true world-beater 5
I went to one of his games this past year. He really is an amazing athlete. He was all over the field. I recall on one kick return, his teammate fumbled the ball. Brent picked it up and before I even realized what happened, he was in the endzone for the TD. The fact that he's already enrolled makes him that much better. I expect him to definitely contribute this year.
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just sumthin about the kid...i see huge things from IM in an ND uniform...my head says MQ>IM.. but my heart/gut keeps saying to me if i had to pick it would be IM>MQ.
heres to getting both, and then theres no debate
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I'm with gkIrish and Lax. Slightly lower explosiveness is a good trade for increased versatility and dependability.
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I never thought I would be disagreeing with Whiskey, Lax and GK all in one post. I might need my head examined. lol
I would take McKenzie (assuming he could hack it here). I think the term "situational" might be term that gives the wrong impression. While IM is certainly not an every down player, his "situations" would be more versatile. You can line him up in the backfield, in the slot and have him return punts. I think he would get more opportunities to touch the ball than Quick will.
I want the more dynamic college player and I think that IM will be a more dynamic player on the college level. I like Quick a lot too, but if I had to choose, I would take the more impactful player.
I would take McKenzie (assuming he could hack it here). I think the term "situational" might be term that gives the wrong impression. While IM is certainly not an every down player, his "situations" would be more versatile. You can line him up in the backfield, in the slot and have him return punts. I think he would get more opportunities to touch the ball than Quick will.
I want the more dynamic college player and I think that IM will be a more dynamic player on the college level. I like Quick a lot too, but if I had to choose, I would take the more impactful player.
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I really think Brent is going to wow people. He was so much faster at The Opening than people were expecting, and is just one hell of an athlete. That's the only "difference maker" I see on offense. I don't know if Weishar counts as a "difference maker" but if he bulks up he's also going to dominate as a TE. He's a freak.
On D, I LOVE our recruiting class minus the gaping hole at DT. I think about half the players are vastly underrated. I love Trumbetti, Blankenship, Williams, Hill relative to their rankings. I think it's a Stanford-esque class of guys with ability + the right demeanor.
On the whole, I love how this class compliments '13. Two year haul at WR is going to be absolute boss if we land Quick. The two year haul at RB is great, as much as I'd like to have Hood or Starks. I think Hood is going to destroy CFB. The two year haul on the OL could be absurdly good. We got two good QBs. Our TE haul of Heurman, Smythe, Weishar, Luatua... oh em gee. On defense, I'm not a huge fan of how we've recruited the DL. That's a question mark. Our linebackaer haul of the past two years is ridiculous. 4-3 with Smith + Morgan + Hill/Randolph/Yeargin/etc. as a SAM? Game over. In the secondary, there is a lot to like of our CBs + Redfield. Devin Butler is much better than I thought he would be. He's big and sticky.
Anyways, I agree with you that the team does lack gamebreakers. There is no true world-beater 5
I agree with everything except for the DL part. DT (at the moment) I think is a weakness but boy do we have some pass rushers in this class. In a 4-3 we have Trumbetti, Blankenship, Williams at DE. In a 3-4 you can add Hill to that list as a CAT LB. Of those 4, I think that we hit on at least a couple. I think we are going to get at least one more DT, lets say its Mokwuah. Mokwuah and Hayes would equal a good haul. Pass rusher I think will be special, DT's will be good.
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I hear ya. This is sort of why I said this:
I think there's a huge % chance IM could come in and contribute right away. He's something not on the roster, nor has there anybody like him at ND in quite a while. If he's as good as advertised, I could honestly see him being the difference in a game or two in 2014.
But....there's this:
Part of me finds it hard to believe IM will come to ND and make it for 3-4 years. I know there are a couple issues with MQ too, but IM seems like a total boom or bust recruit. So, I really don't know, gun to my head, who I would pick.
Perhaps this is like the reverse hot girl/girl next door scenario? IM is the sexy chick that I want right now, even if it's not really the best thing for me overall...and MQ is the stable, reasonable chick who will be better for me in the long run?
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One interesting tidbit: even the staff does not agree on which prospects they lead for and which they trail for. Some coaches may think ND leads for a guy, whereas other coaches think ND trails.
I guess that just shows that even the coaches are really guessing some of the time.