'13 CA S Max Redfield (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[KPENN]

Hi, Buzz Killington here. Doesn't he actually need to commit before getting slotted in the depth chart. Have a nice day. Oh yeah, Come on down Max!

 

[chicago51]

I think it was WiskeyJack that mentioned in BCS championship thread that this ND staff is trong at player developement. So so strong that years in the program seem to matter more the number of stars a guy has out of high school.

Max may get time but barring a ton of injuries I don't he will be a significant factor next season. This not to say he is not great but it is more of compliment to the coaching staff on good of job they do developing guys. He would have also had a better shot if he was an early enrollee.

This of course is assuming Max comes to ND we still have to wait and see for sure on that. Looks good but it is not over till its over.

 

[rtrn2glory]

I think it was WiskeyJack that mentioned in BCS championship thread that this ND staff is trong at player developement. So so strong that years in the program seem to matter more the number of stars a guy has out of high school.

Max may get time but barring a ton of injuries I don't he will be a significant factor next season. This not to say he is not great but it is more of compliment to the coaching staff on good of job they do developing guys. He would have also had a better shot if he was an early enrollee.

This of course is assuming Max comes to ND we still have to wait and see for sure on that. Looks good but it is not over till its over.

difference is though, that currently there are guys on the roster that need/needed to be developed into good players (the 3 star guys). difference hopefully now is that we'll be able to recruit elite players who can make an impact earlier in their careers like hopefully Max, jaylon, bryant, and the other skill guys. i see what your saying though for sure and i understand where your coming from...hope this makes sense.

 

[Ironman8]

I agree but he is a ball hawking free safety while Shumate is built like a line backer and much better in run support. I am almost certain Slaughter won't be back

I'm sorry man but no one can know anything either way on this, not even BK or Slaughter himself. It is in the hands of the NCAA, and they have been known to be wildly inconsistent and unpredictable when it comes to doling out 6th years. Just recently, Abromitis didn't get one when I thought he should have yet Dan Wenger got his at Florida with a much weaker case IMO.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Everybody had great points to make. Players are going to come here and stay to play for Bobby Elliott(and Kerry Cooks), just like we are seeing for Harry Heistand. GB I have to agree with your perspective.

So, now, tell me about the little blond.

 

[Rack Em]

Everybody had great points to make. Players are going to come here and stay to play for Bobby Elliott(and Kerry Cooks), just like we are seeing for Harry Heistand. GB I have to agree with your perspective.

So, now, tell me about the little blond.

Came in a holiday cup from Starbucks. Smokin' hot!

But seriously. I tend to agree with Wooly on Redfield's PT. I think he'll be hard pressed to start over Farley or Collinsworth. And I don't think we should undersell Barrati. The kid is a freak athlete and he had a great pick against Michigan in the endzone. Because of our sheer depth, I see him getting slightly less playing time than Shumate. That all hinges on our O's ability to blow teams out - obviously he gets more PT in that situation.

I hope he does redshirt because I want to watch Wooly eat his bathrobe.

 

[chicago51]

I'm sorry man but no one can know anything either way on this, not even BK or Slaughter himself. It is in the hands of the NCAA, and they have been known to be wildly inconsistent and unpredictable when it comes to doling out 6th years. Just recently, Abromitis didn't get one when I thought he should have yet Dan Wenger got his at Florida with a much weaker case IMO.

Sorry to digress off topic but why did the heck to NCAA give Scott Martin a sixth year but not Tim Abromaitis in basketball. Abromaitis miss the whole season with injury last year. He should have gotten that sixth year. Sometimes I don't understand the NCAA.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Came in a holiday cup from Starbucks. Smokin' hot!

But seriously. I tend to agree with Wooly on Redfield's PT. I think he'll be hard pressed to start over Farley or Collinsworth. And I don't think we should undersell Barrati. The kid is a freak athlete and he had a great pick against Michigan in the endzone. Because of our sheer depth, I see him getting slightly less playing time than Shumate. That all hinges on our O's ability to blow teams out - obviously he gets more PT in that situation.

I hope he does redshirt because I want to watch Wooly eat his bathrobe.

Man you are smart, funny too. Remind me of me.

 

[sportallyr]

Sorry to digress off topic but why did the heck to NCAA give Scott Martin a sixth year but not Tim Abromaitis in basketball. Abromaitis miss the whole season with injury last year. He should have gotten that sixth year. Sometimes I don't understand the NCAA.

Abro almost didn't get a 5th year due to the fact that he played in some exhibition games during his "redshirt year." Brey wasn't clear on the rules and almost cost him that year of eligibility. He ended up having to petition for his 5th year, which was granted with a suspension to start the year. I am fairly certain that this played into the decision not to grant him a 6th year.

Back to Redfield now...I would be willing to bet that he is Irish in the end and, if he is as good as advertised, I don't see him redshirting. I would think that he'll have a role on defense and/or special teams from day 1. This staff has proven that they will play the best player, regardless of experience. Collinsworth and Slaughter (if granted the extra year) would both be coming off major injuries so it remains to be seen whether they would be ready by the start of the season.

As previous posters mentioned, it's a good problems to be in with this kind of talented depth in the secondary. This, combined with the amazing D-Line trio of Day, Nix and Tuitt and some very athletic linebackers, has me so excited about next year's defense. Te'o, Mott and Kap will be missed, but the Irish have some very talented players ready to step up at all 3 positions.

 

[Luckylucci]

Don't think redfield starts from day 1 but he will get playing time in the secondary next year. Best safety PROSPECT we've had in a long time. He'll play minutes that are comparable to Lynch and Tuitt as freshman. I see this working out much like those two. I would also say that there is a very good chance that if he can compete physically that he is starting his sophmore year like tuitt and Lynch would have. Love the guys in front of him but this kid is to the secondary what Tuitt is to the Dline.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Sorry to digress off topic but why did the heck to NCAA give Scott Martin a sixth year but not Tim Abromaitis in basketball. Abromaitis miss the whole season with injury last year. He should have gotten that sixth year. Sometimes I don't understand the NCAA.

With Abromitis it had more to do with the fact that Abro should've lost a full year of elegibility the year that Brey screwed up and played him in an exhibition game when he was trying to red shirt him. However, the NCAA took it easy on him and ND since it was a misunderstanding of the rules and he was suspended 4 games. IMO the NCAA didn't give him the medical year since he shouldn't have technically been allowed to even play the year of his injury anyhow.

 

[Luckylucci]

Also very confident that Redfield will play Free safety.

 

[gkIrish]

Hi, Buzz Killington here. Doesn't he actually need to commit before getting slotted in the depth chart. Have a nice day. Oh yeah, Come on down Max!

This

 

[chicago51]

Agree with guy posting above me.

 

[Booslum31]

I think that the real competition will be between Max and Collinsworth. Though I was thrilled when Barrati picked that pass in the Mich game...it was a wobbly pass from a RB throwing off his back foot. It (when) we see Max on our depth chart he's going to see serious PT...how quickly will depend on how fast he adjusts to the speed of the college game.

 

[Irish#1]

Oy. I didn't mean to toss a grenade and disappear.

To explain my skepticism of Redfield's ability to quickly pass Collinsworth, Shumate or Farley on the depth chart:

• Collinsworth was slated to be a starter this season before his injury; he's earned Diaco's highest level of praise (lycanthropic); and he'll be the only senior in our secondary next season. With Motta graduating, someone has to provide veteran leadership, and Collinsworth is the most likely to provide it.
• Shumate was almost as highly touted as Redfield coming out of highschool, and he saw lots of playing time this season at the Nickel.
• Farley's athleticism and physicality are commonly underrated, and he's started at FS all season for arguably the best defense in the country.

That's a lot of talent and experience to overcome. Since our starting Nickel under Kelly has almost always been our #3 S, that means Redfield will have to surpass one of them. Of the three, he's most likely to pass either Collinsworth or Farley. Maybe Collinsworth doesn't have the athleticism to hang, or maybe Redfield ends up having better instincts and ball skills than Farley... it's possible. But I wouldn't bet on a freshman, even a 5, to pass either of those guys easily.

And the fact that I'm able to say that about two converted 3 WRs is ridiculous. The player development we've seen under this staff is absurd.

I agree, but I could see him getting a lot of playing time or even fighting for a starting spot if he has the strength.

 

[quarterback1010]

Notre Dame Football: Who Will Replace Every Outgoing Starter in 2013? | Bleacher Report
In this report, Bleacher report seems to think Baratti will replace Motta. I really don't see that happening...not next year anyways

 

[jimmymac]

Notre Dame Football: Who Will Replace Every Outgoing Starter in 2013? | Bleacher Report
In this report, Bleacher report seems to think Baratti will replace Motta. I really don't see that happening...not next year anyways

It's bleacher report...

 

[PANDFAN]

Notre Dame Football: Who Will Replace Every Outgoing Starter in 2013? | Bleacher Report
In this report, Bleacher report seems to think Baratti will replace Motta. I really don't see that happening...not next year anyways

check the source....that should be enough to not believe it

 

[Rocky2820]

Collinsworth is going to be a good one IMO. Doesn't mean Max won't earn some PT - he's just too good to keep off the field - but Austin really showed something through his special teams play that frankly pleasanly surprised me. Then Max will likely step into that spot day 1 sophomore year.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Eilar Hardy is going to be a name to watch next year. I have heard nothing but good things from his this year. Redfield has his work cut out for him. Kids arent just going to roll over bc he is a 5 star. Sure as a fanbase its nice to get, but he is not entitled to anything on this team. He will have to come in and work. THat is how dynastys get started.

 

[Irishman77]

Last year when I took all the measurables of size, 40, bench etc hardy was the outlier. I have no worries about our back7 whatsoever!

 

[BeauBenken]

Eilar Hardy is going to be a name to watch next year. I have heard nothing but good things from his this year. Redfield has his work cut out for him. Kids arent just going to roll over bc he is a 5 star. Sure as a fanbase its nice to get, but he is not entitled to anything on this team. He will have to come in and work. THat is how dynastys get started.

You've been calling for Eilar forever. haha

 

[Luckylucci]

I would love to hear what u have about Eilar hardy. Loved that kid coming out but haven't heard much since the knee injury. Thought he would at least see the field last year, at safety

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Man the secondary is so deep next year.

 

[NDhoosier]

The secondary will be strong next year, that is for sure. That is also why I dont see how Redfield gets a lot of PT. I am not saying he redshirts, but I think he will see the field much like Baratti or Shumate has this year.

Look, Ill be the first to admit I get the Shiny New Toy Syndrome as well with some recruits, but its hard to see Redfield getting the PT some of you guys think he will. DBs will be a strength for ND next year.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Fact remains that a lot of players currently in the secondary are 3 stars and converted players while Redfield is a 5 star. I love our secondary, but Redfield is a talent that we don't have. He will get a lot of playing time one way or another.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Redfield may be a 5 star recruit but the others are no slouches when they compare to him. They are all athletically gifted with very high potential ceilings. If Redfield chooses ND (which I think 95% that he will) he will get PT, but like others have said, more along the lines of what Baratti or Shumate received this year.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Redfield may be a 5 star recruit but the others are no slouches when they compare to him. They are all athletically gifted with very high potential ceilings. If Redfield chooses ND (which I think 95% that he will) he will get PT, but like others have said, more along the lines of what Baratti or Shumate received this year.

Just like the others don't know, you don't know that to be true either. Ratings mean nothing once you get on campus. If he's good enough and as talented as some 'experts' say (and he has some NICE film), then he could end up starting day 1. Or he could be yet another overrated blue-chipper from Orange County. You never know!

Anyone speaking in absolutes is fooling themselves. With the talent already at Notre Dame, and the immense talent this kid has, a wide spectrum of things could happen...

 

[Grahambo]

Eilar Hardy is going to be a name to watch next year. I have heard nothing but good things from his this year. Redfield has his work cut out for him. Kids arent just going to roll over bc he is a 5 star. Sure as a fanbase its nice to get, but he is not entitled to anything on this team. He will have to come in and work. THat is how dynastys get started.

I'll also argue that it breeds healthy competition which brings the best out of everyone.