Turf/ Jumbotron Thread

[koonja]

The 'ND' logo is one of the greatest logos in all of sports IMO and it beautiful. Why not put it on a new, beautiful field?

Clover also looks amazing, but you can't do green on green.

 

[gkIrish]

The 'ND' logo is one of the greatest logos in all of sports IMO and it beautiful. Why not put it on a new, beautiful field?

Clover also looks amazing, but you can't do green on green.

IMO if doesn't help the team's performance or help recruiting, we shouldn't change something. So while I support turf and a jumbotron for those reasons, I don't see why we should add a logo to midfield.

 

[koonja]

IMO if doesn't help the team's performance or help recruiting, we shouldn't change something. So while I support turf and a jumbotron for those reasons, I don't see why we should add a logo to midfield.

You could argue that having a really sweet looking field helps recruiting (not much, I know) and I really think the 'ND' logo will stand out and look amazing on artificial turf.

I guess the bigger deal is, if we're breaking traditions, might as well change the surface and put the logo on. Rather than one year change the surface, then 2 years later flirt with the idea of the logo, and upset NDnation all over again .

 

[bmf175]

You could argue that having a really sweet looking field helps recruiting (not much, I know) and I really think the 'ND' logo will stand out and look amazing on artificial turf.

I guess the bigger deal is, if we're breaking traditions, might as well change the surface and put the logo on. Rather than one year change the surface, then 2 years later flirt with the idea of the logo, and upset NDnation all over again .

kuehnja you are just a trendy person.
I bet you own a lexus SUV just to fit in with all the other soccer moms.

Really a logo on the field?! Since we are breaking traditions I guess we should just break all the traditions ND has left (academies, field, everything else).

We chose to be ND fans knowing their traditions are a big part of who ND is. ND did not choose us to be their fans.

Im sure there are a lot of schools out there that have to reinvent who they are every couple years.
Notre Dame is not one of them!
Recruiting at ND has only suffered when the staff in place were comprised of individuals that lacked recruiting skills.

A logo on the field will not help recruiting.
Last year was a great year and this coming class is also turning into something special. All without a JUMBOTRON, ARTIFICIAL TURF, OR A LOGO ON THE FIELD.

What kills me is that BOTH TEAMS have to play on the same field. Yet you guys are only looking at how the field kills NDs performance.

 

[koonja]

A logo on a new field will look better than a plain field.

I'm not saying it's going to help our recruiting. But if you're going to do something new, why not do it right and make it the most appealing.

If you don't think the ND logo will look awesome on the new field turf, then I disagree with you. And that's fine .

 

[pkt77242]

kuehnja you are just a trendy person.
I bet you own a lexus SUV just to fit in with all the other soccer moms.

Really a logo on the field?! Since we are breaking traditions I guess we should just break all the traditions ND has left (academies, field, everything else).

We chose to be ND fans knowing their traditions are a big part of who ND is. ND did not choose us to be their fans.

Im sure there are a lot of schools out there that have to reinvent who they are every couple years.
Notre Dame is not one of them!
Recruiting at ND has only suffered when the staff in place were comprised of individuals that lacked recruiting skills.

A logo on the field will not help recruiting.
Last year was a great year and this coming class is also turning into something special. All without a JUMBOTRON, ARTIFICIAL TURF, OR A LOGO ON THE FIELD.

What kills me is that BOTH TEAMS have to play on the same field. Yet you guys are only looking at how the field kills NDs performance.

I think your panties are in a twist. Just saying.

Who gives a **** about a logo on the field (for the record, I am not really for it), it does not change who Notre Dame is, but the academic side is who Notre Dame is, and if you can't understand that, then I don't know what to tell you. Field Turf, or a logo or a Jumbotron are cosmetic changes. Changing the academics drastically (a little is ok) or removing some of the religious aspects would be massive changes. Get over yourself.

 

[greyhammer90]

I'm not a big traditionalist. I firmly believe in turf. I go back and forth about the Jumbotron but have mostly just accepted that it will come and am worried about the "ad creep" more than anything else. I'm fine with Shamrock Series jerseys. I think putting names on the backs of jerseys in bowl games is badass. And I think the change to our helmet was a fantastic move forward.

But you leave the endzones and midfield alone. The plainness speaks to our uniqueness more than any logo could IMO. I've had TONS of fans from different schools tell me how cool the simple striped endzone look is.

 

[IrishLion]

What kills me is that BOTH TEAMS have to play on the same field. Yet you guys are only looking at how the field kills NDs performance.

Actually, ND is getting to a point where they have more skill/speed than most of their opponents. Having a suspect playing surface eliminates this advantage. Sure, the other team is affected as well. But they were slower to begin with. In bad field conditions, this advantage is not as great as it could be.

Also, I'm not even part of that crowd. I just support a new surface because it's silly to continue with maintenance costs and replacing the surface three times a season when there is a cost-effective, viable replacement.

Grass has nothing to do with the tradition of the football program. Lots of teams play on grass. It's not uniqe to ND.

 

[greyhammer90]

Also, I'm not even part of that crowd. I just support a new surface because it's silly to continue with maintenance costs and replacing the surface three times a season when there is a cost-effective, viable replacement.

You forgot "that doesn't look like garbage"

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

I'm not a big traditionalist. I firmly believe in turf. I go back and forth about the Jumbotron but have mostly just accepted that it will come and am worried about the "ad creep" more than anything else. I'm fine with Shamrock Series jerseys. I think putting names on the backs of jerseys in bowl games is badass. And I think the change to our helmet was a fantastic move forward.

But you leave the endzones and midfield alone. The plainness speaks to our uniqueness more than any logo could IMO. I've had TONS of fans from different schools tell me how cool the simple striped endzone look is.

+1

I feel the same

 

[micks60]

You could argue that having a really sweet looking field helps recruiting (not much, I know) and I really think the 'ND' logo will stand out and look amazing on artificial turf.

I guess the bigger deal is, if we're breaking traditions, might as well change the surface and put the logo on. Rather than one year change the surface, then 2 years later flirt with the idea of the logo, and upset NDnation all over again .

Can someone explain to me at what point playing football on grass became a tradition. Schools did it for years and when newer and better technology came out they switched. Just like with switching to new equipment. Why is this such a big deal?

 

[T Town Tommy]

I go back and forth about the Jumbotron but have mostly just accepted that it will come and am worried about the "ad creep" more than anything else.

Get a big bank to sponsor you, advertise prepaid debit cards, and then line the recruits.... wait. That's our advantage. n/m

 

[irishff1014]

Can someone explain to me at what point playing football on grass became a tradition. Schools did it for years and when newer and better technology came out they switched. Just like with switching to new equipment. Why is this such a big deal?

I think you bring up a good point.

If we change the uni's for the Shamrock series why can't we change to Turf?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Can someone explain to me at what point playing football on grass became a tradition. Schools did it for years and when newer and better technology came out they switched. Just like with switching to new equipment. Why is this such a big deal?

ND did look into getting astroturf way back when but the idea was nixed at the time because the training staff thought it would lead to more injuries.

 

[UmphreakDomer]

kuehnja you are just a trendy person.
I bet you own a lexus SUV just to fit in with all the other soccer moms.

a tad aggressive, no?

Really a logo on the field?! Since we are breaking traditions I guess we should just break all the traditions ND has left (academies, field, everything else).

it's not always "breaking" but evolving. i.e. player walk, mass before game, even {gasp!} the alma mater.

We chose to be ND fans knowing their traditions are a big part of who ND is. ND did not choose us to be their fans.

been a notre dame fan forever--i do not remember making the decision.

Im sure there are a lot of schools out there that have to reinvent who they are every couple years.
Notre Dame is not one of them!
Recruiting at ND has only suffered when the staff in place were comprised of individuals that lacked recruiting skills.

changing a jersey isnt re-inventing. does the school/team change their identity? their values? one could argue that ND was in the best hands with weis, as his love for his alma mater is unparalleled. it did not, however, translate.

A logo on the field will not help recruiting.
Last year was a great year and this coming class is also turning into something special. All without a JUMBOTRON, ARTIFICIAL TURF, OR A LOGO ON THE FIELD.

if a sticker or color of a helmet or jersey can "influence" recruiting--you better believe a "bitchin' sound system" or a color of turf....could. even if it's only 1 kid. it's still 1 kid.

What kills me is that BOTH TEAMS have to play on the same field. Yet you guys are only looking at how the field kills NDs performance.

i'd like to watch the athleticism of the teams play to both potentials, on a safe and esthetic playing surface.

 

[nsisk157]

I'm in for some **** like this. I'd even like it if they removed the endzone section, or top portion, on the Touchdown Jesus side to let it overlook the field.

This.

 

[CraigKrenzel]

I'm not a big traditionalist. I firmly believe in turf. I go back and forth about the Jumbotron but have mostly just accepted that it will come and am worried about the "ad creep" more than anything else.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but at the ND basketball games I've attended I didn't notice any ads shown during the game -- there were some videos promoting the other sports, and goofy videos of the players, but no ads.

If they wanted to show (static) ads on the current mini video boards, there's nothing stopping them right now it would seem?

 

[Buster Bluth]

kuehnja you are just a trendy person.
I bet you own a lexus SUV just to fit in with all the other soccer moms.

Really a logo on the field?! Since we are breaking traditions I guess we should just break all the traditions ND has left (academies, field, everything else).

We chose to be ND fans knowing their traditions are a big part of who ND is. ND did not choose us to be their fans.

Im sure there are a lot of schools out there that have to reinvent who they are every couple years.
Notre Dame is not one of them!
Recruiting at ND has only suffered when the staff in place were comprised of individuals that lacked recruiting skills.

A logo on the field will not help recruiting.
Last year was a great year and this coming class is also turning into something special. All without a JUMBOTRON, ARTIFICIAL TURF, OR A LOGO ON THE FIELD.

What kills me is that BOTH TEAMS have to play on the same field. Yet you guys are only looking at how the field kills NDs performance.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Just wait till the jumbotron comes. The constant commercials on NBC are bad, just watch us have the same on our jumbotron every time Mr Orange Sleeves walks onto the field. Lol

 

[Cackalacky]

Where did the advertisements come into the discussion? I have been to numerous CFB games, albeit SEC ACC games and only occasionally will the coaches come on and say public addresses like "don't drink and drive" and such. No ads like at NFL games. Maybe it's different elsewhere. The jumbotrons are for replays and getting people pumped up.

 

[Cackalacky]

Get a big bank to sponsor you, advertise prepaid debit cards, and then line the recruits.... wait. That's our advantage. n/m

Indiana should legalize prostitution. I just want our guys to have access to quality whores.

 

[wizards8507]

Can someone explain to me at what point playing football on grass became a tradition. Schools did it for years and when newer and better technology came out they switched. Just like with switching to new equipment. Why is this such a big deal?

Real grass isn't "Notre Dame tradition," but it's a nostalgic element of traditional outdoor sports overall. Consider if they tried to put artificial turf in Fenway Park. Boston would burn. Conversely, Gillette Stadium has field turf and nobody much cares. The difference is that the "old school, classic" vibe is part of the Red Sox' identity, but not so with the Patriots. You mock the "harumph, fullbacks" crowd but the nostalgic element is part of what makes Notre Dame Football special for a lot of folks. Watching teams like Oregon offends our sensibilities, not out of any reason that can be eloquently argued, but because it just doesn't FEEL right. A muddy field isn't ugly or embarassing, it's beautiful. Everything I've ever read about what makes Notre Dame Stadium unique and special specifically talks about the plainness and lack of all the new fads as something to be cherished, not tossed away in the name of conformity.

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[wizards8507]

Glad to see you ventured over Pappy. I've got a lot of ideas and features I'm going to add. Hopefully we'll get some ND faithful signing up soon.

I'd make an SMC joke, but my beautiful wife, whom I love, is a proud Belle.

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[greyhammer90]

Where did the advertisements come into the discussion? I have been to numerous CFB games, albeit SEC ACC games and only occasionally will the coaches come on and say public addresses like "don't drink and drive" and such. No ads like at NFL games. Maybe it's different elsewhere. The jumbotrons are for replays and getting people pumped up.

Plus lets not forget the ring around the stadium that's always telling me to call Allstate.

As to the people who don't think this administration will do that because they don't for basketball games, there's a reason I called it "ad creep." What this administration does, or promises, doesn't really matter because one day Swarbrick, Kelly, and others will retire/be shown the door. So the question isn't one of "what's going to happen with ads in the next five years" it's more about the far future.

I also call it creep because I can see ND starting with one partner like Adidas or NBC. Someone that they have long-term connections with. Then it turns into Coke products, because they want to increase sales in the stadium, and it just steamrolls from there.

At the end of the day a jumbotron can be tool to view replays. But lets not pretend that we're going to put what is essentially a giant billboard inside the stadium and it's not going to be used to advertise stuff.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

Plus lets not forget the ring around the stadium that's always telling me to call Allstate.

As to the people who don't think this administration will do that because they don't for basketball games, there's a reason I called it "ad creep." What this administration does, or promises, doesn't really matter because one day Swarbrick, Kelly, and others will retire/be shown the door. So the question isn't one of "what's going to happen with ads in the next five years" it's more about the far future.

I also call it creep because I can see ND starting with one partner like Adidas or NBC. Someone that they have long-term connections with. Then it turns into Coke products, because they want to increase sales in the stadium, and it just steamrolls from there.

At the end of the day a jumbotron can be tool to view replays. But lets not pretend that we're going to put what is essentially giant billboard inside the stadium and it's not going to be used to advertise stuff.

Of course. I mean we are kidding ourselves if you think the rich alum aren't going to want to put their companies name in the stadium in exchange for a suite.

 

[RDU Irish]

I'd make an SMC joke, but my beautiful wife, whom I love, is a proud Belle.

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Doesn't stop me from making SMC jokes. Grow a pair.

 

[koonja]

I have a dumb question.

I've seen that people don't want a video screen because they don't want it to block Touchdown Jesus. Understandable.

But why couldn't the video screen go on the opposite side (take and move the scoreboard).

Obviously there's an explanation for this, otherwise it'd be discussed more, but I missed the explanation and don't understand.

 

[NDdomer2]

nd has video boards at that Joyce, the Compton, and ourmany other facilities and I've yet to see an ad on them.

 

[wizards8507]

I have a dumb question.

I've seen that people don't want a video screen because they don't want it to block Touchdown Jesus. Understandable.

But why couldn't the video screen go on the opposite side (take and move the scoreboard).

Obviously there's an explanation for this, otherwise it'd be discussed more, but I missed the explanation and don't understand.

Golden Dome: A Trip to Notre Dame - The Life - ESPN

The bluegrass field itself is simple yet immaculate, with the shades of green alternating from light to dark every five yards.

There are no logos at midfield. The end zones feature no university wordmarks or colorful checkerboard patterns, only 10 angled white chalk stripes that conjure an image of George Gipp plunging his way in.

There is no corporate signage in the stadium bowl, and because there is no Jumbotron, there are no commercials, highlight reels or Pope races to assault the senses. It's football, and football only. For the first couple of series, you miss the instant replays, but then something unexpected happens: Without an electronic board to rely on, you adjust and seem to see the game with more clarity and recall than you would otherwise. Because you can't rely on instant replay, you don't.

The stadium presents a panorama so timeless, that you could be watching Ronald Reagan (who played Gipp), or Rudy. You could also be staring at a black and white photograph, hanging in the College Football Hall of Fame, which, officially, is across town, but in reality sits right here.

On TV, the milieu can sometimes come off as bland as a test pattern. In person, it's just right, with the 50 yards of bright yellow flowers that run behind either bench pulling your eyes toward the action at field level, the same way the yellow brick road led Dorothy to the Land of Oz.

 

[RDU Irish]

I cannot come up with a single reason NOT to install field turf. I cannot fathom how it detracts from "tradition" if it is painted the same way it is now.