Trump Presidency

[Bluto]

Omg is Colin Powell’s republicanism under fire now?

Has been for awhile.

 

[dublinirish]

Amazon, Google, and Apple are dropping Parler Apps from their sites for failure to follow their basic rules for policing their site for violent content and crime. For those users who currently have that app, it will be unavailable after the sites' future updates.

















Excerpts from: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

About f-ing time. These sites bear some responsibility for providing communication for these domestic terrorists to coordinate their actions. Parler may be dead by Monday and the terrorists may have less ability to plan for activity on Inauguration Day.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember how people were dunking on Parler for being built on WordPress? Well, through a plug-in exploit, literally all the user data (including photos of verified state id cards) has been retrieved by hackers and is being posted online. Lmao ♾️<a href="https://t.co/w1yexoUOxq">https://t.co/w1yexoUOxq</a> <a href="https://t.co/h2Mf7Fn1Sc">pic.twitter.com/h2Mf7Fn1Sc</a></p>— Classic Bird Respecter (@BirdRespecter) <a href="https://twitter.com/BirdRespecter/status/1348557067351519234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So Parler has been totally owned, anyone active on there with these citizen ID'ed accounts who been posting malicious stuff gotta be sweating right now

 

[dublinirish]

Michael Moore was doing a Facebook Live the other day and he said he has it on good authority that of the 3 people who died in the Capitol grounds of "Medical emergencies":
1 died of a heart attack after entering the Capitol and an electric cattle prod he had on person accidently went off and electrocuted the wearer in his genitals and subsequently he had a cardiac arrest and later died
The second died falling off while trying to scale a Tv camera tower erected in advance of Biden's inauguration
The third died whilst wearing a "Don't Tread on Me Flag" and fell and was trampled to death by an onrushing crowd

 

[RDU Irish]

Maybe I am just desensitized by the last four years of abhorrent rhetoric and actions - Trump is a Nazi - you mean like really this time because that has been claimed for five years. All the media and haters lost so much credibility over the Russia collusion hoax and Kavanaugh hearings (explain to me how that is not insurrection or coup worthy, btw). But THIS time the WOLF is really there - yeah maybe but nobody cares b/c you have no credibility. Yes that includes all the raging TDS sufferers on here - the hilarity of y'all telling everyone else what is a hoax and what is not. Polar opposite and immediate media response to this event to the entirety of BLM is not lost on everyone.

I really don't see the two hour riot that retreated at first sign of trouble as some violent insurrection or coup. I have always thought people that go to rallies and protests are weird at best and loony at worst. Get a life. It got out of hand - kind of like going to a fight and having a hockey game break out. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes - at least they will hand out prizes in this one.

Had we put instigators of the previous 8 months of riots on no-fly lists this probably doesn't happen. We see Buffalo Bill and some other dipshits popping up - how do we leap to INSURRECTION!!! after catch and release of previous rioters? The incoming administration was the one raising money to bail out rioters but somehow did not foment the masses? All of the open violent rhetoric toward Trump but his code words in a speech were a coordinated coup attempt. Do you even hear yourselves? There is no ANTIFA home office, there is no White Supremacist brain trust. These are morons connected by social media algorithms to create echo chambers that empower their idiocy - no downvotes, only up. Same phenomenon that has shiplap overrunning suburbia.

As for Trump - I don't doubt his last salvos are to gin up support for his coming media network and social media platform. The more you demonize it, the more you fuel it.

 

[NorthDakota]

Michael Moore was doing a Facebook Live the other day and he said he has it on good authority that of the 3 people who died in the Capitol grounds of "Medical emergencies":
1 died of a heart attack after entering the Capitol and an electric cattle prod he had on person accidently went off and electrocuted the wearer in his genitals and subsequently he had a cardiac arrest and later died
The second died falling off while trying to scale a Tv camera tower erected in advance of Biden's inauguration
The third died whilst wearing a "Don't Tread on Me Flag" and fell and was trampled to death by an onrushing crowd

Could very well be true, but Michael Moore is an idiot. Thats like a dog saying he has it on good authority that the mailman is trying to bang your wife, hates jews, and doesn't pay his taxes.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A hacker has archived every single post on Parler from the date of the Capitol riot, complete with metadata including GPS locations of the users. She’s about to make it public. <br><br> <a href="https://t.co/JrUoNThmVu">https://t.co/JrUoNThmVu</a></p>— chris evans (@notcapnamerica) <a href="https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1348642963803557890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Armyirish47]

Maybe I am just desensitized by the last four years of abhorrent rhetoric and actions - Trump is a Nazi - you mean like really this time because that has been claimed for five years. All the media and haters lost so much credibility over the Russia collusion hoax and Kavanaugh hearings (explain to me how that is not insurrection or coup worthy, btw). But THIS time the WOLF is really there - yeah maybe but nobody cares b/c you have no credibility. Yes that includes all the raging TDS sufferers on here - the hilarity of y'all telling everyone else what is a hoax and what is not. Polar opposite and immediate media response to this event to the entirety of BLM is not lost on everyone.

I really don't see the two hour riot that retreated at first sign of trouble as some violent insurrection or coup. I have always thought people that go to rallies and protests are weird at best and loony at worst. Get a life. It got out of hand - kind of like going to a fight and having a hockey game break out. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes - at least they will hand out prizes in this one.

Had we put instigators of the previous 8 months of riots on no-fly lists this probably doesn't happen. We see Buffalo Bill and some other dipshits popping up - how do we leap to INSURRECTION!!! after catch and release of previous rioters? The incoming administration was the one raising money to bail out rioters but somehow did not foment the masses? All of the open violent rhetoric toward Trump but his code words in a speech were a coordinated coup attempt. Do you even hear yourselves? There is no ANTIFA home office, there is no White Supremacist brain trust. These are morons connected by social media algorithms to create echo chambers that empower their idiocy - no downvotes, only up. Same phenomenon that has shiplap overrunning suburbia.

As for Trump - I don't doubt his last salvos are to gin up support for his coming media network and social media platform. The more you demonize it, the more you fuel it.

I hate it when I go to a party and it gets out of hand for a couple hours and you know people die and the government stops functioning because it is locked in a panic room, and the gallows and flexi cuffs and weapons and the confederate battle flags are all just like "around", really bums my vibe.

 

[NDRock]

Maybe I am just desensitized by the last four years of abhorrent rhetoric and actions - Trump is a Nazi - you mean like really this time because that has been claimed for five years. All the media and haters lost so much credibility over the Russia collusion hoax and Kavanaugh hearings (explain to me how that is not insurrection or coup worthy, btw). But THIS time the WOLF is really there - yeah maybe but nobody cares b/c you have no credibility. Yes that includes all the raging TDS sufferers on here - the hilarity of y'all telling everyone else what is a hoax and what is not. Polar opposite and immediate media response to this event to the entirety of BLM is not lost on everyone.

I really don't see the two hour riot that retreated at first sign of trouble as some violent insurrection or coup. I have always thought people that go to rallies and protests are weird at best and loony at worst. Get a life. It got out of hand - kind of like going to a fight and having a hockey game break out. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes - at least they will hand out prizes in this one.

Had we put instigators of the previous 8 months of riots on no-fly lists this probably doesn't happen. We see Buffalo Bill and some other dipshits popping up - how do we leap to INSURRECTION!!! after catch and release of previous rioters? The incoming administration was the one raising money to bail out rioters but somehow did not foment the masses? All of the open violent rhetoric toward Trump but his code words in a speech were a coordinated coup attempt. Do you even hear yourselves? There is no ANTIFA home office, there is no White Supremacist brain trust. These are morons connected by social media algorithms to create echo chambers that empower their idiocy - no downvotes, only up. Same phenomenon that has shiplap overrunning suburbia.

As for Trump - I don't doubt his last salvos are to gin up support for his coming media network and social media platform. The more you demonize it, the more you fuel it.

Without a doubt there is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides. I'm pretty much a centrist so when I watch these riots, I see people who are strikingly similar. They seem to have much in common with each other. Mostly disenfranchised individuals who think the system is working against them and there is probably some truth to it. I'd say most of the people who show up to these things are not really "winning" in life. The ones I know who are hard core also seem to fit this mold. "My boss hates me, my ex-wife is a bitch, etc..." Of course, if you're happily married and doing well at work, you probably don't think the system is too bad.

 

[TorontoGold]

Without a doubt there is a lot of hypocrisy on both sides. I'm pretty much a centrist so when I watch these riots, I see people who are strikingly similar. They seem to have much in common with each other. Mostly disenfranchised individuals who think the system is working against them and there is probably some truth to it. I'd say most of the people who show up to these things are not really "winning" in life. The ones I know who are hard core also seem to fit this mold. "My boss hates me, my ex-wife is a bitch, etc..." Of course, if you're happily married and doing well at work, you probably don't think the system is too bad.

I think one of the ironic things is the MAGA crowd plays the economic anxiety card while simultaneously arguing against their own self interest with "smaller government, lower taxes, no hand outs". I do agree economic anxiety is the largest driver for the angst for both BLM/MAGA (left out Antifa and QAnon because they just want chaos), I side with BLM because their arguments tend be a lot more congruent with their goals.

 

[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Remember how people were dunking on Parler for being built on WordPress? Well, through a plug-in exploit, literally all the user data (including photos of verified state id cards) has been retrieved by hackers and is being posted online. Lmao ♾️<a href="https://t.co/w1yexoUOxq">https://t.co/w1yexoUOxq</a> <a href="https://t.co/h2Mf7Fn1Sc">pic.twitter.com/h2Mf7Fn1Sc</a></p>— Classic Bird Respecter (@BirdRespecter) <a href="https://twitter.com/BirdRespecter/status/1348557067351519234?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So Parler has been totally owned, anyone active on there with these citizen ID'ed accounts who been posting malicious stuff gotta be sweating right now

Interesting, I thought Parler came out and said they don't store that information, they use it to verify identity and then delete it. Either way, could give credence to those that thought the app was a scam to begin with. It'll be interesting to see if the information gets posted this time. About a month or two back someone else claimed they hacked Parler and made similar threats, but I don't think anything came of it.

 

[IrishLax]

Any links to this?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ad3274-5283-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html

The video where the Capitol Police Officer -- Eugene Goodman -- is trying to hold back the mob by himself, they ultimately end up chasing him up a staircase. They walk by the entrance to the Senate at 2:14, but take a wrong turn to continue chasing Goodman. The Senate wasn't evacuated until 2:16. So there was a two minute window where stuff could've gotten very dicey.

 

[NDRock]

I think one of the ironic things is the MAGA crowd plays the economic anxiety card while simultaneously arguing against their own self interest with "smaller government, lower taxes, no hand outs". I do agree economic anxiety is the largest driver for the angst for both BLM/MAGA (left out Antifa and QAnon because they just want chaos), I side with BLM because their arguments tend be a lot more congruent with their goals.

Not sure I "side" with anyone. As a white dude, I get more frustrated with the MAGA crowd because I'm "walking in their shoes". I live and work with them and realize their problems are typically their own doing. I still believe this country is full of opportunity and if you put effort in you will be rewarded. Guess it's always easier to blame the newest conspiracy theory for why you're still living at home in your 30's, then to take responsibility.

 

[dublinirish]

Interesting, I thought Parler came out and said they don't store that information, they use it to verify identity and then delete it. Either way, could give credence to those that thought the app was a scam to begin with. It'll be interesting to see if the information gets posted this time. About a month or two back someone else claimed they hacked Parler and made similar threats, but I don't think anything came of it.

everything is online now and available to view

 

[Legacy]

He lost - the election, in the courts. He knew it. He manipulated his base with a lie. The lie led to the attack on our Congress and the foundation of our democracy and cost lives. He doesn't care.

I'm losing track of RINOs.

Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine, Georgia Lt. Gov. Geoff Duncan, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Colin Powell, most of the Senatorial leadership - specifically singling out John Thune, Majority Whip; Joni Ernst, VP of Senate Rep Conference; and have to assume McConnell, Roy Blunt, RP Comm Chairman, and who is head of the Inauguration Committee.

Objects of specific anger and for acknowledging Biden’s victory. Sens. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), Romney (UT), Cornyn (Tx) and Ben Sasse (R-Neb.)

I assume others who acknowledged Trump lost before the attack and vote to certify:
Sens - Alexander, Braun, Capito, Cassidy, Collins, Fischer, Johnson, Moran, Portman, Rubio, Tillis, Toomey, Young

Reps - Bacon, Curtis, Fitzpatrick, Fortenberry, Gonzalez, Hurd, Kitzinger, Reed, Riggleman, Rooney, Shimkus, Stivers, Upton, Walden, Weterman, Young

He was glad Loeffler and Perdue lost and separated himself from what he usually calls "losers".

Where does the Republican Party with most of the leadership subject to his wrath go from here? They've been Trumpublicans and enablers for four years. He's trying to lead a populist rebellion against them. Only if he is impeached and found guilty at a trial in the Senate would that prevent him from running again.

 

[Blazers46]

Maybe I am just desensitized by the last four years of abhorrent rhetoric and actions - Trump is a Nazi - you mean like really this time because that has been claimed for five years. All the media and haters lost so much credibility over the Russia collusion hoax and Kavanaugh hearings (explain to me how that is not insurrection or coup worthy, btw). But THIS time the WOLF is really there - yeah maybe but nobody cares b/c you have no credibility. Yes that includes all the raging TDS sufferers on here - the hilarity of y'all telling everyone else what is a hoax and what is not. Polar opposite and immediate media response to this event to the entirety of BLM is not lost on everyone.

I really don't see the two hour riot that retreated at first sign of trouble as some violent insurrection or coup. I have always thought people that go to rallies and protests are weird at best and loony at worst. Get a life. It got out of hand - kind of like going to a fight and having a hockey game break out. Play stupid games and win stupid prizes - at least they will hand out prizes in this one.

Had we put instigators of the previous 8 months of riots on no-fly lists this probably doesn't happen. We see Buffalo Bill and some other dipshits popping up - how do we leap to INSURRECTION!!! after catch and release of previous rioters? The incoming administration was the one raising money to bail out rioters but somehow did not foment the masses? All of the open violent rhetoric toward Trump but his code words in a speech were a coordinated coup attempt. Do you even hear yourselves? There is no ANTIFA home office, there is no White Supremacist brain trust. These are morons connected by social media algorithms to create echo chambers that empower their idiocy - no downvotes, only up. Same phenomenon that has shiplap overrunning suburbia.

As for Trump - I don't doubt his last salvos are to gin up support for his coming media network and social media platform. The more you demonize it, the more you fuel it.

I was talking to my very conservative father-in-law this morning. He said "Trump has really gone off the rails this time". just for sake of argument I asked "how so" and he could not really answer that quetsion and admitted just all the stuff hes seeing be said on TV.

I still don't think there is a "smoking gun" here with Trump. I think his speech that morning was typical Trump. He spoke to fire up his base. I also think the media will just take anything at this point to excuse their own "sanctions" on Trump. Meanwhile we have prominant celebs holding a bloody decapitated Trump head, and talking about killing and blowing up the white house. We also have ISIS and other terror and oppressive regimes tweeting and probably snapchatting.

 

[Blazers46]

everything is online now and available to view

You have a link?

 

[Irish#1]

It’s neither. And I’m sick of this false dichotomy. No one here is happy with what went down this summer but they are completely unrelated and completely not the same. The BLm has arisen from multiple years of documented instances of unfair justice and police executions. These are real and tangible and documented. The anger is understandable. The violence is unacceptable. It WAS NOT SEDITION AND INSURRECTION spurred on by politicians and our president.

This insurrection was based on lies, conspiracy theories and has ZERO fucking basis in reality and was pushed by GOP. Only the GOP and a great many members of the GOP. They took over the Capitol building with literally #2-#5 in the line of succession plus our ENTIRE LEGISLATIVE BODY in there. This was a coup. It’s being shown they were there to execute and capture political people.

I’m not gonna sit here and get accused of not being upset at the BLM movement 4 months ago just because your political party tried to execute a coup based on completely fabricated lie.

The only reason you are posting this is to whitewash the current situation. It has fuck all to do with what’s currently going on. How I feel about BLM has zero bearing on how I feel about this and the only reason it keeps getting brought up is to deflect your own cognitive dissonance

You may have been outraged by what happened this summer, but the point some are trying to make, is that there didn't appear to be much outrage from the left particularly the media when the riots were happening.

It is being narrow minded if you think what happened in the summer isn't related to what happened in D.C. What happened in D.C. is a result of what happened in the summer.

 

[Blazers46]

You may have been outraged by what happened this summer, but the point some are trying to make, is that there didn't appear to be much outrage from the left particularly the media when the riots were happening.

It is being narrow minded if you think what happened in the summer isn't related to what happened in D.C. What happened in D.C. is a result of what happened in the summer.

You could make the argument some on the left condoned the behavior. Worse has been said on the other side of the isle.

 

[Irish#1]

The Secretary of the Army just stated that there are 25 open domestic terrorism cases stemming from the Trump rally, and that they recovered rifles, Molotov cocktails, bombs, and zip ties indicating that a “greater disaster was narrowly adverted.”

Per recent reports, they got the Vice President out 2 minutes after the room *could have* been breached... but the rioters took a wrong turn chasing a cop.

Heard on the news this morning that the Capitol Chief of Police asked the Sergeant of Arms for both houses for help (National Guard) and both denied him. Pelosi then asks him to resign. That lady needs to go.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/backup-was-denied-former-capitol-police-chief-says/

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/9555...ims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

You may have been outraged by what happened this summer, but the point some are trying to make, is that there didn't appear to be much outrage from the left particularly the media when the riots were happening.

It is being narrow minded if you think what happened in the summer isn't related to what happened in D.C. What happened in D.C. is a result of what happened in the summer.

100% absolutely not. This happened becasue Trump lost the election and him and the GOP lied about it repeatedly since November. This has 0 to do with BLM.

Its completely dishonest to suggest otherwise. This wasnt the "IM PISSED OFF ABOUT BLM" march.....it was the "STOP THE STEAL" insurrection. Nothing more. There were no refences to BLM made by Trump, Guiliani, or any of the other speakers at the white house that day. It was 100% about the lie that Trump won the election.

Its my opinion that R's who voted for trump are having a hard time accepting that their likeminded brethren did what they did and need something to make themselves feel better about what happened. I cant help you accept this fact. I can only point out that trying to tie this to BLM is completely wrong. R's need to do some soul searching and figure out if they want to continue to support a fascist group of people who support racism, nazis and conspiracy theorists.

 

[Blazers46]

Heard on the news this morning that the Capitol Chief of Police asked the Sergeant of Arms for both houses for help (National Guard) and both denied him. Pelosi then asks him to resign. That lady needs to go.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/backup-was-denied-former-capitol-police-chief-says/

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/9555...ims-national-guard-was-never-called-during-ri

Its sort of a interesting thought that the difference between inpeachment and it not even being a thought could have just been a lack of security. Adequate security this never happens and Trumps speech is just another Trump speech.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Its sort of a interesting thought that the difference between inpeachment and it not even being a thought could have just been a lack of security. Adequate security this never happens and Trumps speech is just another Trump speech.

Did you watch Trump and Guiliani and Juniors speech at the White House before they marched to the Capitol? If you have not you should becasue you wouldnot have posted this. If you did I cant believe you posted this.

Lets just say there was more security that wasnt denied. That would not have stopped these people who showed up armed, with guns, moltov cocktails, pipe bombs and military surplus gear being riles up and told to march to the Capitol by Trump and fight to force Congress to overturn the certification. It would not have stopped them from seeking out Congressional people to execute including Mike Pence. If they killed one cop they would have killed more

It certainly was a failure of not being prepared but I dont think it was on Pelosi, rather Trumps admin for not being ready. DC, Maryland and Virginia couldnt send in NG becasue DOD has control over NG in DC. THey took nearly 2 hours to allow it and even then there was no plan or coordination. It was far too late to do anything at that point as these people had already been in the buildign for multiple hours. Blaming Pelosi is unbelievably naive.

 

[Legacy]

You may have been outraged by what happened this summer, but the point some are trying to make, is that there didn't appear to be much outrage from the left particularly the media when the riots were happening.

It is being narrow minded if you think what happened in the summer isn't related to what happened in D.C. What happened in D.C. is a result of what happened in the summer.

I'm not following the logic here. Do you mean that if what happened this summer didn't and Biden got elected and subsequently Trump reacted the same, there would not have been an attack on the Capitol in an act of domestic terrorism?

If George Floyd had not been killed by the policeman, we would have avoided what happened this summer, thereby there would have been no Capitol invasion?

If Biden hadn't been elected by the majority of Americans and won the majority of electoral votes, there wouldn't have been violence. So Biden's election was the cause of the terrorists' actions?

 

[TorontoGold]

100% absolutely not. This happened becasue Trump lost the election and him and the GOP lied about it repeatedly since November. This has 0 to do with BLM.

Its completely dishonest to suggest otherwise. This wasnt the "IM PISSED OFF ABOUT BLM" march.....it was the "STOP THE STEAL" insurrection. Nothing more. There were no refences to BLM made by Trump, Guiliani, or any of the other speakers at the white house that day. It was 100% about the lie that Trump won the election.

Its my opinion that R's who voted for trump are having a hard time accepting that their likeminded brethren did what they did and need something to make themselves feel better about what happened. I cant help you accept this fact. I can only point out that trying to tie this to BLM is completely wrong. R's need to do some soul searching and figure out if they want to continue to support a fascist group of people who support racism, nazis and conspiracy theorists.

The wilful ignorance to ignore what happened in Charlottesville continues. Same actors who were there are the ones who were in DC. I'll never understand the need to defend the Proud Boys, I still remember multiple posters telling me they were not white nationalists or antisemtic. The same posters are very quiet now.

 

[IrishLion]

I can see the logic that some involved with the capitol riots might have thought, "if the left can riot for weeks over the BLM movement, then it is okay for us to riot at the capitol over a stolen election."

I get that logical jump. If they can do it, we can do it.

So maybe the summer riots ARE precursors to the 'incident' in DC.

The problem, IMO, is that those inspired to riot on behalf of Trump and a stolen election were sold a bill of goods by a man that doesn't actually care about them at all.

Of course, you can make the argument that those protesting on behalf of the BLM movement were ALSO sold a bill of goods by the BLM organization, which has its share of issues... and that might be true, but there is still validity to protesting on behalf of social justice issues based on race, which are prevalent, regardless of the motivations of certain shady individuals that take prominence in the movement.

But there's more evidence of wide-ranging racial injustice than there is of a stolen election. And while the BLM riots did go after federal property, those localized but wide-ranging incidents don't really compare to a mob targeting the very seat of our nation's power during the electoral process, IMO.

 

[Legacy]

I can see the logic that some involved with the capitol riots might have thought, "if the left can riot for weeks over the BLM movement, then it is okay for us to riot at the capitol over a stolen election."

I get that logical jump. If they can do it, we can do it.

So maybe the summer riots ARE precursors to the 'incident' in DC.

The problem, IMO, is that those inspired to riot on behalf of Trump and a stolen election were sold a bill of goods by a man that doesn't actually care about them at all.

Of course, you can make the argument that those protesting on behalf of the BLM movement were ALSO sold a bill of goods by the BLM organization, which has its share of issues... but then you have to try and argue that social justice issues based on race don't really exist on a wide scale.

But there's more evidence of wide-ranging racial injustice than there is of a stolen election. And while the BLM riots did go after federal property, those localized but wide-ranging incidents don't really compare to a mob targeting the very seat of our nation's power during the electoral process, IMO.

An intentional or unintentional consequence?

 

[Redbar]

You may have been outraged by what happened this summer, but the point some are trying to make, is that there didn't appear to be much outrage from the left particularly the media when the riots were happening.

It is being narrow minded if you think what happened in the summer isn't related to what happened in D.C. What happened in D.C. is a result of what happened in the summer.

Right! Broad minds think it is liberals’ fault that Donald Trump provoked right wing extremist to attack the Capital on the exact day they were to certify THE ELECTION, got it! BLM’s fault they erected a gallows for Vice President Pence, I guess Antifa’s fault that they turned on Senator Graham at the airport.

Makes sense. I guess it was George Floyd’s fault he got murdered for having a (fake?) twenty dollar bill. Who’s fault was Charlottesville?

Edit: A few quicker minds already responded to that broad minded drivel.

 

[TorontoGold]

[/B]

Right! Broad minds think it is liberals’ fault that Donald Trump provoked right wing extremist to attack the Capital on the exact day they were to certify THE ELECTION, got it! BLM’s fault they erected a gallows for Vice President Pence, I guess Antifa’s fault that they turned on Senator Graham at the airport.

Makes sense. I guess it was George Floyd’s fault he got murdered for having a (fake?) twenty dollar bill. Who’s fault was Charlottesville?

It is time for healing and understanding the plight of the Trump voter*


*Isn't it ironic it's always tHE tRuMp voter isn't heard? But never a word for people of colour or LGBTQ? If those darn black and gay people just shut up!

 

[Legacy]

Can I assume it was an unintentional consequence that combined with Biden's election and Trump's rhetoric and call for a rally that occasioned a minority of "bad actors" to attack Congress?

Certainly everyone that was outraged at what happened over the summer did not involve themselves in the terrorism, which to me does not imply causation.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Marches? OK. Those are likely "just" spurred (partly) by precedents in the news.

Screaming and hollering? OK to a degree --- pretty childish and almost always ineffective no matter who's doing it, but "OK" and possibly spurred on by precedents in the news.

Actual planned violence? That's not OK. And that's not "just" spurred on by the news. That's due to morally defective people doing the planning. (Whoever's "planning" violence.) If others who were not planners, but there to scream and holler, get swept into the violence and begin wreaking it themselves, they too are defective weak-minded individuals capable of being emotionally manipulated by malice-aforethought leaders. They are still morally liable for their violent actions. Whoever they are.

If absentee leaders deliberately create atmospheres conducive to violence, that is not OK. Depending upon anyone's Common Sense as to whether such creation of an atmosphere will in actuality produce potential violence, it is morally reprehensible to "gamble" in creating such atmospheres deliberately.

Marching and screaming and hollering: OK in America, often admired.
Planned violence:REALLY NOT OK.
Swept up and diving into it: still definitely NOT OK.
Deliberately creating an atmosphere with serious potential for violence: definitely NOT OK. Self-centered gambling with lives, and futures of fellow citizens well-being: Flat immoral. Probably should be illegal but we are awfully liberal on letting such gambling-with-lives-for-personal-gain behavior slide.

"Oh. He didn't MEAN it."

I think in the DC case, "He" is plenty "mean" enough to have created that problem environment.