Trump Presidency

[Bluto]

Ask them what they have in mind for how to help their poorest

Complete freedom from socialism and sharia law?

 

[TorontoGold]

Complete freedom from socialism and sharia law?

Amen brother, and we should be....uhhhh....subsidizing small businesses so they don't hire those damn illegals! No no, that's not a form of socialism. It's just some help!

 

[Legacy]

Sen Hawley's objection to Congress's certification of Pennsylvania's votes was that the state law passed in 2019 led by Republican leaders in both houses of the legislature was illegal because it conflicted with their Constitution. All votes cast by mail should be disqualified. This was the case Rep Mike Kelly brought first into state courts and then federal Appeals Court. Both lost. A request for the case to be heard before SCOTUS was made to Alito. SCOTUS rejected it and affirmed the decision of the Appeals Court. Hawley, as an attorney and former AG in Missouri, was well aware of this, but he would raise his fist to the MAGA crowd and be sending out requests for donations during that time.

A couple of significant reactions from Missouri:
Donor who gave millions to Hawley urges Senate to censure him for 'irresponsible' behavior (the hill)

‘The biggest mistake I’ve ever made.’ Danforth rues mentoring Hawley, blames him for riot (KC Star) Danforth, formerthree term Repub. Sen from Mo and Mo AG, mentored Hawley.

The Catholic Church has been more general in response to some who have called his high school in KC : (KC Star)

The letter from Rockhurst offered a broader criticism of the mob scene Wednesday.

“On behalf of our school’s educational mission, in conjunction with the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and their January 6th statement, the actions that took place yesterday at our Nation’s Capital which crossed a boundary from freedom of expression to crime are to be condemned. The consequences of those actions ring loud and far. A growing society which shows contempt and intolerance for our treasured heritage of plurality, process, and dignified disagreement cannot continue.

“I call upon all of our elected officials, including our graduate Senator Josh Hawley, to conduct their own examination of conscience on this matter. If wrong occurs, one ought to seek atonement and reconciliation. These are the Christian principles Rockhurst teaches when wrong has occurred.”

Other responses:
'Traitors to the country': Military veterans in Congress accuse Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley of helping incite the fatal violence on Capitol Hill (Yahoo)

GOP Sen. Josh Hawley was isolated 'in a corner' of a secure room 'with no one talking to him or acknowledging him' during Capitol siege: WSJ (Business Insider)

Sen. Tom Cotton blames DC riots on Hawley and Cruz for misleading Trump supporters (katv, Little Rock)

 

[Legacy]

We are all aware of McConnell's call before the count that all objections to the certification of state electoral votes and force a divisive vote when there was no chance of changing the outcome and advocate for millions of votes to be disqualified.

Tom Cotton also said:

“You have some senators who, for political advantage, were giving false hope to their supporters, misleading them into thinking that somehow yesterday’s actions in Congress could reverse the results of the election. That was never going to happen, yet these senators, as insurrectionists literally stormed the Capitol, were sending out fund-raising emails. That shouldn’t have happened, and it’s got to stop now.”

As for Ted Cruz:
Houston Chronicle calls on Cruz to resign (The Hill)

The Chronicle, which has been a vocal critic of Cruz over the years, wrote in an opinion piece Friday that the senator’s actions helped fuel Wednesday’s deadly pro-Trump mob at the Capitol.

The Texas senator "knew exactly what he was doing, what he was risking and who he was inciting as he stood on the Senate floor Wednesday and passionately fed the farce of election fraud even as a seething crowd of believers was being whipped up by President Trump a short distance away," the editorial board wrote.

The editorial board blasted what it called "Cruz's cynical gamble," saying he "peddled his phony concern for the integrity of our elections, he argued that senators who voted to certify Biden’s victory would be telling tens of millions of Americans to ‘jump in a lake’ and that their concerns don’t matter."

The editorial board then addressed Cruz directly, arguing that “those terrorists wouldn’t have been at the Capitol if you hadn’t staged this absurd challenge to the 2020 results in the first place.”.

I disagree with the last statement. Those terrorists were coming regardless to "save the country" and exact a measure of violent response.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Hilarious seeing all these free market zealots who oppose regulation crying in their beers over the tech sector of the market kicking them in the balls.

If the president has something to say, hold a press conference.

They just need to put it in GOPspeak. Pretend Twitter is a bakery and Trump was ordering a gay wedding cake.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Saw a post on Parlr tagged as a White House account. It says Trump wants to pardon anyone at the insurrection but he needs their info. It says if you send your name, address and any crimes you think you might need a pardon, to that account it will forward on.

Curious as if it’s true it’s outrageous. If it’s a FBI fake account it’s hilarious.

 

[Legacy]

Saw a post on Parlr tagged as a White House account. It says Trump wants to pardon anyone at the insurrection but he needs their info. It says if you send your name, address and any crimes you think you might need a pardon, to that account it will forward on.

Curious as if it’s true it’s outrageous. If it’s a FBI fake account it’s hilarious.

The latter was my immediate thought. "Please provide relevant details and locations. IT would assist the President by providing names of anyone else in your group that he needs to pardon. We need to distinguish between all possible false claims."

The Seattle PD has placed two policemen on leave to investigate any involvement beyond attendance. They had been identified from photos on social media. One would hope that no off-duty cops would have shown badges to get the barricades dropped.

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...dnesday-riots-placed-on-administrative-leave/

 

[Blazers46]

Saw a post on Parlr tagged as a White House account. It says Trump wants to pardon anyone at the insurrection but he needs their info. It says if you send your name, address and any crimes you think you might need a pardon, to that account it will forward on.

Curious as if it’s true it’s outrageous. If it’s a FBI fake account it’s hilarious.

Probabaly niether.

 

[Blazers46]

There is only one reason why one carries flex cuffs, and private citizens are generally not legally allowed to detain another citizen via something like a shackle, handcuff, etc. Especially absent something like the threat of death, rape, or serious bodily harm.

These fuckers need to be found and eliminated from this lifetime.

Fascinating that the camp that screams about one sides conspiracies lacking evidence will post and believe their sides conspiracies lacking evidence.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Check this thread out from 12/21/20

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1341016471795843080?s=21

 

[arahop]

Fascinating that the camp that screams about one sides conspiracies lacking evidence will post and believe their sides conspiracies lacking evidence.

Another day and another comparison to what trump's nazi's did at the Capitol being the same as race riots.

Takes like so many on here are a disgrace to America.

I don't understand the trump nazi sympathizer point of views like this.

 

[TorontoGold]

Check this thread out from 12/21/20

https://twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1341016471795843080?s=21

But Biden (crime bill guy) and Harris (Prosecuter) organized the Antifa riots. Russia, Russia, Russia!

 

[Rocket89]

Did someone say no one from IE would've been part of the storming of the Capitol?

I'm not sure we can put those odds at 0%.

 

[arahop]

Did someone say no one from IE would've been part of the storming of the Capitol?

I'm not sure we can put those odds at 0%.

trump nazis everywhere...

I'm sure it's just a Notre Dame hater trying to frame ND and throw us in the dirt

I'd start with the trump nazi sympathizers and radicals....

 

[SonofOahu]

Hilarious seeing all these free market zealots who oppose regulation crying in their beers over the tech sector of the market kicking them in the balls.

If the president has something to say, hold a press conference.

Just gotta tell 'em "gay wedding cakes, y'all. Gay cakes."

 

[yankeehater]

Anyone ever hear about this affidavit out of Italy about our election? Power is currently out to 57 million in Italy including Vatican City and Rome. The conspiracy is the two are somehow tied together. I did notice Pakistan had a major power outage and trying to verify Iran as well. May just be that they all forgot to pay their electric bills.

 

[Legacy]

Mormons were taken aback to learn...

Jana Riess: At the Capitol, we saw the best and the worst of U.S. Mormonism
The man who dangled from the Senate balcony is a returned LDS missionary — to our shame. But Mitt Romney showed some of the best qualities of our religion.

The man who “hopped down” into the Senate chambers during Wednesday’s assault on the U.S. Capitol has been identified as Josiah Colt, a former missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, according to East Idaho News.

“I was the first one that hopped down into the chamber,” he bragged, “and I was the first one to sit in Nancy Pelosi — that b----, her ... she’s a traitor, she’s treasonous.”

Just so we’re clear: Someone who had literally just participated in an act of domestic terrorism to disrupt the functioning of the U.S. government here accused the House speaker of being a traitor. While calling her the B-word.

Oh, and while we’re at it? He also confused the House and the Senate. That was Mike Pence’s seat he occupied, not Pelosi’s. Pence, the vice president whose execution was called for by some of the armed insurgents. Thankfully, Pence had been ushered to safety just minutes before.

Colt’s reprehensible involvement was not the only Mormon sighting at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday. Also pictured in the crowd of Trumpublicans was a man carrying a “standard of liberty” flag, a reference to the character of Captain Moroni from the church’s signature scripture, the Book of Mormon.

“In memory of our God, our religion, and freedom, and our peace, our wives, and our children,” the flag read.

In the past year, trying to do his job as a U.S. senator in the chaos of the Trump administration, Romney has continued to be vocal in his criticisms — even to the point of being the only Republican senator to vote to remove Trump from office in early 2020 after he was impeached by the House.

In explaining his decision, Romney pointed to old-fashioned values like honesty and integrity. Values he had learned as a lifelong Latter-day Saint. He said he had taken an oath before God to exercise impartial justice and that he had a duty to honor that oath.

In an interview with Chris Wallace of Fox News, Wallace cautioned, “Donald Trump will never forgive you for this.” Romney replied with the words of a classic Mormon hymn: “Do what is right. Let the consequence follow.”

Later, when the Senate reconvened to formally accept the election’s certification, Romney was equally clear about the danger Trump has posed to the nation.

“We gather due to a selfish man’s injured pride, and the outrage of supporters who he has deliberately misinformed for the past two months and stirred to action this very morning . . . What happened here today was an insurrection incited by the president of the United States.”

So to Mitt Romney, I want to say thank you for being a voice of reason in the Republican Party and the nation. Thank you for standing for values that are supposed to define what it means to be a Latter-day Saint.

Romney's full statement:

Sen. Mitt Romney: Calling upon our better angels
The Republican senator for Utah reflects on what it will take to heal America’s ‘social sickness’

By Mitt Romney Jan 6, 2021, 10:34pm MST

I didn’t think it would happen here.

The divisiveness, the resentment, the suspicion, the anger that pervades so many countries seemed foreign to the people I had met during my campaigns only a decade or so ago. What impressed me most about my fellow Americans was the optimism, the sense of purpose and the willingness to help one another. The Great Recession had not made us bitter; it seemed to have made us more determined to pull together and cheer each other on. (cont)

Who we choose to lead us shapes our society. I believe that it is our national character that made America the greatest nation on earth, that the public personal character of leaders like Washington, Lincoln, Reagan and Truman had more influence on us than even the policies they promoted. Today when I vote, I pay as much attention to the character of the candidate as I do to their policies. If we choose leaders who inflame resentment and division, our nation will be angry and divided. We have a choice to make: Would we rather have our “side” win to punish the “other side” or would we rather have our nation united?

 

[IrishLax]

Anyone ever hear about this affidavit out of Italy about our election? Power is currently out to 57 million in Italy including Vatican City and Rome. The conspiracy is the two are somehow tied together. I did notice Pakistan had a major power outage and trying to verify Iran as well. May just be that they all forgot to pay their electric bills.

https://conservativefiringline.com/...r-warfare-to-switch-votes-for-trump-to-biden/

We don't do conspiracy theories on this board, we've told people this repeatedly. Like every other whacked out QAnon conspiracy before it, this one will be proven untrue or be forgotten about because there is no evidence to support it. I'm still waiting for the server with the "real" voter data that was seized from Germany to show up and show Trump won California.

The idea that Italy rigged the US election is so stupid and so outlandish that you should start questioning everything about where you get your news.

 

[NDRock]

We don't do conspiracy theories on this board, we've told people this repeatedly. Like every other whacked out QAnon conspiracy before it, this one will be proven untrue or be forgotten about because there is no evidence to support it. I'm still waiting for the server with the "real" voter data that was seized from Germany to show up and show Trump won California.

The idea that Italy rigged the US election is so stupid and so outlandish that you should start questioning everything about where you get your news.

I’m always amazed at these vast conspiracies that involve multiple nations and untold number of individuals, yet there’s never any actual proof. No hard evidence ever comes out. Then, we just move to the next one without ever acknowledging the last one was all bullshit

 

[Blazers46]

Just gotta tell 'em "gay wedding cakes, y'all. Gay cakes."

There’s a huge difference between big tech and a small bakery. A small town baker does not control the what’s put in front of 99% of the people. The left should be worried just as much as anyone. When it’s their turn to be on the side of censorship they will be singing a different tune. We have a handful of white men controlling what the whole nation sees or hears. Where is BLM on this one?

 

[TorontoGold]

There’s a huge difference between big tech and a small bakery. A small town baker does not control the what’s put in front of 99% of the people. The left should be worried just as much as anyone. When it’s their turn to be on the side of censorship they will be singing a different tune. We have a handful of white men controlling what the whole nation sees or hears. Where is BLM on this one?

There is some good Twitter threads of Leftists that have been banned. Digging deeper into them will show you they did a lot of insane shit.

The guy who sent out a pretty racially charged tweet about when the looting starts the shooting starts, isn't going to get much support fr BLM. But, you knew that.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

There’s a huge difference between big tech and a small bakery. A small town baker does not control the what’s put in front of 99% of the people. The left should be worried just as much as anyone. When it’s their turn to be on the side of censorship they will be singing a different tune. We have a handful of white men controlling what the whole nation sees or hears. Where is BLM on this one?

I don’t think so. If the concept is as universal as strict constitutionalists claim there is no difference.

 

[Bluto]

There’s a huge difference between big tech and a small bakery. A small town baker does not control the what’s put in front of 99% of the people. The left should be worried just as much as anyone. When it’s their turn to be on the side of censorship they will be singing a different tune. We have a handful of white men controlling what the whole nation sees or hears. Where is BLM on this one?

How about big oil and gas? Or the military industrial complex? Or the finance sector? Or corporate AG? If one has been arguing for “deregulation” within and even subsidizing those industries (that have caused and or are causing demonstrable harm to large segments of the population and or the planet as a whole ) I’m not sure why you’d get all bent out of shape over Twitter and Facebook. A little consistency would be nice.

Tweeting is not a constitutional right it’s a privilege and with that said I’d imagine many involved with BLM would like people like Rubio to be as outraged about roadblocks put in place to voting as they are about the inability of certain individuals being able to tweet.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

How about big oil and gas? Or the military industrial complex? Or the finance sector? Or corporate AG? If one has been arguing for “deregulation” within and even subsidizing those industries (that have caused and or are causing demonstrable harm to large segments of the population and or the planet as a whole ) I’m not sure why you’d get all bent out of shape over Twitter and Facebook. A little consistency would be nice.

Tweeting is not a constitutional right it’s a privilege and with that said I’d imagine many involved with BLM would like people like Rubio to be as outraged about roadblocks put in place to voting as they are about the inability of certain individuals being able to tweet.

Right. Twitter users much like users here sign and agree to terms of usage. There are clear violations and others that require some amount of judication but the ultimate arbiter is the owner of the IP. That is their right. Your privilege ends there. No ones ability to go outside and scream into the wind is being infringed.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Video of the cop being dragged out and beaten on the Capitol stairs. It’s not an easy watch.

https://twitter.com/jannwolfe/status/1348327073773985802?s=21

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[Legacy]

Amazon, Google, and Apple are dropping Parler Apps from their sites for failure to follow their basic rules for policing their site for violent content and crime. For those users who currently have that app, it will be unavailable after the sites' future updates.

Amazon’s move meant that Parler’s entire platform would soon go offline unless it was able to find a new hosting service on Sunday.

A day earlier, Parler appeared poised to capitalize on growing anger at Silicon Valley in conservative circles and was even a logical choice to become Mr. Trump’s next megaphone after he was kicked off Twitter. Now its future is looking bleak. Amazon said that it had sent the company 98 examples of posts on its site that encouraged violence and that many remained active. “We have always supported diverse points of view being represented on the App Store, but there is no place on our platform for threats of violence and illegal activity,” Apple said in a statement.

Amazon Web Services supports a large share of the websites and apps across the internet, while Apple and Google make the operating systems that back nearly all of the world’s smartphones.

Other platforms that host posts by right-wing influencers, including CloutHub and MyMilitia — a forum for militia groups — adjusted their terms of service recently to ban threats of violence.

DLive, a livestreaming site that rioters storming the Capitol used to broadcast the moment, said on Friday that it had indefinitely suspended seven channels and permanently removed over 100 previous broadcasts of the mob. It added that the “lemons,” a DLive currency that can be converted into real money, sent to the suspended channels would be refunded to donors in the next few days.

DLive was pressured by Tipalti, a payment company that helps it operate. Tilpati said in a statement that it had suspended its service until DLive removed the accounts that had broadcast the riots on Wednesday.

Such third-party companies that help apps and websites function, from payment processors to cybersecurity firms to web-hosting providers like Amazon, have used their positions to influence how their customers handle extremist or criminal activity. In 2019, Cloudflare, a company that protects sites from cyberattacks, effectively delivered the death knell to 8chan, an anonymous online message board that hosted the manifesto of a mass shooter, by halting its protections for the site.

Parler could have the same problem now that it lacked a way to host its website, particularly as the company suddenly became a pariah after Wednesday’s riot, which was partially planned on Parler.

If Parler is able to find a provider and resume its service, it will still have an uphill journey to find new users without a place in the major app stores.

Excerpts from: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/09/...action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

About f-ing time. These sites bear some responsibility for providing communication for these domestic terrorists to coordinate their actions. Parler may be dead by Monday and the terrorists may have less ability to plan for activity on Inauguration Day.

 

[Legacy]

Horrible. Those were BLM and the antifa though.

 

[SonofOahu]

Fascinating that the camp that screams about one sides conspiracies lacking evidence will post and believe their sides conspiracies lacking evidence.

I'm not a conspiracy guy, but I'm going to start believing the rumor that you're in a cabal looking to short the apostrophe market in hopes of disrupting the punctuation economy.

 

[SonofOahu]

Did someone say no one from IE would've been part of the storming of the Capitol?

I'm not sure we can put those odds at 0%.

Loomis, for sure.