Trump Presidency

[SonofOahu]

There’s a huge difference between big tech and a small bakery. A small town baker does not control the what’s put in front of 99% of the people. The left should be worried just as much as anyone. When it’s their turn to be on the side of censorship they will be singing a different tune. We have a handful of white men controlling what the whole nation sees or hears. Where is BLM on this one?

Both are non-governmental entities free to determine their course of business. It doesn't matter if it's Mega-Giant Company, Inc. or Sole Proprietor, LLC. If they're not infringing on protected classes, there's nothing illegal about it. Morons claiming 1st Amendment rights obviously have no idea what they're talking about.

Those of us in the middle are happy to wait for the morons to join us in reality.

 

[IrishRazor82]

Not condoning what happened at the capitol, just like I don't condone what was ignored and subtlety pushed all summer long.

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1347916542076350464

 

[TorontoGold]

Not condoning what happened at the capitol, just like I don't condone what was ignored and subtlety pushed all summer long.

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1347916542076350464

Your chart says no outrage regarding the Antifa stuff - looking at this thread I could swear there's at least some republicans mad at Antifa?

Best to look over the charts you post, even if they are the Live, Laugh, Love QAnon equivalent.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Not condoning what happened at the capitol, just like I don't condone what was ignored and subtlety pushed all summer long.

https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1347916542076350464

This poster is also pushing the Antifa infiltrated the insurrectionists bullshit too. Stop with this comparing it to BLm protests and Antifa bullshit. MAGA did this. They killed a cop and attempted to take over the largest power center in our nation while the line of succession btw Trump and Pompeo was in the same location. They erected a gallows. They had zip tie hand cuffs. They had fire arms and explosives. It was coordinated and executed and very well could have succeeded.

 

[IrishRazor82]

This poster is also pushing the Antifa infiltrated the insurrectionists bullshit too. Stop with this comparing it to BLm protests and Antifa bullshit. MAGA did this. They killed a cop and attempted to take over the largest power center in our nation while the line of succession btw Trump and Pompeo was in the same location. They erected a gallows. They had zip tie hand cuffs. They had fire arms and explosives. It was coordinated and executed and very well could have succeeded.

... It either seems like you're completely unaware of the terror that happened this summer, or simply being fraudulent. I mean what on earth is going on here lol.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

... It either seems like you're completely unaware of the terror that happened this summer, or simply being fraudulent. I mean what on earth is going on here lol.

It’s neither. And I’m sick of this false dichotomy. No one here is happy with what went down this summer but they are completely unrelated and completely not the same. The BLm has arisen from multiple years of documented instances of unfair justice and police executions. These are real and tangible and documented. The anger is understandable. The violence is unacceptable. It WAS NOT SEDITION AND INSURRECTION spurred on by politicians and our president.

This insurrection was based on lies, conspiracy theories and has ZERO fucking basis in reality and was pushed by GOP. Only the GOP and a great many members of the GOP. They took over the Capitol building with literally #2-#5 in the line of succession plus our ENTIRE LEGISLATIVE BODY in there. This was a coup. It’s being shown they were there to execute and capture political people.

I’m not gonna sit here and get accused of not being upset at the BLM movement 4 months ago just because your political party tried to execute a coup based on completely fabricated lie.

The only reason you are posting this is to whitewash the current situation. It has fuck all to do with what’s currently going on. How I feel about BLM has zero bearing on how I feel about this and the only reason it keeps getting brought up is to deflect your own cognitive dissonance

 

[BilboBaggins]

It’s neither. And I’m sick of this false dichotomy. No one here is happy with what went down this summer but they are completely unrelated and completely not the same. The BLm has arisen from multiple years of documented instances of unfair justice and police executions. These are real and tangible and documented. The anger is understandable. The violence is unacceptable. It WAS NOT SEDITION AND INSURRECTION spurred on by politicians and our president.

This insurrection was based on lies, conspiracy theories and has ZERO fucking basis in reality and was pushed by GOP. Only the GOP and a great many members of the GOP. They took over the Capitol building with literally #2-#5 in the line of succession plus our ENTIRE LEGISLATIVE BODY in there. This was a coup. It’s being shown they were there to execute and capture political people.

I’m not gonna sit here and get accused of not being upset at the BLM movement 4 months ago just because your political party tried to execute a coup based on completely fabricated lie.

The only reason you are posting this is to whitewash the current situation. It has fuck all to do with what’s currently going on.

There were other fires in Germany throughout the 1930s, yet only the Reichstag Fire is mentioned in the history books. ...I wonder why? #AllFiresMatter

Hey why haven't we seen Back The Blue and End of Watch posts about the police officer murdered by MAGA rioters?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

... It either seems like you're completely unaware of the terror that happened this summer, or simply being fraudulent. I mean what on earth is going on here lol.

You may not know this so I will forgive you but I live in the same place where Dylan Roof executed 9 black people in their church and was taken alive and bought a hamburger on his way to jail. I’m also in the place where Rodney Scott was shot in the back by a cop as part of a traffic stop. I also live in the area where there are plantations, slave houses and the former Slave Market is still present and open. My wife works on a community task force with the mayor on working with cops and the black community to foster trust and communication instead of violence. I also live in a place where there are confederate monuments on every corner and the Confederate flag might as well be the default flag.

Please don’t condescend me on my knowledge or feelings of the Black Lives Matter or cancel culture or their importance to my community and my family.

So please forgive me when I see a mob of angry white conspiracy theorists pissed because their guy lost fair and square take the confederate flag while wearing Nazi and racist gear into the Capitol during an insurrection while they hunt down politicians they want to execute.

 

[Legacy]

... It either seems like you're completely unaware of the terror that happened this summer, or simply being fraudulent. I mean what on earth is going on here lol.

We're all aware of what went on this summer. You should be able to call Cack something other than "fraudulent". If you aren't "condoning what happened at the capitol", why post a comparison from a Tweet that purports to make it less serious? If time is your point, tell me you don't think it will take three months of what happened in DC before you accept equality in actions.

After acting Homeland Security Secretary Chad Wolf's called the violence from Trump’s supporters that invaded the Capitol and force legislators into lockdown and police fighting for their lives “tragic and sickening”, Trump has withdrawn Wolf's name from nomination. Wolf sent federal agents to Portland this summer.

Acting Secretary Wolf Condemns Violence at The U.S. Capitol (dhs.gov)
January 7, 2021

"What transpired yesterday was tragic and sickening. While I have consistently condemned political violence on both sides of the aisle, specifically violence directed at law enforcement, we now see some supporters of the President using violence as a means to achieve political ends. This is unacceptable. These violent actions are unconscionable, and I implore the President and all elected officials to strongly condemn the violence that took place yesterday.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Holy shit

https://twitter.com/natashabertrand/status/1348387250397192192?s=21

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Colin Powell announced he is no longer a Republican.

 

[BilboBaggins]

He should have become an independent the moment Rumsfeld lied to his face about the WMD intelligence and had him do the infamous United Nations stunt.

 

[IrishLax]

Your chart says no outrage regarding the Antifa stuff - looking at this thread I could swear there's at least some republicans mad at Antifa?

Best to look over the charts you post, even if they are the Live, Laugh, Love QAnon equivalent.

He's being completely disingenuous and ignoring the posts that have tried to productively engage with him. That graphic he just shared was a joke.

"Condemned mostly by Republicans" ... when pages ago he was provided links showing Biden was publicly & emphatically speaking out against riots, violence, and property destruction in May and June.

"14 officers injured" ... that's anti-factual, the number is 50+

Pretty much the whole thing is a lazy misrepresentation of the situation.

But worse is the title graphic... "your outrage is manufactured".... no, it isn't. Trust me, my outrage over people storming the capital chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!" after erecting a gallows and brandishing tools for kidnapping is quite legitimate. My outrage over the murdered police officer is also quite legitimate, as is my outrage over an attempted coup that failed by only seconds... literally, if they had not taken a wrong turn, they would've entered the senate with bombs and weapons before they could evacuate the elected officials.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Colin Powell announced he is no longer a Republican.

When was he EVER a Republican? He served both parties in various roles and was courted to run by both parties.

 

[NorthDakota]

Colin Powell announced he is no longer a Republican.

He hasn't voted for a Republican since Bush so.... yeah I mean... this isn't news

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

When was he EVER a Republican? He served both parties in various roles and was courted to run by both parties.

Well I guess since HE considered himself a Republican and now no longer one is all that matters and is all the point.

And imagine being able to work for different political parties and still maintain your ideology. Crazy shit right there. Totally a negative against him. Lol. Smh I must be confused because for the last 12 years all I heard was how Dems are so partisan. Lmao

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

He's being completely disingenuous and ignoring the posts that have tried to productively engage with him. That graphic he just shared was a joke.

"Condemned mostly by Republicans" ... when pages ago he was provided links showing Biden was publicly & emphatically speaking out against riots, violence, and property destruction in May and June.

"14 officers injured" ... that's anti-factual, the number is 50+

Pretty much the whole thing is a lazy misrepresentation of the situation.

But worse is the title graphic... "your outrage is manufactured".... no, it isn't. Trust me, my outrage over people storming the capital chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!" after erecting a gallows and brandishing tools for kidnapping is quite legitimate. My outrage over the murdered police officer is also quite legitimate, as is my outrage over an attempted coup that failed by only seconds... literally, if they had not taken a wrong turn, they would've entered the senate with bombs and weapons before they could evacuate the elected officials.

Let me add to your outrage:... one of the new Qanon women reps from Colorado was live tweeting and she literally tweeted out that Pelosi was not in chamber anymore after the Capitol was Breeched. They made it to Clyburns hidden work area...( how did they know where that was?) Just before she gave a ridiculous speech saying she had people outside she was representing. She was live tweeting Pelosis current sitrep.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Omg is Colin Powell’s republicanism under fire now?

 

[Ndaccountant]

Thought process for everyone. My wife and I were discussing this. Say tomorrow, Trump signs an EO banning politics on social media. Or, after the events of last week, Biden says he is initiating a ban first day in office. In this mental exercise, I am comfortable assuming that

1) 10-20% of the electorate would be pissed either way, no matter who initiates it.

2) 80-90% of the electorate would be in favor of it, so long as "their guy" was the one who did it.

She thought many more people would be against it no matter what, but I am not so sure. Everyone is so dug in, it's a matter of "my team".

On a side note, the merit of holding social media companies liable for their content (user generated or not) is really the only path forward from my perspective. I live around many Aussies and they are really proud of their social media laws. However, during their Covid lockdowns, there was a Gestapo like presence over people complaining about the mask mandates. There is a fine line, as with nearly everything else in life. But with all the studies showing how social media breeds extremism, impacts mental health and body image of our youth and has become purposefully addictive, now is the time to be over the top. Our country has never been as polarized politically according to Pew. Our political system is broken. America’s two-party system collapses debates into a singular battle line that can make our differences appear even larger than they may actually be. Social media only amplifies it and it's not to our benefit.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Omg is Colin Powell’s republicanism under fire now?

One of the traits that led the GOP into crazy-fringe authoritarian land is the invention of the RINO pejorative and the constant purity tests.

Can someone really blame Colin Powell, after the George W Bush administration weaponized the credibility that he had spent his career and life amassing? I mean seriously read a book bout how Rumsfeld and Co. played him and told him the intel was 100% rock solid and backed by the CIA chief. His performance at the UN is probably the most remembered pitch for Iraqi WMD...and he went in there and performed because the Bush administration just straight up lied to him.

Yeah, I'd stick my neck out and vote for Obama. And when Trump comes along you punt on that option too. I was a Republican until 2013 and completely empathize with a guy who watched the GOP turn hard right since the 1990s.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Thought process for everyone. My wife and I were discussing this. Say tomorrow, Trump signs an EO banning politics on social media. Or, after the events of last week, Biden says he is initiating a ban first day in office. In this mental exercise, I am comfortable assuming that

1) 10-20% of the electorate would be pissed either way, no matter who initiates it.

2) 80-90% of the electorate would be in favor of it, so long as "their guy" was the one who did it.

She thought many more people would be against it no matter what, but I am not so sure. Everyone is so dug in, it's a matter of "my team".

The Supreme Court would step in and strike it down in less than a week IMO.

On a side note, the merit of holding social media companies liable for their content (user generated or not) is really the only path forward from my perspective. I live around many Aussies and they are really proud of their social media laws. However, during their Covid lockdowns, there was a Gestapo like presence over people complaining about the mask mandates. There is a fine line, as with nearly everything else in life. But with all the studies showing how social media breeds extremism, impacts mental health and body image of our youth and has become purposefully addictive, now is the time to be over the top. Our country has never been as polarized politically according to Pew. Our political system is broken. America’s two-party system collapses debates into a singular battle line that can make our differences appear even larger than they may actually be. Social media only amplifies it and it's not to our benefit.

As I stated on here recently, the tech companies know the Democrats are going to want to take a hatchet to them and break them up. It's the big reason they're stepping up to Trump, Parler, etc.

All I can really said is that when government gets into speech, legally speaking, it's not going to be a smooth ride. And there's a big chance the ultra-conservative Supreme Court will strike down any regulation limiting speech.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The Supreme Court would step in and strike it down in less than a week IMO.



As I stated on here recently, the tech companies know the Democrats are going to want to take a hatchet to them and break them up. It's the big reason they're stepping up to Trump, Parler, etc.

All I can really said is that when government gets into speech, legally speaking, it's not going to be a smooth ride. And there's a big chance the ultra-conservative Supreme Court will strike down any regulation limiting speech.

The first part was a mental exercise to display the level of partisan divide we have in the country. Not intended to say it would happen and stand.

The second part is meh, unless they are talking about liability. You want to break up Facebook....fine. Does that change how the new platforms are moderated from a content perspective? While their size is an issue, it's not THE issue. With firm control over congress and the WH, I would hope they could legislate smartly to avoid the SC overhang. It's limiting what people can say. It's just making sure there are penalties in place if such language is found to be as bad as yelling "fire" to create a stampede when there is none.

 

[GoIrish41]

When was he EVER a Republican? He served both parties in various roles and was courted to run by both parties.

He was Republican enough for many in your party to beg him to run for president after W shit the bed.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Just saw a poll on PBS Newshour that 70% of Republicans don't think Trump is to blame for the Capitol Building being stormed. Jesus Christ.

 

[IrishLax]

The Secretary of the Army just stated that there are 25 open domestic terrorism cases stemming from the Trump rally, and that they recovered rifles, Molotov cocktails, bombs, and zip ties indicating that a “greater disaster was narrowly adverted.”

Per recent reports, they got the Vice President out 2 minutes after the room *could have* been breached... but the rioters took a wrong turn chasing a cop.

 

[BilboBaggins]

The Secretary of the Army just stated that there are 25 open domestic terrorism cases stemming from the Trump rally, and that they recovered rifles, Molotov cocktails, bombs, and zip ties indicating that a “greater disaster was narrowly adverted.”

Per recent reports, they got the Vice President out 2 minutes after the room *could have* been breached... but the rioters took a wrong turn chasing a cop.

And if this isn't impeachable...what is?

 

[domer13]

The Secretary of the Army just stated that there are 25 open domestic terrorism cases stemming from the Trump rally, and that they recovered rifles, Molotov cocktails, bombs, and zip ties indicating that a “greater disaster was narrowly adverted.”

Per recent reports, they got the Vice President out 2 minutes after the room *could have* been breached... but the rioters took a wrong turn chasing a cop.

Any links to this?

 

[Legacy]

Exceptions to free speech protected by the First Amendment include speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, criminal act and threats, as well as things like speech that violates intellectual property law, and obscenity, fraud, child pornography. The private entities that provide access as gatekeepers and support for websites have drawn up policies that conform to those obligations to protect consumers and the public from these exceptions.

SCOTUS in Bradenburg v Ohio used a two-pronged test to evaluate speech acts: (1) speech can be prohibited if it is "directed at inciting or producing imminent lawless action" and (2) it is "likely to incite or produce such action."

Outside of these exceptions, limitations on free speech on the Internet by either government or private entities would run afoul of the 1st Amendment. Government can hold providers feet to the fire for not policing their sites, preventing consumers from those exceptions or providing access to other entities that would further criminal activity, etc.

 

[Bishop2b5]

He was Republican enough for many in your party to beg him to run for president after W shit the bed.

Yes, but he was also courted by the Democrats to run. I never thought of him as a member of either party.

 

[Bluto]

Loomis, for sure.

Lol