Trump Presidency

[IrishLax]

I followed all 70 of the legal challenges Trump brought and all of them failed except 1 and it was pointless. In all 70 they presented zero credible evidence of fraud. Some people like Dem governors. Kentucky was that way for decades. Always voted R for fed and Dem locally.

The Ga runoff was weird as well. Ossoff got less votes than Warnock by right about the same margin across the board.

Maryland is one of the bluest states around and has a Republican governor. Split ticket voting is hardly uncommon.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/01/11/capitol-riot-self-coup-trump-fiona-hill-457549

Opinion Piece by Fiona Hill. Excellent.

 

[Irish#1]

Did you watch Trump and Guiliani and Juniors speech at the White House before they marched to the Capitol? If you have not you should becasue you wouldnot have posted this. If you did I cant believe you posted this.

Lets just say there was more security that wasnt denied. That would not have stopped these people who showed up armed, with guns, moltov cocktails, pipe bombs and military surplus gear being riles up and told to march to the Capitol by Trump and fight to force Congress to overturn the certification. It would not have stopped them from seeking out Congressional people to execute including Mike Pence. If they killed one cop they would have killed more

It certainly was a failure of not being prepared but I dont think it was on Pelosi, rather Trumps admin for not being ready. DC, Maryland and Virginia couldnt send in NG becasue DOD has control over NG in DC. THey took nearly 2 hours to allow it and even then there was no plan or coordination. It was far too late to do anything at that point as these people had already been in the buildign for multiple hours. Blaming Pelosi is unbelievably naive.

The dude knew he was going to need help and asked both houses yet was told no. The riot isn’t on her but the lack of support falls back to her and Mitch. Then she wants him to resign? That’s weak.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

@donk_enby has all the Parler stuff on Twitter.

I’m trying to see what people are doing with it. It seems pretty much the entire database including deleted posts, all posted videos, dms too ( I think) and all personal account info. 70Tb of stuff.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The dude knew he was going to need help and asked both houses yet was told no. The riot isn’t on her but the lack of support falls back to her and Mitch. Then she wants him to resign? That’s weak.

I think you to need to research this better. I’m gonna leave it at that. He was told no by. DOD And Admin people. Not the House and Senate and certainly not Pelosi and MCConnell. Not sure why you think this. Neither Pelosi nor McConnell had the authoity to approve or deny the request for aid

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/capitol-insurrection-police-chief-wanted-backup-denied-house-senate-sergeants-at-arms-20210111.html

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

He's being completely disingenuous and ignoring the posts that have tried to productively engage with him. That graphic he just shared was a joke.

"Condemned mostly by Republicans" ... when pages ago he was provided links showing Biden was publicly & emphatically speaking out against riots, violence, and property destruction in May and June.

"14 officers injured" ... that's anti-factual, the number is 50+

Pretty much the whole thing is a lazy misrepresentation of the situation.

But worse is the title graphic... "your outrage is manufactured".... no, it isn't. Trust me, my outrage over people storming the capital chanting "HANG MIKE PENCE!" after erecting a gallows and brandishing tools for kidnapping is quite legitimate. My outrage over the murdered police officer is also quite legitimate, as is my outrage over an attempted coup that failed by only seconds... literally, if they had not taken a wrong turn, they would've entered the senate with bombs and weapons before they could evacuate the elected officials.

Lax I heard Cruz say this:

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) told Fox News that the insurrectionist mob’s repeated chants of “Hang Pence!” were “taken out of context by the radical left Democrat media.”

 

[Redbar]

I think you to need to research this better. I’m gonna leave it at that. He was told no by. DOD And Admin people. Not the House and Senate and certainly not Pelosi and MCConnell. Not sure why you think this. Neither Pelosi nor McConnell had the authoity to approve or deny the request for aid

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/capitol-insurrection-police-chief-wanted-backup-denied-house-senate-sergeants-at-arms-20210111.html

I got this one Irish#1.

Ahem. I would expect you to say something like this Cack, you always get caught up in the weeds of fact and procedure. If you would step back, broaden your mind, you would see the larger point that I was trying to make before: that what happened on 6 January 2020 was not the fault of the traitors that happened to be present and doing it or the traitor that incited them. It was either the fault of BLM for the stunts they pulled this summer or it was Nancy Pelosi’s. And Hillary Clinton, George Soros, and Thanks Obama.

*(And maybe a little bit Mitch McConnell and other RINO’s that turned their back on dear leader just when he needed them most)*

 

[SonofOahu]

Apparently it is. I have a friend that is a devout Muslim that shared with me some disturbing social media stuff from extreme groups that he said has been up and running for years with little to no disturbance. Extremist organizations use Social media to recruit and moblize all over the world.

And they're being watched every step of the way.

This. I have some friends in the... let's say "industry" that have shared some insight into their tradecraft. This is, like, honey trap 101.

 

[SonofOahu]

Lax I heard Cruz say this:

It's them damn grammar morons, I tell you. It wasn't, "HANG PENCE!" It was: "Hang, Pence." Those were his homeboys.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I got this one Irish#1.

Ahem. I would expect you to say something like this Cack, you always get caught up in the weeds of fact and procedure. If you would step back, broaden your mind, you would see the larger point that I was trying to make before: that what happened on 6 January 2020 was not the fault of the traitors that happened to be present and doing it or the traitor that incited them. It was either the fault of BLM for the stunts they pulled this summer or it was Nancy Pelosi’s. And Hillary Clinton, George Soros, and Thanks Obama.

*(And maybe a little bit Mitch McConnell and other RINO’s that turned their back on dear leader just when he needed them most)*

I know. I know. Them Soros checks are much harder to come by and I have had to double my efforts to make ends meet and keep them checks coming in.

 

[Irish#1]

I think you to need to research this better. I’m gonna leave it at that. He was told no by. DOD And Admin people. Not the House and Senate and certainly not Pelosi and MCConnell. Not sure why you think this. Neither Pelosi nor McConnell had the authoity to approve or deny the request for aid

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/capitol-insurrection-police-chief-wanted-backup-denied-house-senate-sergeants-at-arms-20210111.html

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the Sergeant of Arms in each house reports to the speaker? Per the articles he was told no by each SoA from both houses.

From Wiki

The Sergeant at Arms of the United States House of Representatives is an officer of the House ... Under the direction of the Speaker of the House or other presiding officer,

 

[Irish#1]

The two reasons that I have heard for the attack on our Capitol, attempt to stop certification of the election and attempt to "hold them accountable" were 1) to stop the steal of the election by the Democrats and 2) their Constitutional rights were being taken away.

I didn't hear any call to action related to frustrations over the summer riots with a need to retaliate against Congress and the legislative branch. That sounds more like a justification for criminal conduct that resulted in lives lost.

State law enforcement is being mobilized throughout the country in expectation of Inauguration attacks by the terrorists.

You are correct. Its 100% an attempt to justify the insurrection, or at least minimize the importance by whatabouting BLM. It has nothing to do with BLM. Not one politician has mentioned BLM regarding this. Its all been "Stop the Steal" or "fighting" to overturn a fair election. These people are deplorables and are dangerous for how they are willing to kill and take over the government just becasue their guy didn't win.. Not only didnt he win but he lost all three branches of government. It was a wipeout. The politicians who continue to state Trump won are seriously damaging our democracy just becasue they got their soundly defeated.

These lunatics believe Trump actually won California.

Donald Trumps Transcript January 6, 2021 Not one mention of BLM. Numerous calls to action and taking charge and fighting. This entire speech does nothing but enforce the lie that he is the winner and they rigged the election. Basically threatens Mike Pence if he doesnt overturn the electoral college.

Guilliani's Speech January 6 2021. Also not one word about BLM. Only a stolen election and calls to action.

Jrs Speech was an explicative filled verabal diarreah where the word fight was used pretty much twice a sentence.

Apparently I'm not very good at getting my point across, but I'll give it one more try and then I'm done.

Civil unrest. The DC riot is a symptom of something larger in their minds. He was the hope to get the wall finished, stop illegal immigration, etc.. Trump being screwed out of the election (their words not mine) will prevent these from being completed. They want to be heard as much as the summer rioters. They see a lot of the changes the summer rioters want as a threat to what they want.

As a reminder to those that think I'm a die-hard Trumper, I didn't vote for Trump either time and while I have supported some of his policies, I have been critical of Trump quite a bit. In case you missed some of my previous posts, I didn't condone any of this DC rioting either.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought the Sergeant of Arms in each house reports to the speaker? Per the articles he was told no by each SoA from both houses.

From Wiki

also from Wiki

One of the roles of the sergeant at arms is to hold the gavel when not in use.[2] The Sergeant at Arms can also compel the attendance of an absent senator when ordered to do so by the Senate.[1]

With the Architect of the Capitol and the House Sergeant at Arms, he serves on the Capitol Police Board, responsible for security around the building.

The Sergeant at Arms can, upon orders of the Senate, arrest and detain any person who violates Senate rules,[1] or is found in contempt of Congress.[3]

The Sergeant at Arms is also the executive officer for the Senate and provides senators with computers, equipment, and repair and security services.[1]

Its my understanding they dont report TO Pelosi or McConnell. They are tasked with providing many services one of which is security, in which they are required to coordinate with Capital police and other relevant federal agencies.

In this instance and according to my link, Sund with the Capitol police, requested additional national guards men becasue he was very concerned about what was happening. He had to make that request to the House and Senate Sgt at Arms. These people cant grant the authorization to bring in NG into DC without the approval of the DOD. The DoD denied the SaAs and they denied it to him. Thats my understanding of this. If you have a source or other link to states they were directed by Pelosi and McConnell to not provide the NG I will wait eagerly for that.

To be on the safe side, Sund asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the D.C. National Guard be placed on standby in case he needed quick backup

In his first interview since pro-Trump rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol last week, Sund, who has since resigned, said his supervisors were reluctant to take formal steps to put the Guard on call even as police intelligence suggested that the crowd President Donald Trump had invited to Washington to protest his defeat probably would be much larger than earlier demonstrations.

House Sergeant at Arms Paul Irving said he was not comfortable with the “optics” of formally declaring an emergency before the demonstration, Sund said. Meanwhile, Senate Sergeant at Arms Michael Stenger suggested that Sund informally seek his Guard contacts, asking them to “lean forward” and be on alert in case Capitol Police needed their help.

It was the first of six times Sund’s request for help was rejected or delayed, he said. Two days later, on Wednesday afternoon, his forces in the midst of crisis, Sund said he pleaded for help five more times as a scene far more dire than he had ever imagined unfolded on the historic Capitol grounds.

“I am making an urgent, urgent immediate request for National Guard assistance,” Sund recalled saying. “I have got to get boots on the ground.”

On the call were several officials from the D.C. government, as well as officials from the Pentagon. The D.C. contingent was flabbergasted to hear a top Army official say he could not recommend that his boss, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy, approve the request.

“I don’t like the visual of the National Guard standing a police line with the Capitol in the background,” the official said, according to Sund and others on the call.

Again and again, Sund said, “The situation is dire,” recalled John Falcicchio, the chief of staff for D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, a Democrat. “Literally, this guy is on the phone, I mean, crying out for help. It’s burned in my memories.”

Not sure what else I can say... Pelosi and McConnell weren't on any of these calls and they have no authority on the exectuion of NG deployment the Capitol police were asking for.

This failure by the SaA to coordinate with the people they were supposed to led to their requested resignations by both Pelosi and McConnell. Again... if you can link me to something that s shows Pelosi and McConnell said " No you cant have the NG" and then they turn around and make these guys resign... Id be very appreciative of this becasue that would indeed be very fucked up.

 

[notredomer23]

Not directly Trump related, but can Marjorie Taylor Greene be launched into the sun?

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Apparently I'm not very good at getting my point across, but I'll give it one more try and then I'm done.

Civil unrest. The DC riot is a symptom of something larger in their minds. He was the hope to get the wall finished, stop illegal immigration, etc.. Trump being screwed out of the election (their words not mine) will prevent these from being completed. They want to be heard as much as the summer rioters. They see a lot of the changes the summer rioters want as a threat to what they want.

As a reminder to those that think I'm a die-hard Trumper, I didn't vote for Trump either time and while I have supported some of his policies, I have been critical of Trump quite a bit. In case you missed some of my previous posts, I didn't condone any of this DC rioting either.

Apparently I am equally as bad at it too. I was very angry/upset about the violence this summer and the destruction of property. I am also very angry about a great many other things that affect my day to day life but I didnt commit insurrection and attempt to kill Pence and Pelosi. I certainly didnt travel to DC to listen to Trump whip me into a frenzy solely on the concept of the Great Lie and then march to Capitol to attempt a coup.

But I constantly forget that in this forum, I am required to layout everything I am against before I make my main case becasue otherwise I am completely biased without doing that.


IDK man...

 

[NorthDakota]

Not directly Trump related, but can Marjorie Taylor Greene be launched into the sun?

Only if we can send the new lady from Missouri with her as well.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/12/politics/congress-briefing-us-capitol-threats/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_content=2021-01-12T15%3A35%3A05&utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN

This ought to be great

 

[Legacy]

I think you to need to research this better. I’m gonna leave it at that. He was told no by. DOD And Admin people. Not the House and Senate and certainly not Pelosi and MCConnell. Not sure why you think this. Neither Pelosi nor McConnell had the authoity to approve or deny the request for aid

https://www.inquirer.com/politics/nation/capitol-insurrection-police-chief-wanted-backup-denied-house-senate-sergeants-at-arms-20210111.html

This was a tough article to read, including

The first wave of protesters arrived at the Capitol about 12:40 p.m.

“As soon as they hit the fence line, the fight was on,” Sund said. “Violent confrontations from the start. They came with riot helmets, gas masks, shields, pepper spray, fireworks, climbing gear — climbing gear! — explosives, metal pipes, baseball bats. I have never seen anything like it in 30 years of events in Washington.”

Often it's hard to get across how dangerous these guys are and not your usual Trump supporters. The video of them dragging one or more of the Capital police out and beating him with what they had was difficult to watch. Sometimes they contain ex-military and plan the invasions. There is a mob mentaility that took over with their anger and probably a learned behavior - what works, what more tools they need, and may turn on politicians. In Michigan weapons have just been banned on their Capitol grounds, which should anger even them more than restrictions on weapons at the polling places - "Don't Tread on me", "1776", "The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat", etc.

Evidently Lauren Boebert, the QAnon supporter and new Rep from Colo was live streaming and notifying viewers that Pelosi had left the floor. Some terrorists had maps of the Congress. Staffers barricading offices. All the election talk of losing your country, Stand Down and Stand By, the election was stolen, socialism will reign as the Dems take control of federal government.

 

[Blazers46]

Both sides just need to take some accountability. Things have been escalating for years and we all act surprised it got to this point. The left has had their fair share of arrest worthy or at least newsworthy moments that helped us get here. The right has also. The only difference is the left is taking a victory lap at the expense of the latest extreme right actions. I will take a leap and take one for the team when I say the narrative would be different from the medias narrative if it were a different LEFT group storming the capitol. Criminally probably the same but the narrative woud be "but racial injustice" or "but (insert sjw cause)". Depending on the cause some people would be in full support that are in outrage mode now. And lets be honest, will something like this happen again in next year or two... probably.

Johnny Depp - "When was the last time an actor assassinated a President" obviously referring to Donald Trump... but he did preface his statement with "I am not insinuating anything".

Madonna - "I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the white house"

We have the red haired actress Holding a severed head of Donald Trump.

The actress that posted a picture of a Pelosi heel piercing through Donald Trump.

Rick Ross (rapper) rapping about assassinating Trump.

Snoop Dog shooting Trump in a video.

The Central Park play depicting Donald Trump being brutally murdered.

Joe Biden himself talking about punching the President. (although watching Biden and Trump fight would be the highest rated pay-per-view ever. Trump in round 1 would be my money but not sure the dems would play fair... half joking)

Kamala Harris saying the rioters and looters wont stop and should not stop

Anti-fa marking city blocks with "Kill Trump". While on the topic... Trump insists Biden condemn antifa and Bidens response is to insist its not an organization... so what... they make Trump condemn the same thing every time he gets on stage and Biden can't call out Antifa by name? I digress.

Cynthia Johnson, Michigan gov in some capacity making live threats to Trump supporters.

Michael Moore's video of an attack on Donald Trump.

Meanwhile Nick Sandmann was a bigger story than all of these.

We can throw in there Charlottesville and other right wing stuff but those were all big stories we all know about.

When rioting and looting was happening the left was pushing the "mostly peaceful protest" narrative. You could by their logic call the Trump DC event a "mostly peaceful protest"

Where I am going with this is, one incident and how its handled sets a precedent. People might think they are on moral high ground threatening or jokingly threatening to kill Donald Trump, but he still has the title of President of the United States.

We can argue this point until we are blue in the face but the right has seen rioting and looting and seen the left respond by not really responding. Like I said above, the left kept running the "mostly peaceful" narrative. True or not its not what the right believed to be true. I can probably be quoted many times saying how rioting and looting is becoming normalized, threatening the President of the United States has become normalized. Politicians have been telling their supporters to go to where other politicians are and harass them. If a star like Madonna or Johnny Depp says the same thing but about Joe Biden he might be arrested (is how the right feels). To be honest my first reaction about hearing the Capitol was overrun was "and?". I really haven't talked to anyone that is overly shocked or shocked at all. Even my heavly left leaning friends or colleagues, once you get past thier CNN/MSNBC outrage they too are not too surprised.

Things escalated to this point. Trump needs to accept his part in it but he is not alone in the escalation and joke that has become American politics.

 

[TorontoGold]

BLM protests will continue, unless of course crime bill guy and the former prosecutor do something radically different. Antifa will continue to burn shit and ruin any message from BLM. Nobody should be naive to think that will change.

I am glad to see a Trump supporter with condemnation for inflammatory language. The dissertation on harmful rhetoric from the Trump base and admin is incoming, surely.

 

[Blazers46]

BLM protests will continue, unless of course crime bill guy and the former prosecutor do something radically different. Antifa will continue to burn shit and ruin any message from BLM. Nobody should be naive to think that will change.

I am glad to see a Trump supporter with condemnation for inflammatory language. The dissertation on harmful rhetoric from the Trump base and admin is incoming, surely.

I do not think there is anything a politician can do to change this. Looking to government to solve social issues is a fools errand.

 

[Blazers46]

BLM protests will continue, unless of course crime bill guy and the former prosecutor do something radically different. Antifa will continue to burn shit and ruin any message from BLM. Nobody should be naive to think that will change.

I am glad to see a Trump supporter with condemnation for inflammatory language. The dissertation on harmful rhetoric from the Trump base and admin is incoming, surely.

Also I think BLM ruins thier own messaging...

 

[TorontoGold]

I do not think there is anything a politician can do to change this. Looking to government to solve social issues is a fools errand.

If the government isn't going to at least attempt to help with social issues then what is a government for? I know regulation, taxation, and healthcare are non-starters for the GOP.

 

[Bluto]

I do not think there is anything a politician can do to change this. Looking to government to solve social issues is a fools errand.

I mean the government ended slavery and child labor. So, yeah.

 

[Blazers46]

I mean the government ended slavery and child labor. So, yeah.

You prove my point. Slavery, voting rights, etc... but here we are.

 

[NorthDakota]

I mean the government ended slavery and child labor. So, yeah.

 

[Legacy]

I corrected myself on which QAnon Congresswoman was tweeting about Pelosi's location during the invasion.

Facing calls to resign, Boebert shifts blame to Democrats, Hollywood


Rep. Boebert issues defiant statement amid tweet storm calling for her resignation (Steamboat Pilot)

“We should take Democrats at their word when they say never let a crisis go to waste. Their hypocrisy is on full display with talks of impeachment, censure and other ways to punish Republicans for false accusations of inciting the type of violence they have so frequently and transparently supported in the past,” Boebert said in the statement.

“And, once again, their false attacks go unchallenged,” she said, providing a long list of comments attributed to prominent Democrats and Hollywood celebrities dating back more than a decade that she said also could be construed as inciting violence.

“They accuse me of live-tweeting the Speaker’s presence after she had been safely removed from the Capitol, as if I was revealing some big secret, when it fact this removal was also being broadcast on TV,” said Boebert, who the afternoon the Capitol building was breached and members of Congress were sheltering in place tweeted “The Speaker has been removed from the chambers,” in reference to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

That morning, as Congress was set to vote to certify the Electoral College vote declaring Joe Biden’s presidential win, which Boebert formally objected to, she tweeted “Today is 1776.”

Several leading Democrats in Colorado, including from Boebert’s 3rd Congressional District, issued statements Monday calling for Boebert to be held accountable for what they said was her role in fanning the flames among Trump supporters. They used the hashtag #ResignBoebert.

Kevin Kuns, chairman of the Montrose County Democratic Party, issued a statement, saying, “Lauren Boebert is embarrassing our district. I did not vote for her, but I had hoped as her constituent that Boebert would prioritize protecting the Constitution and helping the people of our district.

“Instead, (she) has shown zero interest in upholding the Constitution and has put other people’s freedom to vote in her crosshairs by trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election. Whether Boebert’s actions were willful ignorance or purposeful insurrection to overthrow a democracy, I agree with the tens of thousands of people who tweeted #ResignBoebert today,” Kuns said.

Morgan Carroll, chairman of the Colorado Democratic Party, also decried Boebert’s conduct.

“If Lauren Boebert were a true patriot as she claimed to be, she would respect the peaceful transfer of power that is a signature part of our Constitution, end her continued peddling of conspiracy theories, and get to work for her constituents,” Carroll said. “If she will not, she should immediately resign.”

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I mean the government ended slavery and child labor. So, yeah.

Seat belts and clean drinking water are pretty cool. I also love being able to travel from one place to another is an orderly and speedy manner.

 

[Greenore]

You prove my point. Slavery, voting rights, etc... but here we are.

It really is a slippery slope. I typed out several lengthy replies, read them over, decided they might be inflammatory to some and deleted all of them.

Really, what is a terrorist? Over the course of history I would opine that virtually every nation state could be called a terrorist or guilty of terrorist activities.

Similar to what a judge wrote about pornography a while back, I personally can't define terrorism but I know it when I see it.

I also recognize that indigenous peoples see most of us as "visitors" and "intruders" and many of them believe we are terrorists. I don't think it is as black and white as many of us would like to believe.

What's the answer and path forward? I honestly don't know. This has been going on for thousands of years.

The events that transpired last week were a bloody disgrace and I personally believe Trump was THE instigator.

Be good to each other. Respect one another and do good in your community. That's all I have.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

 

[Bluto]

Seat belts and clean drinking water are pretty cool. I also love being able to travel from one place to another is an orderly and speedy manner.

I’m sure rivers catching fire due to industrial pollutants was pretty bitchin!