Stanford Recruiting and Everything Else

[IrishLax]

According to their 247 board there is one cohort that thinks it's just making space for incoming recruits. And there is another that thinks there are some internal problems. S&C coach and OL/DL coaches that are the root cause of this.

Well, considering Turley got canned and then they've had a rash of injuries/poor development since they got off the juice....

 

[BabyIrish]

Serious Question
Are they going to have a two deep next year?

 

[Valpodoc85]

Stanford playing the Juco card?

 

[Luckylucci]

Serious Question
Are they going to have a two deep next year?

Certain positions seems really light on numbers. Can't say for certain but as an 85 man roster, they are supremely confident this is just to get them to 85. The problem is, IMO, what's the makeup of the 85.

 

[BobbyMac]

Hamilton leaving is a big deal. He must have been told he's inside or 2nd string OT. Rouse and Sarell have the OT's locked down in '20. There was a time whn Hamilton had forced Sarell inside.

I've long been a champion of booting Stanford and playing Cal or Navy in San Diego every other but if Stanford keeps this up, I'll gladly re-up them in '25 and correct the all-time winning percentage that BK let slip.

 

[Circa]

Well, considering Turley got canned and then they've had a rash of injuries/poor development since they got off the juice....

I'm thrilled this Is becoming an easy call these days...

It's hard knowing something everyone seems to try and hide...
I believe our boys don't use In offseason programming... (I'm wrong regularly) Hard to say).
In season use, especially late-season Is egregious and thwarts any real chance of recovery from significant injury. Smarter clubs are starting to understand....

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[stlnd01]

According to their 247 board there is one cohort that thinks it's just making space for incoming recruits. And there is another that thinks there are some internal problems. S&C coach and OL/DL coaches that are the root cause of this.

Chasing returning starters to make room for incoming recruits doesn't seem like the Harbaugh/Shaw "keep them four/five years and grow them for Manball" recipe that made Stanford pretty good at football for awhile.
Also, with their academic requirements, coming off a crap season? That approach seems... unlikely?

 

[dad4aa]

Unless they’re bringing in 35 recruits this year

 

[IrishLax]

Certain positions seems really light on numbers. Can't say for certain but as an 85 man roster, they are supremely confident this is just to get them to 85. The problem is, IMO, what's the makeup of the 85.

I just don't see how losing 11 guys puts them at 85... or why these would be the ones you'd force out. Sounds like classic Shaw propaganda to me. And no one fact checks it because they have zero fans that give a crap.

2017 - 14
2018 - 14
2019 - 23
2020 - 18

That adds up to 69. Minus 11 in the transfer portal, as reported above, puts you at 58. This does not account for any early declarations for the draft over those previous classes, so that roster number is somewhere in the 50s at best not counting walk on scholarships.

They sure as hell don't have 35 5th year players from the 2016 class and they sure as hell don't need room. They are running a roster as if they have crippling sanctions.

 

[Luckylucci]

It doesn’t seem to add up and I’m not following the numbers too closely so I could be wrong but I believe they have 15-20, walk-ons given scholarships or 5th year decisions still to be made. And they want to sign 20 in this class. So you could add 17-22 to that number. But that still leaves them short.

 

[Sea Turtle]

According to their 247 board there is one cohort that thinks it's just making space for incoming recruits. And there is another that thinks there are some internal problems. S&C coach and OL/DL coaches that are the root cause of this.

Are they just spinning this to keep both of their fans from freaking out?

 

[BobbyMac]

Are they just spinning this to keep both of their fans from freaking out?

Really? When did fan #3 pass?

RIP#3!

 

[PapaIrish37]

It's is going to be a small celebration on all of those other teams' fields next year. I am really broken up about this.

 

[NDMIA]

It doesn’t seem to add up and I’m not following the numbers too closely so I could be wrong but I believe they have 15-20, walk-ons given scholarships or 5th year decisions still to be made. And they want to sign 20 in this class. So you could add 17-22 to that number. But that still leaves them short.

It’s not numbers. They are at 6 defensive lineman on the squad next season which is barely even a two deep. It’s not numbers. Something must be seriously wrong in Palo Alto of which I am not in the know.

 

[ThePiombino]

It&#146;s not numbers. They are at 6 defensive lineman on the squad next season which is barely even a two deep. It&#146;s not numbers. Something must be seriously wrong in Palo Alto of which I am not in the know.

Couldn't happen to a better person (Shaw).

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[Irish#1]

It doesn’t seem to add up and I’m not following the numbers too closely so I could be wrong but I believe they have 15-20, walk-ons given scholarships or 5th year decisions still to be made. And they want to sign 20 in this class. So you could add 17-22 to that number. But that still leaves them short.

Sorry, not sorry.

 

[stlnd01]

It’s not numbers. They are at 6 defensive lineman on the squad next season which is barely even a two deep. It’s not numbers. Something must be seriously wrong in Palo Alto of which I am not in the know.

Whatever it is must be pretty bad. These kids all chose to go to (and got into) Stanford, which is a fairly unique and self-selecting place to be a football player. They made a 40 year decision, and now they're walking away at a rapid clip.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Whatever it is must be pretty bad. These kids all chose to go to (and got into) Stanford, which is a fairly unique and self-selecting place to be a football player. They made a 40 year decision, and now they're walking away at a rapid clip.

The grad transfers make a lot of sense. Stanford sold them on the degree and great football, and now they have the degree but bad football. Why stick around?

 

[IrishLax]

The grad transfers make a lot of sense. Stanford sold them on the degree and great football, and now they have the degree but bad football. Why stick around?

Exactly, they're basically Duke at this point. The football aspect... winning, conference championships, player development, etc.... is not there anymore. There is no reason for someone with NFL aspirations to go to Stanford besides the education.

 

[IrishLax]

https://irishsportsdaily.com/forums/1/topics/43142

ISD reporting from a Stanford source that the exodus is because the players have lost faith in the program. David Shaw announced that there will be no staff changes and that nothing is wrong with the program, and his propaganda isn't working as well is it used to.

More at the link, ISD probably has better Stanford sources/reporting than Stanford sites do (if they exist?).

 

[zelezo vlk]

You hate to see it

 

[Wingman Ray]

The grad transfers make a lot of sense. Stanford sold them on the degree and great football, and now they have the degree but bad football. Why stick around?

And please dont take this wrong but it isnt like Stanford has ever been much of a contributor to the NFL. Yes there was Luck and Sherman but traditionally not a lot. So I cannot imagine anyone strapping up to go to Stanford with expectations of the NFL.

From 2010 to 2019, there have been 42 Stanford players picked in the NFL draft. 30 have been taken round 3+.

And also, look at the transfers. 2-3 star players. Odds not going to the NFL no matter where they play. Just saying

 

[KizerWilhelm]

And please dont take this wrong but it isnt like Stanford has ever been much of a contributor to the NFL. Yes there was Luck and Sherman but traditionally not a lot. So I cannot imagine anyone strapping up to go to Stanford with expectations of the NFL.

From 2010 to 2019, there have been 42 Stanford players picked in the NFL draft. 30 have been taken round 3+.

And also, look at the transfers. 2-3 star players. Odds not going to the NFL no matter where they play. Just saying

Notre Dame had 43 players over the same time span... 25 taken round 3+.

 

[Legacy]

And please dont take this wrong but it isnt like Stanford has ever been much of a contributor to the NFL. Yes there was Luck and Sherman but traditionally not a lot. So I cannot imagine anyone strapping up to go to Stanford with expectations of the NFL.

From 2010 to 2019, there have been 42 Stanford players picked in the NFL draft. 30 have been taken round 3+.

And also, look at the transfers. 2-3 star players. Odds not going to the NFL no matter where they play. Just saying

How many have lasted in the NFL more than three years?

As pointed out, they used to have fifth years to provide leadership and allow young players to develop more impacting their depth.

The number for fifth years on their teams:
2014 - 12
2015 - 11
2016 - 8
2017 - 6
2018 - 9
2019 - 4

Recruiting class sizes - not accounting for those leaving and returning from LDS missions (or total of enrollees):
2014 - 20
2015 - 22
2016 - 23
2017 - 14
2018 - 16
2019 - 24

From the 2016 Class, there were eighteen Seniors with one year of eligiblity left. Nine have entered the transfer portal including one walk-on given a scholarship. Three had minimal games played in 2019, including one who had a season-ending injury early in the season. Those are doubtful to return. I have not added Maddox, RB, who was passed on the depth chart by Jones and Peat from the 2019 class.

Current class size for 2020 is eighteen, counting one returning from his mission. I expect three Seniors with a year of eligibility left to return in 2020.

 

[BobbyMac]

John Humphreys and Brandon Jones sure would look nice in gold lids.

 

[Legacy]

How many recruiting battles between ND and Stanford did they lose this year?

 

[BeauBenken]

John Humphreys and Brandon Jones sure would look nice in gold lids.

And not the younger Hinton?

 

[Luckylucci]

John Humphreys and Brandon Jones sure would look nice in gold lids.

I was looking at their commits last night and thought that Brandon Jones would be the one I'd target. Position of need and solid player.

 

[IrishLion]

They were light and injured at OL this year, but had some reinforcements coming in via recruiting, and had a couple of other guys that will get healthy.

Now they're losing two guys from that group to transfers, and don't have a defense at all besides Adebo... and if Adebo declares for the NFL???

Beat them by 50 next year and put the nail in the coffin.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

How many recruiting battles between ND and Stanford did they lose this year?

Looking over their commitment list... I'm inclined to say none? Ben Yurosek is really the only name that jumps out, and that was over pretty quickly in their favor.