'16 GA ATH Demetris Robertson (Georgia Transfer)

[Luckylucci]

Personal opinion but I really don't think this has as much to do with his love of Stanford as it does with something we don't even know.

 

[koonja]

Personal opinion but I really don't think this has as much to do with his love of Stanford as it does with something we don't even know.

Oh God tell me there's a girlfriend.

 

[GBdomer]

He's either waiting on a pay day or really wants to go to Stanford.

I don't think the red flags comments are needed, he doesn't owe us or anyone anything. Rather him drag this out as long as he wants so we don't end up with a Vanderdoes situation. I don't think this goes out another month or shaw is doing everything he can so he doesn't end up at ND

 

[Luckylucci]

Oh God tell me there's a girlfriend.

Like I said, its a personal opinion and no info to back it up. Its just the conclusion I come to when I look at all the info that's out there.

 

[IrishLax]

What we did allowing Tee to EE before he was fully qualified (if that is the correct story) was much worse IMO. And I wouldn't say ND "sold their soul" or that the situation was a "sham."

That's not the point and it's also completely different. His transcripts got flagged AFTER he had already enrolled. We thought he was fine, but because of what basically amounts to fraud (or maybe just a "clerical error" by Tee and his high schools) he was short credits. We had no way of knowing that beforehand, and there was also the complicating factor of his school transfer.

And there are rumors that his transcripts were flagged by a rival who knew about the issues during his recruitment and only revealed them after he opted for ND. You can fill in the blanks.

Also, is this really much different than essentially "wait-listing" the kid? They have his full transcripts. If they're not just stringing him along, it's just a simple yes or no in March. I believe normal high school students can re-take the SAT if they're waitlisted and then send those off to admissions to boost their case. Plus, it's not like he couldn't have committed elsewhere on NSD if he wanted.

I just don't see Stanford as the bad guy here if they're truly still interested in the kid. If he couldn't qualify for ND with his SAT, we'd be praising ND if they let him re-take in March and would be doubly praising Robertson for wanting to re-take the test and not take the easy route and pick an SEC school on NSD.

This is a weird and annoying recruitment to follow, but I'm not really seeing a bad guy anywhere here personally.

I mean... yeah, it is. Stanford says all students must apply by early January. This has always applied to all prospective students, including football players.

Robertson hasn't even started an application, much less submitted one. He hasn't submitted one because it would be rejected. So if they aren't stringing him along then they're breaking all of their rules in order to land a 5 ... I wouldn't fault any normal team for that, but normal teams don't get up in front of mic every single year and have their head coach, AD, etc. run their mouths about "not compromising" and such. It's well within their rights to change their admissions process for this guy, but it's also well within my rights to point out how this makes everyone in the administration a liar and a fraud.

To your second bolded, this isn't the same as Notre Dame (or any other school) doing that because Notre Dame (and every other school) doesn't run their mouths about their "process" and "no exceptions." My only objection here is how Stanford presents themselves vis a vis how they're acting. Maybe you guys don't deal with as many Stanford people as I do on a daily basis, but while they're the least obnoxious fans out there, they do constantly bring up in every conversation how they are "different" than every other school and how they're the only school with "integrity"...

...meanwhile, they got caught distributing a list of Easy A classes for athletes and they're changing their application procedures to get a 5 in...

So I want them to stop acting like they're so above the rest of college football if they're going to do the same crap as anyone else.

I do applaud Robertson's general approach and want to be very clear about that. There's no reason for him to sign a LOI, and there is no reason for someone in his shoes to rush anything.

But David Shaw can suck it.

 

[Irish YJ]

At this point, I just don't give a $#!+ anymore. Sure I'd like to have him, but this whole situation is just tiresome. I'm not saying he owes anyone anything... he doesn't... But he is keeping a lot of folks in limbo.. from the coaching staffs, to the possible 5th year guys who could lose a spot.

 

[gkIrish]

He's either waiting on a pay day or really wants to go to Stanford.

I don't think the red flags comments are needed, he doesn't owe us or anyone anything. Rather him drag this out as long as he wants so we don't end up with a Vanderdoes situation. I don't think this goes out another month or shaw is doing everything he can so he doesn't end up at ND

I'm not criticizing him at all. I think he is doing what's best for him and I have nothing against him. I'm talking about things from ND's perspective. Someone being a transfer risk doesn't make them a bad person.

 

[IrishLax]

Why can't/doesn't he visit? Does Stanford only allow you to visit if you're accepted? That cannot be, since most don't know until ~ Novemberish.

Why isn't he OVing there as we speak?

They don't let you take an OV unless you're "approved" to... this is mainly a mechanism for them to have OVs after the season when 1) they know who they want to take and who is getting approved 2) so they don't see Stanford's abysmal game day atmosphere.

And I sorta agree with Lucci that there seems to be a chance that maybe this is all BS and it's something else. The one test score I've actually heard reported was an ACT and it was so low he wouldn't even be NCAA eligible.

 

[Irish YJ]

They don't let you take an OV unless you're "approved" to... this is mainly a mechanism for them to have OVs after the season when 1) they know who they want to take and who is getting approved 2) so they don't see Stanford's abysmal game day atmosphere.

And I sorta agree with Lucci that there seems to be a chance that maybe this is all BS and it's something else. The one test score I've actually heard reported was an ACT and it was so low he wouldn't even be NCAA eligible.

Do we know if his SAT was enough to get into ND

 

[NorthDakota]

They don't let you take an OV unless you're "approved" to... this is mainly a mechanism for them to have OVs after the season when 1) they know who they want to take and who is getting approved 2) so they don't see Stanford's abysmal game day atmosphere.

And I sorta agree with Lucci that there seems to be a chance that maybe this is all BS and it's something else. The one test score I've actually heard reported was an ACT and it was so low he wouldn't even be NCAA eligible.

Is it bad?

 

[PANDFAN]

Do we know if his SAT was enough to get into ND

according to 247---they state from everything they have been told that he is a go by the ND admissions

 

[ND NYC]

he should verbally commit to us now to save his spot...

 

[ND NYC]

Do we know if his SAT was enough to get into ND

I doubt they would have sent a semi from southbend to savannah if it wasn't

 

[Irishnuke]

What's wrong with a kid trying his hardest to do what he wants. If ND is his fallback that's still pretty damned good. Pretty sure he can get a good education at UGA or Bama if his wants as well. If he's that serious about Stanford you have to believe he won't be the typical jock that allows himself to be funneled into getting a meaningless degree.

He's already tried his hardest, twice. I'm sure he knew the minimum score to get into Stanford both times he's taken the SAT. Clearly he didn't score high enough either time. Is he going to try harder next time? At some point the kid has to look in the mirror and accept that he can't get into Stanford and go somewhere else. If ND was a really close 2nd place I think he would have done that by now. He keeps finding reasons NOT to sign with ND.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm saying he is a huge transfer risk if he were ever to get the grades during college to transfer to Stanford. Does ND want to develop him for one year only to see him go to Stanford and light us up for 2-3 years after that?

ND would block a transfer to any school on the schedule.

 

[gkIrish]

ND would block a transfer to any school on the schedule.

That's a good point. I didn't think about that. So I guess let's get him on campus lol.

 

[Luckylucci]

At this point, it seems increasingly likely that he doesn't even sign an LOI ever and does financial aid paperwork and shows up when and where he feels like it, lol. So, we may get financial aid paperwork in March and still have to recruit this kid until June. This could be a journey that we have not seen recently and won't very often.

 

[dang227]

Kid is willingly taking the SAT for at least the 3rd time to try and get into a school he has never visited. Anyone who thinks he will be happy at ND after all this is over needs a sanity check.

This is my issue. How the heck does he even know Stanford is for him without ever visiting? I could see if he had already visited and loved it and that is why he is trying so hard but to go to these lengths site unseen is baffling.

I also believe that whiny bitch Shaw is stringing this kid along to fuck ND. The longer this goes the less it looks like ND will be the choice and i think punk ass Shaw knows this.

 

[NDohio]

This is my issue. How the heck does he even know Stanford is for him without ever visiting? I could see if he had already visited and loved it and that is why he is trying so hard but to go to these lengths site unseen is baffling.

I also believe that whiny bitch Shaw is stringing this kid along to fuck ND. The longer this goes the less it looks like ND will be the choice and i think punk ass Shaw knows this.

Why? You know we won't get to 85 so I just don't think the delay hurts ND.

 

[dang227]

Why? You know we won't get to 85 so I just don't think the delay hurts ND.

True on the 85. I just see it being Stanford or close to home by his mother. At one point we were trending but it doesn't look that way anymore.

 

[Irish YJ]

I doubt they would have sent a semi from southbend to savannah if it wasn't

Perhaps it was full of SAT prep books.

 

[ND NYC]

Perhaps it was full of SAT prep books.

ha!

 

[NDgradstudent]

Remember when I suggested giving him an ultimatum?

Looks like a great idea at this point.

I don't know much about recruiting but don't teams have to totally swallow their pride to land guys?

It's BK's fault for not sleeping in his house.

 

[IrishLax]

Do we know if his SAT was enough to get into ND

I'm partially skeptical. Part of me believes what Lucci said, which is that maybe this has little-to-nothing to do with Stanford and is actually just a mess for another reason that we'll all learn about more later. I do know we're pushing for him hard, but we... like every other school... have had guys sign who didn't qualify after signing. For example, there were SAT score issues with Sykes and Wallace.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

Yeah, I'm starting to get on board with the idea that he's not qualified here. I don't care what reporters "hear".

But there's no way in hell this kid would take the SATs 3 times to try and get into a school that he hasn't even visited.

 

[GBdomer]

Yeah, I'm starting to get on board with the idea that he's not qualified here. I don't care what reporters "hear".

But there's no way in hell this kid would take the SATs 3 times to try and get into a school that he hasn't even visited.

Every ND site has confirmed he is good to go. I doubt the coaching staff would tell the mods he wasn't if this was the case.

 

[Rocket89]

Something that's been sticking with me through this for a while now. After his official to ND I think Wiltfong said something like, "If he makes a return trip to South Bend the Irish will have a great shot to sign him. If he doesn't come back ND probably won't sign him." Robertson never re-visited.

Then he took an official to Cal and unofficial visits to Alabama and Georgia in November. For a few months in the fall ND really wasn't in a great spot. In fact, DR kept saying it was Stanford, then Alabama or Georgia.

Then in early December, as he began a round of cancelled visits, we were suddenly back in it with BK using his in-home visit to really early try and get DR to come back to South Bend. DR does not come back to ND.

Since then, we've been in this holding pattern where it's 1. Stanford 2. Notre Dame based on the academics angle and DR not taking OV's to Bama or Georgia, even though he's been to the latter two schools multiple times and more recently than ND.

I don't expect the pay sites to flip-flop on their predictions now since DR hasn't visited anywhere new yet. But it's always seemed strange to me that DR is supposed to be 'exploring all opportunities' before making a decision and yet still has 2 OV's in his pocket knowing a Stanford OV was always going to be a long shot.

As of today it's been 163 days since he's visited Notre Dame. It might be closer to 200 days before DR actually makes a decision. If he goes with the grant-in-aid process you're looking at almost 10 months since being in South Bend. That's a really, really long time to in between visiting and finally committing. I'll be very surprised if he sits on those 2 other OV's.

 

[irish4ever]

Something that's been sticking with me through this for a while now. After his official to ND I think Wiltfong said something like, "If he makes a return trip to South Bend the Irish will have a great shot to sign him. If he doesn't come back ND probably won't sign him." Robertson never re-visited.

Then he took an official to Cal and unofficial visits to Alabama and Georgia in November. For a few months in the fall ND really wasn't in a great spot. In fact, DR kept saying it was Stanford, then Alabama or Georgia.

Then in early December, as he began a round of cancelled visits, we were suddenly back in it with BK using his in-home visit to really early try and get DR to come back to South Bend. DR does not come back to ND.

Since then, we've been in this holding pattern where it's 1. Stanford 2. Notre Dame based on the academics angle and DR not taking OV's to Bama or Georgia, even though he's been to the latter two schools multiple times and more recently than ND.

I don't expect the pay sites to flip-flop on their predictions now since DR hasn't visited anywhere new yet. But it's always seemed strange to me that DR is supposed to be 'exploring all opportunities' before making a decision and yet still has 2 OV's in his pocket knowing a Stanford OV was always going to be a long shot.

As of today it's been 163 days since he's visited Notre Dame. It might be closer to 200 days before DR actually makes a decision. If he goes with the grant-in-aid process you're looking at almost 10 months since being in South Bend. That's a really, really long time to in between visiting and finally committing. I'll be very surprised if he sits on those 2 other OV's.

As said before, he gone!

 

[NDdomer2]

is this where someone at 247 says "i expect him to be Irish by end of the week"????

 

[GBdomer]

is this where someone at 247 says "i expect him to be Irish by end of the week"????

That would be the whisper Wiltfong