Racism

[phgreek]

So the assumption is that people in Charlottesville who were protesting nazi's were peaceful?

People who aren't liberals protesting are aholes got what they deserved.

Thanks. Case in point.

For the record, I think they are both aholes.

It'll be awesome when the press provides a full dossier on people involved here like the protesters in Charlottesville ...wait...never mind....

 

[Redbar]

When two kids fight on the playground and they both get punished for fighting, the school is absolutely enforcing the same PC stuff that people are so fed up with. It is no different than "everyone gets a trophy" or "we won't keep score" IMO. There is only one thing that matters: Who threw the first punch? That person initiated violence. The other person, even if they trounce the bully is not engaging in "violence" they ARE using "force", but that force is at times the proper response to violence. So who is initiating the violence? To continuously drone on about how facists and anti-fascists are the same, is to not acknowledge this principle.

I will say that Antifa is the best thing to happen to the cowards or sympathizes who lack the sack or the conviction to unambiguously denounce and oppose the presence of Nazi's and radical racist in our midst.

 

[IrishLax]

When two kids fight on the playground and they both get punished for fighting, the school is absolutely enforcing the same PC stuff that people are so fed up with. It is no different than "everyone gets a trophy" or "we won't keep score" IMO. There is only one thing that matters: Who threw the first punch? That person initiated violence. The other person, even if they trounce the bully is not engaging in "violence" they ARE using "force", but that force is at times the proper response to violence. So who is initiating the violence? To continuously drone on about how facists and anti-fascists are the same, is to not acknowledge this principle.

I will say that Antifa is the best thing to happen to the cowards or sympathizes who lack the sack or the conviction to unambiguously denounce and oppose the presence of Nazi's and radical racist in our midst.

Kind of on-the-nose example, but Antifa is like that guy from the sitcom Wrecked that gets a gun and gets out of control and shoots a guy. Later, they find out the guy he shot was a Nazi... and he's all like "hey! I'm not a murderer! I'm a HERO that saved everyone from a NAZI!"

The problem with Antifa is that they believe everything they're doing follows my last sentence. When in reality, they're going around assaulting a ton of people that are not Nazis, KKK, or white supremacists. They're even so stupid that they assaulted some of their own counter-protesters because they "thought" they were "Nazis"... just because of their skin color. How ironic is that? They also beat up journalists, and conservative black people.

When they eventually kill someone, that's when shit is finally going to come to a head.

 

[connor_in]

PSH, only white people got beat up: Mother Jones journo claims AntiFa wasn’t violent in Berkeley

 

[connor_in]

This is from WaPo:

Black-clad antifa members attack peaceful right-wing demonstrators in Berkeley


and this is only about 10 days since they put this one out:

Why the American left gave up on political violence

 

[drayer54]

My biggest problem with ANTIFA, other than they are trampling on the bill of rights in the name of fighting fascism, is that the media has given them a total pass. If this were a right wing group, they would be getting 24/7 shaming from the msm.

 

[Wild Bill]

When two kids fight on the playground and they both get punished for fighting, the school is absolutely enforcing the same PC stuff that people are so fed up with. It is no different than "everyone gets a trophy" or "we won't keep score" IMO. There is only one thing that matters: Who threw the first punch? That person initiated violence. The other person, even if they trounce the bully is not engaging in "violence" they ARE using "force", but that force is at times the proper response to violence. So who is initiating the violence? To continuously drone on about how facists and anti-fascists are the same, is to not acknowledge this principle.

I will say that Antifa is the best thing to happen to the cowards or sympathizes who lack the sack or the conviction to unambiguously denounce and oppose the presence of Nazi's and radical racist in our midst.

Our establishment, government, politicians both dems and gop, government policies, media, news organizations, big business, etc all oppose and denounce white racism, nazis, white supremacy, etc. They go even further and oppose and denounce white identity movements, while at the same time celebrating identity movements of any other non-white group. Nobody with a shred of power in this country would ever tolerate white ID politics.

In my experience, whites don't even enjoy the same freedom as their non-white neighbors to express a harmless individual pride in their own race. For instance, if I openly stated that I'm proud of my white heritage at work, I'd be terminated instantly. If I said it around my neighbors, I'd be ostracized from my community. If I said it around my family, they'd look at me like I had three heads. Everyone understands the double standard even if they are not willing to acknowledge it exists.

So if Antifa was the only group with the balls to denounce or oppose white racists, how the hell would any of this be our reality? Of course they're not the only group who denounces white racism. That's complete bullshit. They're the only group that uses violence to oppose them and the left loves it.

 

[pkt77242]

Our establishment, government, politicians both dems and gop, government policies, media, news organizations, big business, etc all oppose and denounce white racism, nazis, white supremacy, etc. They go even further and oppose and denounce white identity movements, while at the same time celebrating identity movements of any other non-white group. Nobody with a shred of power in this country would even tolerate white ID politics.

In my experience, whites don't even enjoy the same freedom as their non-white neighbors to express a harmless individual pride in their own race. For instance, if I openly stated that I'm proud of my white heritage at work, I'd be terminated instantly. If I said it around my neighbors, I'd be ostracized from my community. If I said it around my family, they'd look at me like I had three heads. Everyone understands the double standard even if they are not willing to acknowledge it exists.

So if Antifa was the only group with the balls to denounce or oppose white racists, how the hell would any of this be our reality? Of course they're not the only group who denounces white racism. That's complete bullshit. They're the only group that uses violence to oppose them and the left loves it.

I disagree with with some/most of this:

1. White people celebrate their heritage and businesses support it. Polish festivals, Scottish festivals, Irish, etc. Many people on this board are proud of their Irish heritage and there is nothing wrong with that. You can be proud of your heritage.

2. There is no "white heritage".

3. There is only a generic "black heritage" because we pretty much erased their individual heritage when we brought them over as slaves. We tore apart their families so that children had no idea of their heritage, so their heritage became "black heritage".

Sorry about it being short/curt but I am on my phone.

 

[NorthDakota]

I disagree with with some/most of this:

1. White people celebrate their heritage and businesses support it. Polish festivals, Scottish festivals, Irish, etc. Many people on this board are proud of their Irish heritage and there is nothing wrong with that. You can be proud of your heritage.

2. There is no "white heritage".

3. There is only a generic "black heritage" because we pretty much erased their individual heritage when we brought them over as slaves. We tore apart their families so that children had no idea of their heritage, so their heritage became "black heritage".

Sorry about it being short/curt but I am on my phone.

Who is we?

 

[Old Man Mike]

Although NDak and I hardly agree on much, I completely agree with his last comment (who is we?). I get VERY tired of people trying to get me to apologize for past persons' actions that I wasn't alive for, and certainly abhor let alone support.

I feel the same way about people trying to send me on a Germans-killed-the-Jews guilt trip. I didn't and my Dad and Godfather fought them. I can sympathize with the actual people who suffer --- that's Catholicism. I can try to help those who are suffering --- that's The Beatitudes. But I don't have to be "racist" if I refuse to have guilt about the fact that these things happened.

Most of these comments in this thread have some validity. Some don't. Laying guilt trips on persons who did not do the heinous acts, and do not condone them is an example of a wrong-headed and unproductive "argument."

 

[Wild Bill]

I disagree with with some/most of this:

1. White people celebrate their heritage and businesses support it. Polish festivals, Scottish festivals, Irish, etc. Many people on this board are proud of their Irish heritage and there is nothing wrong with that. You can be proud of your heritage.

2. There is no "white heritage".

3. There is only a generic "black heritage" because we pretty much erased their individual heritage when we brought them over as slaves. We tore apart their families so that children had no idea of their heritage, so their heritage became "black heritage".

Sorry about it being short/curt but I am on my phone.

At some point white Americans lose their European identity and become Americans. I don't expect a third generation German to identify as a German American. He's American, and when he checks a box on a government form, he's a white American.

White Americans and black Americans are unique to whites and blacks that aren't American.

Either way, to the extent we recognize race, my point still stands.

 

[connor_in]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/opinion/college-football-black-athletes.html

 

[Voltaire]

I disagree with with some/most of this:

1. White people celebrate their heritage and businesses support it. Polish festivals, Scottish festivals, Irish, etc. Many people on this board are proud of their Irish heritage and there is nothing wrong with that. You can be proud of your heritage.

2. There is no "white heritage".

3. There is only a generic "black heritage" because we pretty much erased their individual heritage when we brought them over as slaves. We tore apart their families so that children had no idea of their heritage, so their heritage became "black heritage".

Sorry about it being short/curt but I am on my phone.

What is the implication here? Look, slavery was an absolutely evil institution. It is an unfortunate reality of human behavior that across all skin tones people have historically had a tendency to act on their lesser natures, but if you look across the pond at sub-Saharan Africa, those folks are up to their eyeballs in whatever tribal/cultural/regional heritage their ancestors were born with and whatever has been imported more recently (e.g., Islam), and yet so much of it remains a dangerous, violent, poverty-stricken, dumpster fire (e.g., Nigeria, Gambia, Somalia, Central African Republic, etc.) inflamed in large part by regional, tribal, and ethnic allegiances.

Your worth and value as a human being have nothing to do with what someone / some people with your skin tone and facial features did fifty years ago or over the last thousand years. That's done. Regardless of how tied you feel to whatever group of people in the past, their contributions have been made, and they did their part, good or bad. You can feel proud of that or not or whatever, but any capable person's self-worth and mission in life should be entirely about what are you doing today for your friends, family, at your job, and anyone else's lives that you can directly impact in a fair, constructive, and gracious way.

 

[phgreek]

My biggest problem with ANTIFA, other than they are trampling on the bill of rights in the name of fighting fascism, is that the media has given them a total pass. If this were a right wing group, they would be getting 24/7 shaming from the msm.

...by name, home town, mother's maiden name, school teachers perspectives...people who knew someone who knew them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crying for them, but would like Antifa to get some of the same treatment...they won't.

 

[connor_in]

It is time to examine the words and the origins of our national anthem, another neo-Confederate symbol - Salon.com

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/08/28/slippery-slope-salon-calls-to-examine-the-words-and-origins-of-another-neo-confederate-symbol/

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2017/08/28/lol-guy-benson-lets-salon-know-how-this-natl-anthem-tweet-could-have-been-much-shorter/

 

[IrishLax]

Berkeley Mayor: Classify Antifa ‘As A Gang’ « CBS San Francisco -- FWIW, this guy was previously tied to Facebook groups that organized Antifa "counter-protests" so it sure is good seeing someone on the left trying to draw a clear line between violent rioting and peaceful assembly.

 

[Legacy]

White Lives Matter Murfreesboro rally: What we know now (Tennessean)

Members of several white nationalist groups are expected to rally at locations in Shelbyville and Murfreesboro as part of a White Lives Matter event Saturday.

Authorities will try to keep counter protesters to designated areas in both towns.

Other community groups have planned off-site demonstrations and protests throughout the day in both towns.

White nationalists speakers expected at the rallies are League of the South president Michael Hill and Matthew Heimbach, a leader in the Traditionalist Worker Party. Organizers have also extended an invitation to Richard Spencer, a controversial leader in the "alt-right" and "identitarian" movements. Other groups may join as well.

Why Murfreesboro?

This isn’t the first time Murfreesboro has been the site of racially-charged demonstrations led by far-right white nationalist groups.

Middle Tennessee was chosen specifically because it’s a typically red state, rally organizers have said.

In an early blog post announcing the event, organizers specifically called out President Donald Trump for not addressing the recent Nashville church shooting, during which police say 25-year-old Emanuel Samson opened fire at Burnette Chapel Church of Christ, killing one and injuring seven others. Samson came to the United States from Sudan.

Other narratives from event organizers cite the changing demographics of the region, in part because of the resettlement of refugees and other immigrants settling in Middle Tennessee. The growing diversity of the area doesn’t fit with the stated goal of white nationalists to promote a white enthostate, where only white people are allowed.

Local leaders, including city officials and clergy members, have condemned the white supremacist views of rally organizers and their affiliates.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which has previously defended the right to protest for all, released a statement Thursday denouncing their rhetoric while affirming the right to free speech for all.

More: 'This movement is evil': Religious leaders denounce 'white lives matter' rallies

“Particularly in the context of today's administration, we believe it is dangerous for government officials to pick and choose the speech they favor and the speech they will permit. We applaud the cities of Shelbyville and Murfreesboro for working hard to simultaneously protect free speech and public safety,” the ACLU said in the statement

 

[NDhoosier]

Im from a somewhat nearby city in Tennessee and this has become quite a bit deal in the area. Many people are fearful of what will happen and majority of the nearby police departments are doing riot control training as well. I will say that, outside of Metro, most of the surrounding police departments are not fully equipped and trained on riot control.

 

[BGIF]

Murfreesboro police released a list Friday with the full list of banned items.

The full list of banned items:

Aerosol cans, spray cans and pressurized canisters;
Air horns and similar noise-making devices;
Alcohol;
Ammunition;
Axes, ax handles and hatchets;
Balloons;
Baseball and softball bats;
Batons and clubs;
Bicycles;
Bicycle locks, including U-Lock bike locks;
Biological agents or biohazards;
Blades and bladed items, including knives, daggers, swords and razor blades;
Bolts;
Bows and arrows;
Bricks;
Coolers;
Drones and other unmanned aircraft systems;
Eggs;
Explosives;
Firearms, including licensed concealed or open-carry firearms;
Fireworks;
Gasoline, kerosene or any other flammable liquid;
Glass bottles;
Glass, thermal or metal containers;
Hazardous chemical agents (including bio toxins, blister agents/vesicants, blood
agents, caustics/acids, pulmonary agents, incapacitating agents, nerve agents, riot
control agents/tear gas, organic solvents, metallic or other poisons;
Heavy gauge chains;
Ice picks;
Laser pointers;
Lengths of lumber or wood;
Liquids, including water;
Metal beverage or food cans or containers;
Metal or PVC pipes;
Metal nuts;
Packages that are sealed/unopened or whose contents cannot be readily determined by law enforcement;
Pepper spray, mace and similar substances;
Poles;
Rocks;
Rolled coins;
Selfie sticks;
Shields;
Signs not constructed solely of foam core, cardboard or paper;
Skateboards;
Spears;
Sticks and staffs;
Tasers and stun guns;
Tent/canopy poles or stakes;
Torches, lanterns or any other devices that use fire or fuel;
Toy or replica weapons;
Tripods for cameras or video cameras;
Umbrellas;
Wagons/carts;
Wooden dowels; and
Any other item, which in the assessment of law enforcement could be used as a weapon or otherwise presents an unreasonable risk to public safety.
Other prohibited items include:

Helmets;
Bullet-proof vests and other protective vests/body armor;
Masks of any kind (including gas masks and costume masks);
Tents or canopies.

 

[Legacy]

Why Shelbyville and Murfreesboro for the white supremacists rally?
The League of the South, whose members held demonstrations in the same two cities exactly four years ago, wished to “warn the public about the consequences of refugee resettlement, mass immigration, multiculturalism, political correctness and terrorism and how this curse would haunt the region.”

Memphis has renamed three city parks - Confederate Park, Jefferson Davis Park and Forrest Park - with the courts affirming the city's authority. Forrest Park holds the remains of Nathan Bedford Forrest, a renowned Confederate General, who was a slave owner and slave trader and a prominent member of the KKK after the war. Bedford Forrest is also known for the Fort Pillow Massacre of three hundred Union soldiers, primarily African-American, after the Fort had surrendered.

Memphis would relocate his remains and a massive statue of him, but has been obstructed by the Tennessee Heritage Protection Act of 2016, which says “Except as otherwise provided in this section, no memorial regarding a historic conflict, historic entity, historic event, historic figure, or historic organization that is, or is located on, public property, may be removed, renamed, relocated, altered, rededicated, or otherwise disturbed or altered.” A waiver can be sought from the Tennessee Historical Commission but requires two-thirds of the Commission members to agree. The Commission overwhelmingly denied the waiver sought by the city of Memphis to move the statues.

There are approximately 70 Confederate monuments in Tennessee.

 

[wizards8507]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Something is very fishy when two promising young black QBs like <a href="https://twitter.com/teddyb_h2o?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@teddyb_h2o</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@deshaunwatson</a> go down in non-contact ACL during practice.</p>— Chris Stevenson (@pointblank009) <a href="https://twitter.com/pointblank009/status/926437289613561857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[GoldenDomer]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Something is very fishy when two promising young black QBs like <a href="https://twitter.com/teddyb_h2o?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@teddyb_h2o</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/deshaunwatson?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@deshaunwatson</a> go down in non-contact ACL during practice.</p>— Chris Stevenson (@pointblank009) <a href="https://twitter.com/pointblank009/status/926437289613561857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[pkt77242]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/03/miami-firefighters-fired-after-hanging-noose-black-colleagues-family-photo/830528001/

 

[Legacy]

Virginia governor's contest charged with racial overtones (Roanoke Times)

Activists eye post-Charlottesville surge in black voting in Virginia (Politico)

 

[IrishLax]

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-wrote-racial-slur-outside-his-own-dorm-room/

So the whole incident was a hoax.

 

[GoldenDomer]

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-wrote-racial-slur-outside-his-own-dorm-room/

So the whole incident was a hoax.

Seems to be the norm with these incidents. Whenever I hear about racist graffiti or imagery on a college campus or personal property in the news, I just wait patiently until the victim cracks and admits it was a publicity stunt.

 

[NorthDakota]

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/...-wrote-racial-slur-outside-his-own-dorm-room/

So the whole incident was a hoax.

No joke, during DoD orientation last week they went over this incident about how this was a huge black eye for the USAF and they want to make it clear that racism is not tolerated among civilian employees as well as active duty.

Turns out the dude was a soft little bitch. Wonder if there were some cadets in particular he wanted to get in trouble.

 

[IrishLax]

National anthem is racist, California NAACP says | The Sacramento Bee

 

[IrishLax]

Draymond Green of Golden State Warriors talks race relations while serving as keynote speaker at Harvard University

Draymond Green sounds pretty stupid trying to be #woke:

"And so, when you look at the word 'owner,' it really dates back to slavery. The word 'owner,' 'master' -- it dates back to slavery. ... We just took the words and we continued to put it to use"

......no. Per Google, he term "owner" dates back to Middle English in the 1300s and is a derivative of "own" from Old English from way before that. It is used to define the possessor of any object, period. It's a basic concept of human existence that people have things that are theirs... from cattle to houses to pots. And, yes, for the short historical period of American chattel slavery it referred to slaves. That's not the "origin" of the word.

 

[ACamp1900]

Why the all-holy-fuck-all is Green speaking at Harvard to begin with?????