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We're in a new era where local, state and national political leaders voice racist remarks and are unapologetic, blaming the media while using it.

Some examples off the top of my head from the recent midterms:

U.S. Rep Steve King's remarks and actions targeting Jews and immigrants causing King to be disavowed by a prominent national Republican leader and abandoned by the National Republican Congressional Committee and three major U.S. companies announced they will no longer donate campaign money to King. Jewish leaders highlighted his recent remarks to members of the far-right Austrian party on a trip funded by a Holocaust memorial non-profit. The optics of him hunting with DJT, Jr. hurt the Party. He was still re-elected after all this came out.

Or the racist robo calls by white supremacists both in Florida's and Georgia's Governors races where the black candidates - Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams - were running. It called Gillum a monkey.

Or Ron DeSantis' remark on Fox that remark by him that Florida voters shouldn't "monkey this up" by voting for Gillum instead of him.

Or the candidate for Mississippi Senator, Cindy Hyde-Smith, who is in a runoff against a black candidate, Mike Espy, that she would be in the front row of a public hanging. In Mississippi and the South that conveys a certain message to a particular group.

Or the Arizona Rep David Stringer, who said that immigrants pose an "existential threat" to our society, also occasioning the Party to withdraw its support and calling on him to resign after his racist explanation of why immigrants are hurting America. The Party said: "These remarks have no place in our society." The Arizona Party breathed a sign of relief when McSally won the primary over Kelli Ward and Joe Arpaio.

Or the neo-Nazi from Idaho using a robocall in Iowa to spread his white supremacist message linking Molly Tibbetts' death to immigrants, causing the Governor to call it "disgusting".

You hear these remarks in the open, knowing that they appeal to a minority that are becoming more vocal and supportive of white nationalists agenda of hate. They have no place in a nation that considers itself multi-cultural and accepting of all religions and, especially in areas of the country that are predominantly Christian and would place the Ten Commandments in public places as representative of their faith.
 
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We're in a new era where local, state and national political leaders voice racist remarks and are unapologetic, blaming the media while using it.

Some examples off the top of my head from the recent midterms:

U.S. Rep Steve King's remarks and actions targeting Jews and immigrants causing King to be disavowed by a prominent national Republican leader and abandoned by the National Republican Congressional Committee and three major U.S. companies announced they will no longer donate campaign money to King. Jewish leaders highlighted his recent remarks to members of the far-right Austrian party on a trip funded by a Holocaust memorial non-profit. The optics of him hunting with DJT, Jr. hurt the Party. He was still re-elected after all this came out.

Or the racist robo calls by white supremacists both in Florida's and Georgia's Governors races where the black candidates - Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams - were running. It called Gillum a monkey.

Or Ron DeSantis' remark on Fox that remark by him that Florida voters shouldn't "monkey this up" by voting for Gillum instead of him.

Or the candidate for Mississippi Senator, Cindy Hyde-Smith, who is in a runoff against a black candidate, Mike Espy, that she would be in the front row of a public hanging. In Mississippi and the South that conveys a certain message to a particular group.

Or the Arizona Rep David Stringer, who said that immigrants pose an "existential threat" to our society, also occasioning the Party to withdraw its support and calling on him to resign after his racist explanation of why immigrants are hurting America. The Party said: "These remarks have no place in our society." The Arizona Party breathed a sign of relief when McSally won the primary over Kelli Ward and Joe Arpaio.

Or the neo-Nazi from Idaho using a robocall in Iowa to spread his white supremacist message linking Molly Tibbetts' death to immigrants, causing the Governor to call it "disgusting".

You hear these remarks in the open, knowing that they appeal to a minority that are becoming more vocal and supportive of white nationalists agenda of hate. They have no place in a nation that considers itself multi-cultural and accepting of all religions and, especially in areas of the country that are predominantly Christian and would place the Ten Commandments in public places as representative of their faith.

A big part of the problem is that you refer to a politician as a "leader."

Another is that you are seeking out racism, even if it doesn't exist. Why no outrage for hillary clinton claiming all black people look alike, just a couple weeks ago? Why no outrage for black "leaders' making hateful and derogatory remarks against white people and Jews?

If you are anti-racism, then actually be anti-racism, not simply anti-republican party, which is all you ever appear to be.
 

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You can also go ahead and do away with your philosophy that voter ID laws are suppressive because minorities (blacks and hispanics) lack the ability and resources to get an ID.

That's racist AF.
 

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You can also go ahead and do away with your philosophy that voter ID laws are suppressive because minorities (blacks and hispanics) lack the ability and resources to get an ID.

That's racist AF.

You can't win this argument against the Lib's. They would just respond that it's racist that you think it's racist.
 

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You can also go ahead and do away with your philosophy that voter ID laws are suppressive because minorities (blacks and hispanics) lack the ability and resources to get an ID.

That's racist AF.

Totally agree. I've always thought the Left's entire "You're helpless and can only succeed with us pulling you up and telling you what to do" philosophy was racist, condescending, and insulting as hell to minorities.
 

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Totally agree. I've always thought the Left's entire "You're helpless and can only succeed with us pulling you up and telling you what to do" philosophy was racist, condescending, and insulting as hell to minorities.

I see it as more bigoted than racist.
 

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If you are anti-racism, then actually be anti-racism, not simply anti-republican party, which is all you ever appear to be.

I've had similar replies to Legacy on multiple topics. He saves his outrage and foot long posts for the GOP. His blinders are obvious when it comes to any nefarious deeds committed by dems. GOP BAD. DEMs GOOD.
 

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I've had similar replies to Legacy on multiple topics. He saves his outrage and foot long posts for the GOP. His blinders are obvious when it comes to any nefarious deeds committed by dems. GOP BAD. DEMs GOOD.

I know. I'm just simply calling him out. He rarely posts anything beyond an article, sans commentary. When he does actually post "commentary" it's stuff like this, lacking proper context and/or logic.

I'm all for differing and opposing points of view. I, unlike many, actually believe something can be gained from them...and can occasionally even change a person's overall perspective or philosophy. I think differing views can, at the very least, make one question some of his own views and their validity.

That was a garbage post though. He should at least understand that, or at least understand the inconsistency in his thought process.
 

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I know. I'm just simply calling him out. He rarely posts anything beyond an article, sans commentary. When he does actually post "commentary" it's stuff like this, lacking proper context and/or logic.

I'm all for differing and opposing points of view. I, unlike many, actually believe something can be gained from them...and can occasionally even change a person's overall perspective or philosophy. I think differing views can, at the very least, make one question some of his own views and their validity.

That was a garbage post though. He should at least understand that, or at least understand the inconsistency in his thought process.

Agree 100%.
On this particular topic, anyone who doesn't see that racism exists on both sides of the political spectrum, and also within all shades of skin, is just simply singing a partisan narrative.
 

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We're in a new era where local, state and national political leaders voice racist remarks and are unapologetic, blaming the media while using it.

Some examples off the top of my head from the recent midterms:

U.S. Rep Steve King's remarks and actions targeting Jews and immigrants causing King to be disavowed by a prominent national Republican leader and abandoned by the National Republican Congressional Committee and three major U.S. companies announced they will no longer donate campaign money to King. Jewish leaders highlighted his recent remarks to members of the far-right Austrian party on a trip funded by a Holocaust memorial non-profit. The optics of him hunting with DJT, Jr. hurt the Party. He was still re-elected after all this came out.

Or the racist robo calls by white supremacists both in Florida's and Georgia's Governors races where the black candidates - Andrew Gillum and Stacey Abrams - were running. It called Gillum a monkey.

Or Ron DeSantis' remark on Fox that remark by him that Florida voters shouldn't "monkey this up" by voting for Gillum instead of him.

Or the candidate for Mississippi Senator, Cindy Hyde-Smith, who is in a runoff against a black candidate, Mike Espy, that she would be in the front row of a public hanging. In Mississippi and the South that conveys a certain message to a particular group.

Or the Arizona Rep David Stringer, who said that immigrants pose an "existential threat" to our society, also occasioning the Party to withdraw its support and calling on him to resign after his racist explanation of why immigrants are hurting America. The Party said: "These remarks have no place in our society." The Arizona Party breathed a sign of relief when McSally won the primary over Kelli Ward and Joe Arpaio.

Or the neo-Nazi from Idaho using a robocall in Iowa to spread his white supremacist message linking Molly Tibbetts' death to immigrants, causing the Governor to call it "disgusting".

You hear these remarks in the open, knowing that they appeal to a minority that are becoming more vocal and supportive of white nationalists agenda of hate. They have no place in a nation that considers itself multi-cultural and accepting of all religions and, especially in areas of the country that are predominantly Christian and would place the Ten Commandments in public places as representative of their faith.


Racists King and Stringer won their race. Racist DeSantis won unless Broward can work their magic. Racist Hyde-Smith is a heavy favorite to win the runoff.

Good girl McSally lost.

Really makes you think.
 

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I understood, as many have, how the tenor of this thread has evolved and even have had advice and support from many. The " oh, yeah" and "what aboutism" with any sort of attack and dispargement of those who post anything that is considered by some as "leftist" or "lib" is almost predictable. Posts like #170 with links to racism throughout the country may well be ignored. Certainly to me I understand whatever motivates that reaction and expect an iconoclastic response that attacks an individual's thought processes, etc. further resorting to simplifications based on perceived ideology taking those to reactionary generalizations. I made no such generalizations in my post #181 except a conclusion that hate has no place in our society based on our values and the involvement of white supremacists in our midterms.

As far as my post #181, anything other than a superficial reading recognizes that of my six examples, two were illustrations of the Republican Party condemning the remarks and withdrawing their support, two examples were of robo calls by white supremacists unattached to the Republican Party, and the last two were from candidates in races in the South referring to "hangings" and "monkeys". Certainly, in the four instances involving candidates - two of which were condemned by the Republican Party with comments like "These remarks have no place in our society." and "disgusting" - those candidates are Republicans, but not identified by me as such specifically. That was an intentional decision. But, of course, anyone familiar with politics today would recognize an affiliation. I am open to anyone willing to provide their responses to the condemnations by the Republican Party or to the white supremacists' messaging or to those Southern candidates' phraseology, which is more representative of George Wallace than Reagan, Bush, McCain, or Romney.

Spreading or condoning hatred towards Jews, blacks, Hispanics or other groups that respond to these is a failure of leadership, which the Republican Party showed in two of the six instances, but are instances of a heretofore cultural abscess long festering within the societal body of America but which is contrary to our values based on Christian mores. Reducing that to ideologic attacks is unworthy.
 
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Chipotle rethinking firing manager who refused to serve black customers over ‘dine and dash’ fears
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chipotle...hey-might-have-failed-to-pay-for-meals-before

the TLDR version is

-Chipotle manager fired and called racist after suggesting a patron was going to dine and dash
-Patron puts vid out on social media calling out racism and posts the location and phone #
-Patron then found to 1) have a history of dining and dashing at that same restaurant, and also a social media history of dining and dashing, saying he's only renting the food for a while...


This is a great example that some people just lie, and some just jump on racism bandwagon without any concern over facts. Race card played, and trumped. Racism does exist, and people like this should be locked up for using it for their own selfish purposes. And shame on Chipotle for guilty before facts firing. Hope they learn from this.
 

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Chipotle rethinking firing manager who refused to serve black customers over ‘dine and dash’ fears
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chipotle...hey-might-have-failed-to-pay-for-meals-before

the TLDR version is

-Chipotle manager fired and called racist after suggesting a patron was going to dine and dash
-Patron puts vid out on social media calling out racism and posts the location and phone #
-Patron then found to 1) have a history of dining and dashing at that same restaurant, and also a social media history of dining and dashing, saying he's only renting the food for a while...


This is a great example that some people just lie, and some just jump on racism bandwagon without any concern over facts. Race card played, and trumped. Racism does exist, and people like this should be locked up for using it for their own selfish purposes. And shame on Chipotle for guilty before facts firing. Hope they learn from this.

Who over at FOX scooped that story? Good on them!
 

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I had not heard of the Tulsa Race Riot. (or Massacre), though I had heard of the Rosewood Massacre.

A Racial Awakening: Tulsa Struggles To Make Amends for a Massacre it ignored for nearly a century

But it's noted in:
Mass racial violence in the United States

One of the deadliest, if not the deadliest, is the Elaine Massacre in Arkansas.

History puts this in perspective.
Mississippi Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith Joked About Going to a ‘Public Hanging’
From the Jackson (MS) Free Press:
Between 1877 and 1950, Mississippi had the highest number of lynchings of African Americans of any state in the United States, just as the state had been the wealthiest from slavery before the Civil War, and then later passed the most onerous laws after Reconstruction to stop black people from voting and gain equal rights in the state.

Across Mississippi, 654 lynchings were reported in that period, including two in Lee County, where Hyde-Smith’s comments were made. Lynchings — extrajudicial mob justice used to intimidate African Americans — were usually done by hanging, often in front of crowds of joyous whites who even mailed postcards with lynching photographs to friends and family.
 
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Don’t fuck with the Peanuts round me and not expect to get called out,... especially Schroeder. Schroeder is my boy.

Schroeder. German name. He's your boy? Nazi. Go to hell ACamp. Seriously. You intolerant bastard. Fuck off.
 

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https://www.al.com/news/2018/12/ala...ies-tell-her-to-kill-herself-family-says.html

This story just bothers the hell out of me and is sad on so many different levels. This cute, normal nine-year-old black girl attended a primarily black elementary school. She usually rode to school with a white classmate. The other black kids harassed and bullied her over that and tormented her, telling her, "you think you’re white because you ride with that white boy,” calling her ugly, and telling her to kill herself. She did. I just feel sick over this and want to cry for that little girl and her family.
 

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https://www.al.com/news/2018/12/ala...ies-tell-her-to-kill-herself-family-says.html

This story just bothers the hell out of me and is sad on so many different levels. This cute, normal nine-year-old black girl attended a primarily black elementary school. She usually rode to school with a white classmate. The other black kids harassed and bullied her over that and tormented her, telling her, "you think you’re white because you ride with that white boy,” calling her ugly, and telling her to kill herself. She did. I just feel sick over this and want to cry for that little girl and her family.

So sad on so many levels. Those kids should be forced to attend her funeral.
 

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https://www.al.com/news/2018/12/ala...ies-tell-her-to-kill-herself-family-says.html

This story just bothers the hell out of me and is sad on so many different levels. This cute, normal nine-year-old black girl attended a primarily black elementary school. She usually rode to school with a white classmate. The other black kids harassed and bullied her over that and tormented her, telling her, "you think you’re white because you ride with that white boy,” calling her ugly, and telling her to kill herself. She did. I just feel sick over this and want to cry for that little girl and her family.

so sad. racism comes from every race. it's all the more sad when it comes from the young. and sadder yet when directed at someone who is innocently trying to bridge a divide.
 

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"Racism Is something we're taught". It's amazing the way things seem out of control to us oldies and people outside of the big picture type things.
I'll go ahead and venture to guess there's not very many of us on this board that has felt racism In more than 1 way. I hope I'm wrong. I've personally lived both ends of this weird spectrum and still can't put a finger to it.

'The Hate U Give'

https://g.co/kgs/upJBzA

At the end of the day... If you plan to protest in the future and you think that tear gas might be used. Bring Milk.
 
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so sad. racism comes from every race. it's all the more sad when it comes from the young. and sadder yet when directed at someone who is innocently trying to bridge a divide.


I can't even imagine the family's grief about this beautiful little girl.

My little brother killed himself over bullying in '97. He was 17. I still have a hard time with what may have been If he could have survived High School.

My brother has an ole friend that still carries a really good message about bullying and It's worth every minute we have; to think about our actions.

Elec Simon. He was a very close friend of my brother and he has done more than I could ever have expected. Take a minute If you can and watch.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TvCPHcu0JDI" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

For anyone else wanting more info. He was doing halftime shows for the Cleveland Cavaliers. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/awuMtmlOaSk" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>
 
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I can't even imagine the family's grief about this beautiful little girl.

My little brother killed himself over bullying in '97. He was 17. I still have a hard time with what may have been If he could have survived High School.

My brother has an ole friend that still carries a really good message about bullying and It's worth every minute we have; to think about our actions.

Elec Simon. He was a very close friend of my brother and he has done more than I could ever have expected. Take a minute If you can and watch.

Sorry to hear about your brother. I can't imagine how this has affected you and your parents. Tip of the hat to Mr. Simon.
 

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I can't even imagine the family's grief about this beautiful little girl.



My little brother killed himself over bullying in '97. He was 17. I still have a hard time with what may have been If he could have survived High School.



My brother has an ole friend that still carries a really good message about bullying and It's worth every minute we have; to think about our actions.



Elec Simon. He was a very close friend of my brother and he has done more than I could ever have expected. Take a minute If you can and watch.



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TvCPHcu0JDI" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>



For anyone else wanting more info. He was doing halftime shows for the Cleveland Cavaliers. <iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/awuMtmlOaSk" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>



Sorry to hear about your brother. Elec I believe lives where I live. He performs a lot in Canton, Ohio. I have heard great things about him.
 

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I can't even imagine the family's grief about this beautiful little girl.

My little brother killed himself over bullying in '97. He was 17. I still have a hard time with what may have been If he could have survived High School.

My brother has an ole friend that still carries a really good message about bullying and It's worth every minute we have; to think about our actions.

Elec Simon. He was a very close friend of my brother and he has done more than I could ever have expected. Take a minute If you can and watch.

Great vid, and sorry for your loss.
I was both a lucky and unlucky kid in a lot of ways growing up. One lucky element was that my parents looked beyond color. Both grew up in a time where racism was strong, and even they had their moments. But when it mattered, they opened up their hearts and home to anyone. I went to a Catholic grade school that was pretty poor, and not very diverse. We only had two African Americans in our small school, but my parents, especially my father, did a lot to help the family of one of the two. My mother's favorite in my class was a Mexican girl whom she just loved to death. They are still FB buddies. Over my 40+ years, my best buds have included just about every race and religion, and from just about every continent.

When it came to bullies, my father always taught me to stick up for the little guy. I was the little guy until about 6 or 7th grade, when I became the big strong guy. I wouldn't say bullying was a huge problem at my grade school, but I got in my fair share of school yard scuffles with upper class kids picking on the younger. I have to say my HS was pretty good, but there were a few assholes. They weren't the popular kids you see TV shows about, they were just kids who saw weakness and tried to make themselves fill powerful by picking on someone defenseless. My class in particular in HS was actually pretty good in self regulating assholes.
 
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