Post Game observations Purdue '14

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Warranted by the letter of the law, definitely.

But it was a difficult penalty for me to swallow, as an Irish fan. The way I saw it, Max left his feet intending to tackle the scrambling QB low, but then the QB initiated a slide just as Max initiated his tackle, and Max's helmet hit Etling's helmet, but at the height where Etling's thighs would have been if he hadn't started to slide. I'm not really sure what Max was supposed to do to avoid the helmet-to-helmet contact. Etling brought his helmet down to the level of Max's helmet at about the same time that Max initiated the tackle. Things look different in slow-mo, but in real time I doubt he had time to adjust.

The problem I have with this is not that Max was penalized for accidental helmet-to-helmet contact. People get penalized for accidental conduct (in the sense of "mistimed" or "without intention to commit wrong") all the time. A false start is accidental. PI is often accidental. Etc.

But Max was not just penalized; he was ejected. You should only be ejected for malicious, intentional, or exceptionally reckless wrongdoing, imo. Although there was helmet to helmet contact, I really don't see how Max was supposed to have avoided it except by avoiding the ball-carrier. He was ejected for taking the normal football action of attempting to make a tackle because he happened to make helmet-to-helmet contact. It seems really unfair to me to humiliate the tackler and paint him a dirty player, which is what an ejection does, under those circumstances.

I saw something different here, looked to me like Max had a split second choice to make. He chose the one that was illegal. That doesn't make him a bad guy because it's really hard to turn off the "kill" instinct, but I thought he definitely went for the hit.
 

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I saw something different here, looked to me like Max had a split second choice to make. He chose the one that was illegal. That doesn't make him a bad guy because it's really hard to turn off the "kill" instinct, but I thought he definitely went for the hit.

https://vine.co/v/Oar0VLhUgBp

I was obviously drunker than I realized on Saturday night. Having just reviewed the play, I totally agree with you. My outrage was unwarranted. Haha.
 

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I was obviously drunker than I realized on Saturday night. Having just reviewed the play, I totally agree with you. My outrage was unwarranted. Haha.

Oh yeah, no argument on that at all. I know it's a bang-bang play, but it looked like Max had time to pull up or at least make it very clear that he wanted to bail out and not hit a sliding QB.

(Can't say I'm at all mad about Max's aggressive playing style though. Between seizing the opportunity and laying out Gardner, and generally playing with a visible fire, a play like this is a good moment for him to discover the line between aggressive/dumb.)
 

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Oh yeah, no argument on that at all. I know it's a bang-bang play, but it looked like Max had time to pull up or at least sell out and not hit a sliding QB.

(Can't say I'm at all mad about Max's aggressive playing style though. Between seizing the opportunity and laying out Gardner, and generally playing with a visible fire, a play like this is a good moment for him to discover the line between aggressive/dumb.)

Yep, I agree. I like the aggressiveness, and hopefully he learned a valuable lesson in a game where his ejection didn't cost the team.

Man, I basically stood up and loudly declaimed a slurred version of my post # 151 to a roomful of people on Saturday night. Obnoxious ND fan, Exhibit A, right here. Lol.
 

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I don't know which but do know ND ran for the least Yards, the lowest YPC, and fewest TDs in
PU's 3 games. Two of those opponents were Michigan directional schools.

How OLs and how many LBs at WMU and CMU were offered scholarships to ND?

How many PU defenders were offered ND scholarship?

WMU scored 3 Rushing TDs
CMU scored 2 Rushing TDs
ND scored 1, on the game's longest run ... by the QB. (Any co-incident that the two longest runs of the season are both by QBs?

Which WMU or CMU head coach is being courted by the NFL?

Which WMU or CMU Offensive Coordinator has the Schematic Advantage over Kelly and his brain trust?

Neither WMU nor CMU have a QB or receiving corps like NDs? PU could stack the box against them but they both out rushed ND, particularly in the red zone.


The highly mobile Golson was sacked 4 times. How many times was Rees sacked last year? How many more did Golson evade that Rees would not?


Yes, ND has injuries and yes, ND has key players out on offense and defense but those that are playing are significantly more talented than PU's!


Everyone likes to say, "but it was Purdue"! I am in the camp that firmly believes Purdue steps up its game against ND every year. It's more of a rivalry game for them, they're getting tired of hearing the naysayers from the first two weeks and they don't want to embarrass themselves on national TV. We're typically coming off a big game as well, so maintaining level is tough to do. We got a game the first half and in the second half we just started showing our superiority. As others have said, a win is a win. you take it and move on.
 
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SIAP, but I'm sure the fact that ND and Purdue don't play each other until 2020 is another reason why Purdue had this game circled.
 

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I didn't think the offensive line played poorly as a unit. It was an isolated problem - Elmer. He's not using a kick step off the snap to get in his pass set. It's getting him killed to the outside and exposing him to inside moves b/c he's off balance almost immediately. Either he's not athletic enough to play tackle or the technique just hasn't clicked yet. It wouldn't shock me if it just hasn't clicked. It's a motion that is not natural and mastered only through repetition. If it clicks, all his pass pro problems will be solved.

The run game needs to improve but it's not just the offensive line. They were getting some movement in the first half and the backs left some yards on the field. I understand why we rotate our backs but I'd like to see Kelly ride the hot hand. It was obvious to me that Bryant had the most pep in his step Saturday - why not feed him? Kelly's done this before with his backs, i.e., Theo against USC in 2012. I think we were one or two tough runs away from the offensive line gaining some confidence and imposing their will, and it looked like Bryant was running tough.

Golson looked great again but we miss DD on the outside.

What we lack in talent on the defensive line we make up for with hustle. Rochelle and Day track the ball non-stop. I knew Day had a motor but I was impressed with Rochelle's. Even on pass plays, the quick hitting pass plays in particular, you see these two turn and run the receiver down several times. It's a great sign when two of your most talented linemen play with that much hustle. That type of play is contagious. Jones was solid too (he's a beast when he stays low).

They started sending Jaylon in the second half and I really thought it worked well. He blitzed through the middle once, was blocked but he forced a quick throw. He had two nice outside rushes as well. I would send him more. He closes on a ball carrier faster than any LBer in the country - let him hunt some QBs.

Secondary was solid under the circumstances. Max made a bad play and he knew it (I hate that rule). Tranquill hits like a Mack truck. He's a protein shake away from being a linebacker but he's got some good hips and runs around like his hair is on fire. It'll be interesting to see how his body develops and where he plays in the future.
 

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I didn't think the offensive line played poorly as a unit. It was an isolated problem - Elmer. He's not using a kick step off the snap to get in his pass set. It's getting him killed to the outside and exposing him to inside moves b/c he's off balance almost immediately. Either he's not athletic enough to play tackle or the technique just hasn't clicked yet. It wouldn't shock me if it just hasn't clicked. It's a motion that is not natural and mastered only through repetition. If it clicks, all his pass pro problems will be solved.

The run game needs to improve but it's not just the offensive line. They were getting some movement in the first half and the backs left some yards on the field. I understand why we rotate our backs but I'd like to see Kelly ride the hot hand. It was obvious to me that Bryant had the most pep in his step Saturday - why not feed him? Kelly's done this before with his backs, i.e., Theo against USC in 2012. I think we were one or two tough runs away from the offensive line gaining some confidence and imposing their will, and it looked like Bryant was running tough.

Golson looked great again but we miss DD on the outside.

What we lack in talent on the defensive line we make up for with hustle. Rochelle and Day track the ball non-stop. I knew Day had a motor but I was impressed with Rochelle's. Even on pass plays, the quick hitting pass plays in particular, you see these two turn and run the receiver down several times. It's a great sign when two of your most talented linemen play with that much hustle. That type of play is contagious. Jones was solid too (he's a beast when he stays low).

They started sending Jaylon in the second half and I really thought it worked well. He blitzed through the middle once, was blocked but he forced a quick throw. He had two nice outside rushes as well. I would send him more. He closes on a ball carrier faster than any LBer in the country - let him hunt some QBs.

Secondary was solid under the circumstances. Max made a bad play and he knew it (I hate that rule). Tranquill hits like a Mack truck. He's a protein shake away from being a linebacker but he's got some good hips and runs around like his hair is on fire. It'll be interesting to see how his body develops and where he plays in the future.

I agree, it's hard for a RB to get in a rhythm when they don't get consistent reps.
 

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Ya know what, F Perdue!

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This is the first time since 2009 that we have scored 30 points or more in our first 3 games. And it is also the first time we have done it while winning the first three games since 1964 (barely missing in '87 '80 and '70)
 

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This is the first time since 2009 that we have scored 30 points or more in our first 3 games. And it is also the first time we have done it while winning the first three games since 1964 (barely missing in '87 '80 and '70)

2009 would have been awesome if ND had played something resembling defense.
 

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I agree, it's hard for a RB to get in a rhythm when they don't get consistent reps.

Yeah. Frankly we don't run enough to rotate three RBs evenly. Would be different if we had an Alabama/Stanford pound-it-out offense. But with four receivers and a mobile QB our guys get like three carries and then go sit for a quarter.
I'd probably make Cam a clear #3 short yardage guy and ride whichever of Bryant/Folston is moving it better.
 

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Yeah. Frankly we don't run enough to rotate three RBs evenly. Would be different if we had an Alabama/Stanford pound-it-out offense. But with four receivers and a mobile QB our guys get like three carries and then go sit for a quarter.
I'd probably make Cam a clear #3 short yardage guy and ride whichever of Bryant/Folston is moving it better.

LOL..........Exactly what I was thinking.
 

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Yeah. Frankly we don't run enough to rotate three RBs evenly. Would be different if we had an Alabama/Stanford pound-it-out offense. But with four receivers and a mobile QB our guys get like three carries and then go sit for a quarter.
I'd probably make Cam a clear #3 short yardage guy and ride whichever of Bryant/Folston is moving it better.

LOL..........Exactly what I was thinking.

it doesn't help either when its a pass first offense and the coaches call out some RB's because they can't pass block properly :/
 

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Also what happened to the plan to utilize the RBs more in the passing game? I know Bryant had a few catches but those were mostly off a scramble.
 

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Also what happened to the plan to utilize the RBs more in the passing game? I know Bryant had a few catches but those were mostly off a scramble.

Nah, the one was scripted. Didn't you see Bryant whiff on the block and then stagger downfield like he was lost? Classic Billy Bob.
 

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Also what happened to the plan to utilize the RBs more in the passing game? I know Bryant had a few catches but those were mostly off a scramble.

on the TD pass to (i think Robinson?), GB lined up wide and ran a route that opened up space. i think OFD did a whole article about that play. So, they are doing stuff.
 
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on the TD pass to (i think Robinson?), GB lined up wide and ran a route that opened up space. i think OFD did a whole article about that play. So, they are doing stuff.

You are correct. GB was the outside with Corey in the slot. Corey faded to the endzone and GB ran a short out to the sideline. GB was wide open and Golson went to Robinson who was double covered in the end zone, although being able to snatch a ball 4 feet over both defenders might not count as double covered.
 

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Just re-watched the highlights for shits and couldn't have Butler ran his pick back? I don't think he was touched by the Purdue receiver at all.
 

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Just re-watched the highlights for shits and couldn't have Butler ran his pick back? I don't think he was touched by the Purdue receiver at all.

In College it doesn't matter if he is down by contact or just down.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Our third film review from a 30-14 win over Purdue Saturday: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> pass defense and pass rush
<a href="http://t.co/4Xga4l7FE1">http://t.co/4Xga4l7FE1</a></p>— Tim O'Malley (@timomalleyND) <a href="https://twitter.com/timomalleyND/status/512265054780420096">September 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Our third film review from a 30-14 win over Purdue Saturday: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> pass defense and pass rush
<a href="http://t.co/4Xga4l7FE1">http://t.co/4Xga4l7FE1</a></p>— Tim O'Malley (@timomalleyND) <a href="https://twitter.com/timomalleyND/status/512265054780420096">September 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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That's a great read. Here are some highlights for those unwilling to follow the link:

Purdue's use of, and dedication to misdirection, various alignments, and the short passing game Saturday night was akin to suffering multiple paper cuts: bothersome, frustrating, but in no way deadly.

The Irish defense limited the Boilers to 5.8 yards per pass attempt, a paltry total that mitigates the 27 completed passes from the right arm of Danny Etling. (For the sake of reference, Michigan was 5.9 last week; the 2012 Notre Dame defense finished the season with a 6.0 against average, and that includes Alabama's inflation of it.)

FIRST HALF

  • Good stick by strong safety Elijah Shumate, playing down-and-distance defense on 3rd-and-11, limiting a seam pass to seven yards. As usual, Shumate had something to say after the play.
  • With the exception of a play-action touchdown pass over the head of cornerback Cody Riggs, Etling was unable to dent the Irish over the top -- the latter a recurring theme for Brian VanGorder's unit through three games, albeit against a trio of sub par passers.
  • Sophomore cornerback Cole Luke suffered his first missed tackle of the season, trying to throw a shoulder into the ball carrier on a swing pass the gains 10 yards and a first down. Luke has been quiet to date, largely a result of sticky coverage. He's rarely been tested.
  • First of many quality plays in terms of pocket push by junior nose tackle Jarron Jones. He's benefitting from one-on-one matchups as offenses focus on his interior mate, Sheldon Day.
  • The Irish cornerbacks and safeties have defended bubble screens well this season (after failing in that regard last fall). Corners Riggs and Luke play the oft-used horizontal pass with aggression and sound technique. This time it's Luke blowing up the lead block, allowing Shumate to make a quick tackle to limit the gain.

SECOND HALF

A consistent double-digit lead and the ability to negate Purdue's feeble rushing attack opened the door for VanGorder and his troops to control the second half. Beginning at the six-minute mark of the third quarter, and immediately following a three-run, three-and-out possession, the Boilermakers ran just twice over a 26-snap span, and the Irish pass rush teed off as a result.

  • A 1st-and-10 coverage sack by the Irish as Jarron Jones wins late in the play and closes quickly on Etling. Jones has shown impressive five- to six-yard speed in space. Sophomore Isaac Rochell gets a piece of the sack officially but this was all coverage and a strong pocket push by Jones who again faced one blocker while Day tussled with two.
  • More heat on second-and-long as Rochell runs an X-stunt (loops inside from his end position) to apply pressure. 3rd-and-17 follows and freshman Kolin Hill brings it from the left side, recording an official QB hurry on Etling who's forced to throw away.
  • Joe Schmidt just misses a diving pass breakup on a 9-yard gain to tight end Gabe Holmes. We saw a replica of this snap in an August practice with Schmidt vs. teammate Ben Koyack. Only a well-placed pass beats Schmidt (in both instances). Something you live with when a team attempts nearly 40 short passes.
  • Two drives later, nice coverage by Butler on a completed slant route. Other than interference, there wasn't much he could have done to stop it. One play later, Butler undercuts a skinny post/bad slant and records the first interception of his Irish career -- aggressive press coverage made it possible, destroying the route's concept from the outset. Diving to secure the pick, the pigskin first pelted him in the face mask.
  • Butler's not ready to start, but he's quite a security blanket as a fourth cornerback (Riggs, Luke, and the missing Keivarae Russell). He was later beaten on a final drive 28-yard fade route -- notable only in that Russell discussed with us Butler's tendency (along with that of freshman Nick Watkins as well) to open up and allow an outside lane to the receiver in press coverage. As Russell noted at the time: "If you're going to open up, just play off-man, not press."
  • More pressure applied during Purdue's final long drive, with Smith (edge blitz) and Day (up the gut), plus a pair of passes defended at the line (Rochell and Day).
  • The drive's penultimate snap features a shockingly fast blitz and subsequent sack by Smith off the left edge (both he and right OLB James Onwualu converted on Etling), and one snap later with a remarkable diving interception by Schmidt, who dropped more than 20 yards downfield to undercut a throw near the Irish goal line. Shumate applied a knockout hit -- cross body block, no helmet contact -- as well. And yes, he barked at the fallen receiver. (More on this topic in our final film review covering the rush defense.)
  • Three snaps later, Hill and Okwara converge on Etling to end the game with a sack. Hill separates from blocks well. He covers a lot of ground, effortlessly, from the moment he disengages through the end of his pursuit.

IN CAST YOU MISSED IT

  • Kicker Kyle Brindza's only kickoff that lands short of the goal (at the 1-yard line) resulted in a 33-yard return -- one that included a blatant block-in-the back by the Boilers on James Onwualu (not called) who was in position to make the stop just after the 20-yard line.
  • Speaking of Schmidt, it was clear how much his defensive teammates like and respect him following the aforementioned diving interception. The camaraderie between Smith and Schmidt is readily apparent -- Smith seemed the happiest player on the field for Schmidt's first career pick.

My thoughts:

  • Shumate apparently does a lot of jawing at opposing WRs. Between that and Redfield laying the wood, we have a bad ass pair of Safeties patrolling the middle.
  • If we get Russell back, we may have one of the best secondaries in CFB.
  • I'm glad Jones is making the most of the opportunities that Day is affording him.
  • It's awesome to finally have some synergy between our offensive and defensive schemes; a quick-strike spread that gives us an early lead is perfectly complemented by an aggressive pass-rush and DBs who can succeed in man coverage.
 

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That's a great read. Here are some highlights for those unwilling to follow the link:



My thoughts:

  • Shumate apparently does a lot of jawing at opposing WRs. Between that and Redfield laying the wood, we have a bad ass pair of Safeties patrolling the middle.
  • If we get Russell back, we may have one of the best secondaries in CFB.
  • I'm glad Jones is making the most of the opportunities that Day is affording him.
  • It's awesome to finally have some synergy between our offensive and defensive schemes; a quick-strike spread that gives us an early lead is perfectly complemented by an aggressive pass-rush and DBs who can succeed in man coverage.

If we don't get Russell back this year, he could step right in for Riggs along side Luke. That would actually allow to maximize our DB talent over the course of 4-5 years.

CB1 - Russell
CB2 - Luke
CB3 - Butler
CB4 - Watkins
FS - Redfield
SS - Schumate
 

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If we don't get Russell back this year, he could step right in for Riggs along side Luke. That would actually allow to maximize our DB talent over the course of 4-5 years.

CB1 - Russell
CB2 - Luke
CB3 - Butler
CB4 - Watkins
FS - Redfield
SS - Schumate

Yeah, there is definitely a silver lining in losing Russell this year (if that ends up happening), and it's that we would have him for a 5th year in 2016, along with the above players (except Shumate who will graduate after the 2015 season unless he misses that year for some reason). The program arguably comes out ahead at CB by losing Russell for the year, as long as Riggs doesn't get injured.
 

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... as to playing fantasy chess with the DBackfield, yes, on paper it might look like "losing" Keivaree for a year is a [strange] plus, BUT it's not just Riggs one would have to be worried about lasting all season without significant injury --- Cole got hurt just this game. We need Keivaree and there's no doubt about it.
 
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