Post Game Observations (Florida State '14)

[Irish Insanity]

I'm at a cross roads. I need some advice here. So we lost, but it was a BS call IMO, so do I still need to shave the serial-killer-undefeated-football beard?

 

[Grahambo]

I was surprised that BK didn't roll Golson out, and put the pressure of him running on the defense. If EG gets outside of the tackles, then the DBs have to choose whether to come up and guard against him running, or stay back and cover their zone. Roll him out and give him a run/pass option. If he fumbles, who cares? It's the last play of the game. I also did not understand why they burned the last timeout after an incomplete pass.

I'll be honest with you, when they had the ball at the 9 with about 25ish seconds to go, I would've attempted a run with TF. The way he was running, I'm not sure they would have expected that and being that they are so close to the end zone, if he does get stopped, you can hurry up efficiently.

 

[enrico514]

If he were trying to get open, and not to block the defender, stopping in his tracks would be better than continuing the contact, don't you think?

What no one is acknowledging here, either, is that this was not the last play of the game. ND still had one more chance......... execute that better, and the tick tack call means nothing.

Yeah call changes nothing... except for taking away a TD and getting another try from the 18th. Guess the team should have executed that 4 & 18th better.

 

[Wild Bill]

I think Everett was pretty limited after he came back from the lockerroom. Something to monitor going forward. But I don't think he was capable of running around a lot on that last play.

Wasn't it just cramps?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I'm at a cross roads. I need some advice here. So we lost, but it was a BS call IMO, so do I still need to shave the serial-killer-undefeated-football beard?

Yes. Start clean for Beardvember

 

[enrico514]

I'm at a cross roads. I need some advice here. So we lost, but it was a BS call IMO, so do I still need to shave the serial-killer-undefeated-football beard?

Keep the beard!

 

[Riddickulous]

I'll be honest with you, when they had the ball at the 9 with about 25ish seconds to go, I would've attempted a run with TF. The way he was running, I'm not sure they would have expected that and being that they are so close to the end zone, if he does get stopped, you can hurry up efficiently.

Another call I didn't understand was throwing the bubble screen to Prosise with 40 seconds left. Him getting tackled inbounds cost us like 15 seconds and we burned our last timeout.

 

[nlroma1o]

Wrong player. Justifiable call.

Prosise, #20, was jammed at the LOS and pushed, fought his man into the endzone. I think one can weakly argue he was blocking but he was jammed and remained entangled with that defender. IF Prosise WAS blocking he did it with finesse.

So where's the foul?

Tell me about Fuller, #7, on this play.

Watch Fuller and the defender become "entangled", be a jam or a block, as he and Prosise together wall off the third defender who is supposed to covering Robinson as well as the two guys covering them.

Continue to watch him as Fuller engages his man AND TURNS HIS HEAD TO WATCH THE PLAY. Sorry but Fuller played his hand poorly. "Receivers" trying to get open, fight to get free and look for the ball. I see no attempt to disengage to get free TO BE A POTENTIAL RECEIVER but worse I see a blocker looking for his ball carrier NOT for the ball. Fuller's head turn sells that his function was blocking.

It was a well designed play executed well by QB and WR. Unfortunately one of the actors in the play overplayed his part, tipping off the ref who has a clear line of sight to him and sees the blocker turning his eyes toward the actual receiver (in line with the ref, eyeball to eyeball) and NOT looking toward the QB to find the ball which is what a receiver would do.

If the ref called the foul on 20 he had the wrong number but right foul. Refs calling a false start or a hold on the wrong OL or RB doesn't overturn a flag on technical grounds.

Dude you honestly are one of my Heroes on this forum.... but WHAT ARE YOU WATCHING!!!!!! #20 GETS BEAR HUGGED AND # 7 TAKES A STEP OFF THE LOS AND MAKES A CUT INSIDE WHICH MAKES CONTACT WITH THE DEFENDER!!! IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY NORMAL FUKIN FOOTBALL PLAY!!!

 

[pkt77242]

I think Everett was pretty limited after he came back from the lockerroom. Something to monitor going forward. But I don't think he was capable of running around a lot on that last play.

He ran the ball a few plays before that.

 

[Wild Bill]

I'll be honest with you, when they had the ball at the 9 with about 25ish seconds to go, I would've attempted a run with TF. The way he was running, I'm not sure they would have expected that and being that they are so close to the end zone, if he does get stopped, you can hurry up efficiently.

I was thinking RB screen there. We didn't run it all night and it would have caught them. They were bringing heat and he could have strolled into the end zone.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

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[Rhode Irish]

He ran the ball a few plays before that.

He did. Not sure that would make him more likely to run it again. He was definitely limited in his movements (at least to my eyes and those I was watching with). That he sucked it up for one last run was awesome. But if anything that probably made him less of a threat to take off at the very end.

 

[BGIF]

Haven't you claimed an exclusive right to start these Post Game Observations® threads? I recall you getting rather bent out of shape when others tried to start their own. So no, kmoose, we can't really avoid your hectoring bullsh!t entirely.



Self-righteousness is a bad look.

POINT OF ORDER, Mr. Moderator!

I was the one that noted that kmoose had been posting the Post Game Observations for years after a "shoot from the hip" poster jumped the gun to post his whining BS and rant and tried to call it Observations. They weren't Observations, they were pure rant.

kmoose has done an excellent job over the years of balanced commenting in this thread. He provides critique as opposed to trashing players to support his view or favorite player. He has earned this thread through years of solid work. There are times that kmoose and I have disagreed in how we saw a play called or executed but I always found his responses came from a football prospective and not some emotional jerk running his mouth.

Yes,he can get strident with individual posters as can you and I and the people he engaged who largely were posting in this thread from a "we wuz robbed prospective" not from rewatching the WHOLE play objectively.


I agree, "Self-righteousness is a bad look" particularly when it comes from a moderator who should be moderating.

 

[Emcee77]

#20 GETS BEAR HUGGED AND # 7 TAKES A STEP OFF THE LOS AND MAKES A CUT INSIDE WHICH MAKES CONTACT WITH THE DEFENDER!!! IT LOOKS LIKE A PRETTY NORMAL FUKIN FOOTBALL PLAY!!!

Yeah. This. I just rewatched it 5 times and I do not see a penalty. We. Got. Hosed.

 

[Grahambo]

POINT OF ORDER, Mr. Moderator!

I was the one that noted that kmoose had been posting the Post Game Observations for years after a "shoot from the hip" poster jumped the gun to post his whining BS and rant and tried to call it Observations. They weren't Observations, they were pure rant.

kmoose has done an excellent job over the years of balanced commenting in this thread. He provides critique as opposed to trashing players to support his view or favorite player. He has earned this thread through years of solid work. There are times that kmoose and I have disagreed in how we saw a play called or executed but I always found his responses came from a football prospective and not some emotional jerk running his mouth.

Yes,he can get strident with individual posters as can you and I and the people he engaged who largely were posting in this thread from a "we wuz robbed prospective" not from rewatching the WHOLE play objectively.


I agree, "Self-righteousness is a bad look" particularly when it comes from a moderator who should be moderating.

Because we were and the play has been analyzed objectively. Your point was that Fuller's head gave away the play but when you look at the video, you see Fuller doesn't look to C-Rob until he looks at Golson and see's that Golson has thrown the ball to C-Rob. Of course, all this is after Darby stops Fuller from slanting. It's okay to bitch and moan about a play when its legit and not be considered biased.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I'm curious what the "it was the right call" people would say about what a receiver can do in that situation. If they were supposed to clear out, what can they do if the defenders step in front of them and refuse to cede ground? Just lay down? It seems way too easy to say the rule is that a defender can just step in front of the receiver and it's an automatic 15 yarder against the offense.

 

[enrico514]

Is it possible this was the same ACC crew that ejected Tuitt vs Pitt last year?

 

[pkt77242]

POINT OF ORDER, Mr. Moderator!

I was the one that noted that kmoose had been posting the Post Game Observations for years after a "shoot from the hip" poster jumped the gun to post his whining BS and rant and tried to call it Observations. They weren't Observations, they were pure rant.

kmoose has done an excellent job over the years of balanced commenting in this thread. He provides critique as opposed to trashing players to support his view or favorite player. He has earned this thread through years of solid work. There are times that kmoose and I have disagreed in how we saw a play called or executed but I always found his responses came from a football prospective and not some emotional jerk running his mouth.

Yes,he can get strident with individual posters as can you and I and the people he engaged who largely were posting in this thread from a "we wuz robbed prospective" not from rewatching the WHOLE play objectively.


I agree, "Self-righteousness is a bad look" particularly when it comes from a moderator who should be moderating.

Actually while you may have also pointed it out, Kmoose became butthurt that someone else started the thread and even posted that he had been doing it for years and it was his thing. So you are right and wrong.

 

[Rhode Irish]

POINT OF ORDER, Mr. Moderator!

I was the one that noted that kmoose had been posting the Post Game Observations for years after a "shoot from the hip" poster jumped the gun to post his whining BS and rant and tried to call it Observations. They weren't Observations, they were pure rant.

kmoose has done an excellent job over the years of balanced commenting in this thread. He provides critique as opposed to trashing players to support his view or favorite player. He has earned this thread through years of solid work. There are times that kmoose and I have disagreed in how we saw a play called or executed but I always found his responses came from a football prospective and not some emotional jerk running his mouth.

Yes,he can get strident with individual posters as can you and I and the people he engaged who largely were posting in this thread from a "we wuz robbed prospective" not from rewatching the WHOLE play objectively.


I agree, "Self-righteousness is a bad look" particularly when it comes from a moderator who should be moderating.

Blah blah. Kmoose is being a contrarian dick.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

I'm curious what the "it was the right call" people would say about what a receiver can do in that situation. If they were supposed to clear out, what can they do if the defenders step in front of them and refuse to cede ground? Just lay down? It seems way too easy to say the rule is that a defender can just step in front of the receiver and it's an automatic 15 yarder against the offense.

Don't engage. If the CBs engaged you then it's holding on them. I see Prosise engaged and Fuller engaged. The Prosise one I can see being a no call but Fuller, whether or not you think the CB is trying to cut off the slant, blocks him. I'm not a ref but I would be pissed if the shoe were on the other foot and the flag wasn't thrown.

 

[kmoose]

I think Everett was pretty limited after he came back from the lockerroom. Something to monitor going forward. But I don't think he was capable of running around a lot on that last play.

He looked ok on the 4th and 18, when he scrambled around before throwing it up to The Ensign.

 

[stlnd01]

I'm curious what the "it was the right call" people would say about what a receiver can do in that situation. If they were supposed to clear out, what can they do if the defenders step in front of them and refuse to cede ground? Just lay down? It seems way too easy to say the rule is that a defender can just step in front of the receiver and it's an automatic 15 yarder against the offense.

I think the trouble was not the initial contact (which was within five yards) but the way Prosise kept driving him back into the endzone. It was a legit call. Shitty, yes, but legit. If Prosise just holds his block at the point of contact, I don't think the flag gets thrown. And Robinson still scores.
I don't blame Prosise - he made a mistake of aggression, which is always the right kind of mistake - but I think it was an OK flag.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Yes,he can get strident with individual posters as can you and I and the people he engaged who largely were posting in this thread from a "we wuz robbed prospective" not from rewatching the WHOLE play objectively.

There are a lot of informed objective observers on Twitter asserting that it was a bad call. That fact alone indicates that the call was questionable, especially on a game-deciding play. kmoose and others are certainly entitled to their opinion that the call was correct, but he's wrong that there's anything "unmanly" about questioning its propriety here. Opining that it was a bad call does not make me a "whiner".

I agree, "Self-righteousness is a bad look" particularly when it comes from a moderator who should be moderating.

I am moderating, BGIF. kmoose is straight up trolling his fellow IE members after we just suffered a very emotional and controversial loss to arguably the best team in the country. If his posts in this thread were being made by a newbie, I would have banned him already. So rather than get heavy-handed with infractions or PMs, I'm politely suggesting that he tone down the hectoring while we're still smarting from a crazy loss.

 

[nlroma1o]

Don't engage. If the CBs engaged you then it's holding on them. I see Prosise engaged and Fuller engaged. The Prosise one I can see being a no call but Fuller, whether or not you think the CB is trying to cut off the slant, blocks him. I'm not a ref but I would be pissed if the shoe were on the other foot and the flag wasn't thrown.

Have you ever played a down of football in your life?

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Have you ever played a down of football in your life?

Yes, not that it matters. I was a DI recruit.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Yeah. This. I just rewatched it 5 times and I do not see a penalty. We. Got. Hosed.

IMHO, we got screwed. There was no PI on that call. People are just describing stuff as PI that isn't.

The best possible explanation was that it was a terrible call on 4 and 3 for the game. But You don't make BS calls in those situations. We got screwed. Seems plain as day to me.

Truly a tough one to swallow.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Procise hands are not "engaged"

 

[nlroma1o]

Yes, not that it matters. I was a DI recruit.

Yeah I bet you were... and I played on the Spanish WC team with NDinLA... GTFO

 

[yankeeND]

I like to think of myself as a very positive poster on here, so maybe that is what is going on here, but after as much beer as I drank tonight and losing, I feel fucking fantastic! This team is exceeding my wildest expectations and it is a bunch of Sophomores! That doesn't mean we can lose a bunch of close games, but we are in a great position moving forward. Though I believe we won this game, it will not go down in history in that way, it really really sucks, but it is what it is. Time to move forward and get better!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I wish we didn't get the 4th and 18 so none of this would have happened.