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  • Obama

    Votes: 4 1.1%
  • Romney

    Votes: 172 48.9%
  • Other

    Votes: 46 13.1%
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    Votes: 130 36.9%

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Glenn Beck and Dave Rubin. HIGHLY recommend.
 

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What is "brass"?

I work for one of the biggest banks in the world and I can tell you that real "brass" in the industry think he's a complete wildcard. Which isn't good for business.

Brass = leadership in high positions.

I work at a subsidiary of one of the big global banks, they flew a guy all the way out here to tell us personally they thought The Don would be good for business. They could very well be wrong. I guess we will see!
 

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^This guy knows what it means. It'll be Legen... Wait for it.... Dary!!!

Lol I was hoping the reference was not too difficult!
 

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Brass = leadership in high positions.

I work at a subsidiary of one of the big global banks, they flew a guy all the way out here to tell us personally they thought The Don would be good for business. They could very well be wrong. I guess we will see!

I have a sneaking suspicion that you work for a sub of the bank I work for.
 

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Fake news.

It is a rare day indeed on which the NRA, the GOP, the ACLU, and America’s mental health groups find themselves in agreement on a question of public policy, but when it happens it should at the very least prompt Americans to ask, “Why?” That so many mainstream outlets tried to cheat them of the opportunity does not bode well for the future.

Read more at: No, the GOP Did Not Just Repeal the Background Check System or Give Guns to the Mentally Il | National Review

It is fascinating to me how the media can be so openly hostile to the 2nd and blatantly wrong.
 

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Lots of clips in here I haven't seen.
 

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Just watch the opening monologue. Great stuff.
 

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Just watch the opening monologue. Great stuff.

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...The one thing I know for a fact...the Police stood by and watched innocent people be assaulted, and did not intervene in a timely manner to stop this riot. Further that is NOT the initial instinct of ANY cop I've ever known. They are the guys who run to the danger, and intervene on behalf of people and property. It was sad to witness, yet again, police handcuffed until it was far, far too late...there was a reason it went down that way.

...the outcome was a perversion of "Berkley" and it was allowed to occur...and arguably intended by school and town leadership.

I think it kinda went something like this...

Sure, we'll let you people have your function...we'll charge you extra for security, and then stand down the cops, keep your money, and "teach you a lesson".

Don't cry when that shit gets away from you...the hyenas will turn on you, it is their nature.
 

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UFC Fighter helps guy getting jumped by rioters at UC Berkley. Says Police just stood there as it happened.

This Calexit thing, starting to get on-board.
The shit the people say trying to defend the reason a man was getting jumped...

Douche #1: "Nazis..."
Shields: "You mean the gay Jew?"
Douche #1: "It's not him (Milo) it's the people that come to hear him talk."

Douche #2: "If he's going to walk into this type of space..."

All of this is just asinine.

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I agree with you on Cruz/Bernie. If they get into the financials of ACA, Bernie is gonna be in trouble.

Re: peeling back regs on banks. It's a bad idea, and shit... I'm a banker. He reality is that bad things happen when you leave my industry to its own devices. It's just a fact. It's been that way since Medici and will be that way when we colonize Mars. I'm not saying it has to be heavily regulated, but don't knock the pendulum in the opposite direction. Despite Trump's comments, Dodd Frank was not a "disaster" (why is everything always GREAT or a DISASTER with this guy?), but it could be tweeked. But removing fiduciary duty from financial advisors? Thats asinine.

Fiduciary BS is a slow motion train wreck. Regulating ethics is a freaking joke. Also sets up nicely for a big league systemic problem when even more money is managed in lock step with everyone else. Regulators telling investors what is right and wrong - what could possibly go wrong? Buyer beware folks - start by avoiding "advisors" with slicked back hair that remind you of a used car salesman and nothing but an insurance license and a few mail order initials to back up their claims of any level of "expertise".

As for dumb f-ing banks:
a) keep skin in the loans your underwrite - including homes (same with colleges keeping a stake in student loans they facilitate to students)
b) tiered deposit insurance/regulations to make smaller banks more competitive. "Too big to fail" should be highest deposit insurance by far - small banks pose ZERO systemic risk and should pay substantially less fees as a result. Tiered model would help offset fixed regulatory costs.
c) Stop overregulating underwriting and bad loan treatment. Every time I re-fi the underwriting is more ridiculous - asking for the most inane garbage that just tells me underwriters are checking boxes to validate their existence and please regulators rather than really assess risk.
d) Reinstitute Glass-Steagall - Commercial banking and investment banking have no business in the same shop.

Too big to fail is easily fixed with financial incentives.

As for interest only, stated income loans - you will never convince me the poor peasants who took these on bear no fault. Holy shit, buyer beware needs to be instilled in our culture again because this nanny state expectation of regulators saving people from themselves is crap.
 

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Fiduciary BS is a slow motion train wreck. Regulating ethics is a freaking joke. Also sets up nicely for a big league systemic problem when even more money is managed in lock step with everyone else. Regulators telling investors what is right and wrong - what could possibly go wrong? Buyer beware folks - start by avoiding "advisors" with slicked back hair that remind you of a used car salesman and nothing but an insurance license and a few mail order initials to back up their claims of any level of "expertise".

As for dumb f-ing banks:
a) keep skin in the loans your underwrite - including homes (same with colleges keeping a stake in student loans they facilitate to students)
b) tiered deposit insurance/regulations to make smaller banks more competitive. "Too big to fail" should be highest deposit insurance by far - small banks pose ZERO systemic risk and should pay substantially less fees as a result. Tiered model would help offset fixed regulatory costs.
c) Stop overregulating underwriting and bad loan treatment. Every time I re-fi the underwriting is more ridiculous - asking for the most inane garbage that just tells me underwriters are checking boxes to validate their existence and please regulators rather than really assess risk.
d) Reinstitute Glass-Steagall - Commercial banking and investment banking have no business in the same shop.

Too big to fail is easily fixed with financial incentives.

As for interest only, stated income loans - you will never convince me the poor peasants who took these on bear no fault. Holy shit, buyer beware needs to be instilled in our culture again because this nanny state expectation of regulators saving people from themselves is crap.


That right there...All I can say is, I know who SHOULDN'T have ANY responsibility whatsoever...

Yet who pays for the well-meaning programs folks use to get elected, when they inevitably go to SHIT!

Beyond ridiculous...
 

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Fiduciary BS is a slow motion train wreck. Regulating ethics is a freaking joke. Also sets up nicely for a big league systemic problem when even more money is managed in lock step with everyone else. Regulators telling investors what is right and wrong - what could possibly go wrong? Buyer beware folks - start by avoiding "advisors" with slicked back hair that remind you of a used car salesman and nothing but an insurance license and a few mail order initials to back up their claims of any level of "expertise".

I'm not sure I understand you here. You think fiduciary duty is bs, but warn of advisors with a used car salesmen approach? What do you think fiduciary duty is there for in the first place?

As for dumb f-ing banks:
a) keep skin in the loans your underwrite - including homes (same with colleges keeping a stake in student loans they facilitate to students)

What do you mean by "skin"? Who are you referring to, the bank or the person applying for the loan? Because under current regs, they both do have skin in the game (lenders=provisions & mortgagee=down payment)

b) tiered deposit insurance/regulations to make smaller banks more competitive. "Too big to fail" should be highest deposit insurance by far - small banks pose ZERO systemic risk and should pay substantially less fees as a result. Tiered model would help offset fixed regulatory costs.

This is bullshit. So get rid of regs and costs for small banks so they can right shitty loans and sell them to the big banks? You do realize that small banks don't have the balance sheets to carry the debt they underwrite, right?

c) Stop overregulating underwriting and bad loan treatment. Every time I re-fi the underwriting is more ridiculous - asking for the most inane garbage that just tells me underwriters are checking boxes to validate their existence and please regulators rather than really assess risk.

This is simply regurgitated non-sense. What exactly is this "inane garbage" that they are asking for from you?

d) Reinstitute Glass-Steagall - Commercial banking and investment banking have no business in the same shop.

Totally agree. Bankers need to choose whether they're George Bailey or Gordon Gecko. They cannot be both.

Too big to fail is easily fixed with financial incentives.

Do tell.


As for interest only, stated income loans - you will never convince me the poor peasants who took these on bear no fault. Holy shit, buyer beware needs to be instilled in our culture again because this nanny state expectation of regulators saving people from themselves is crap.

Many of them did. But people getting bad loans isn't even half the problem. The loans need to be correctly underwritten by those "box checkers" you seemingly admire. They need to be correctly rated by the agencies. Then the institutional banks need to be responsible with their trading.
 

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Fiduciary BS is a slow motion train wreck. Regulating ethics is a freaking joke. Also sets up nicely for a big league systemic problem when even more money is managed in lock step with everyone else. Regulators telling investors what is right and wrong - what could possibly go wrong? Buyer beware folks - start by avoiding "advisors" with slicked back hair that remind you of a used car salesman and nothing but an insurance license and a few mail order initials to back up their claims of any level of "expertise".

As for dumb f-ing banks:
a) keep skin in the loans your underwrite - including homes (same with colleges keeping a stake in student loans they facilitate to students)
b) tiered deposit insurance/regulations to make smaller banks more competitive. "Too big to fail" should be highest deposit insurance by far - small banks pose ZERO systemic risk and should pay substantially less fees as a result. Tiered model would help offset fixed regulatory costs.
c) Stop overregulating underwriting and bad loan treatment. Every time I re-fi the underwriting is more ridiculous - asking for the most inane garbage that just tells me underwriters are checking boxes to validate their existence and please regulators rather than really assess risk.
d) Reinstitute Glass-Steagall - Commercial banking and investment banking have no business in the same shop.

Too big to fail is easily fixed with financial incentives.

As for interest only, stated income loans - you will never convince me the poor peasants who took these on bear no fault. Holy shit, buyer beware needs to be instilled in our culture again because this nanny state expectation of regulators saving people from themselves is crap.

Santelli, is that you?

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This thread is a toilet and sewer of human communication and ideas. It isn't about politics, political thoughts, tactics, or strategy.

It's more about saying nasty things about each other, than learning anything. And from what I see, we all have quite a bit to learn.

The good news is I think I know why. This article was a game changer for me. I hope it will help some of you make sense of things too!
Here is a guy that is a conservative talk show host. He has an interesting perspective.

SundayReview | OPINION

Why Nobody Cares the President Is Lying

By CHARLES J. SYKES FEB. 4, 2017

MILWAUKEE — If President Trump’s first tumultuous weeks have done nothing else, at least they have again made us a nation of readers.

As Americans grapple with the unreality of the new administration, George Orwell’s “1984” has enjoyed a resurgence of interest, becoming a surprise best seller and an invaluable guide to our post-factual world.

On his first full day in office Mr. Trump insisted that his inaugural crowd was the largest ever, a baseless boast that will likely set a pattern for his relationship both to the media and to the truth.

At an event marking Black History Month last week, the president took a detour from a discussion of Frederick Douglass — he described the abolitionist as “an example of somebody who’s done an amazing job and is being recognized more and more” — to talk about the press. “A lot of the media is actually the opposition party — they’re so biased,” he said. “So much of the media is the opposition party and knowingly saying incorrect things.”

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Back when Mike Pence was merely governor of Indiana, he battled to get Howard Zinn's People's History removed from schools on the grounds that it was filled with lies. He never got around to naming any lies in the book--presumably because the book is grounded in facts--but Mr. Pence proceeded as though the accusation alone was sufficient. Like Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty said, words mean only what I say they mean. Perhaps this is why Mr. Trump chose Mr. Pence to be his mate.]

Mr. Trump understands that attacking the media is the reddest of meat for his base, which has been conditioned to reject reporting from news sites outside of the conservative media ecosystem.

For years, as a conservative radio talk show host, I played a role in that conditioning by hammering the mainstream media for its bias and double standards. But the price turned out to be far higher than I imagined. The cumulative effect of the attacks was to delegitimize those outlets and essentially destroy much of the right’s immunity to false information. We thought we were creating a savvier, more skeptical audience. Instead, we opened the door for President Trump, who found an audience that could be easily misled.

The news media’s spectacular failure to get the election right has made it only easier for many conservatives to ignore anything that happens outside the right’s bubble and for the Trump White House to fabricate facts with little fear of alienating its base.
Unfortunately, that also means that the more the fact-based media tries to debunk the president’s falsehoods, the further it will entrench the battle lines.

During his first week in office, Mr. Trump reiterated the unfounded charge that millions of people had voted illegally. When challenged on the evident falsehood, Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, seemed to argue that Mr. Trump’s belief that something was true qualified as evidence. The press secretary also declined to answer a straightforward question about the unemployment rate, suggesting that the number will henceforth be whatever the Trump administration wants it to be.

He can do this because members of the Trump administration feel confident that the alternative-reality media will provide air cover, even if they are caught fabricating facts or twisting words (like claiming that the “ban” on Muslim immigrants wasn’t really a “ban”). Indeed, they believe they have shifted the paradigm of media coverage, replacing the traditional media with their own.

In a stunning demonstration of the power and resiliency of our new post-factual political culture, Mr. Trump and his allies in the right media have already turned the term “fake news” against its critics, essentially draining it of any meaning. During the campaign, actual “fake news” — deliberate hoaxes — polluted political discourse and clogged social media timelines.

Some outlets opened the door, by helping spread conspiracy theories and indulging the paranoia of the fever swamps. For years, the widely read Drudge Report has linked to the bizarre conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who believes that both the attacks of Sept. 11 and the Sandy Hook shootings were government-inspired “false flag” operations.

For conservatives, this should have made it clear that something was badly amiss in their media ecosystem. But now any news deemed to be biased, annoying or negative can be labeled “fake news.” Erroneous reports that the bust of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. had been removed from the Oval Office or misleading reports that sanctions against Russia had been lifted will be seized on by Mr. Trump’s White House to reinforce his indictment.

Even as he continues to attack the “dishonest media,” Mr. Trump and his allies are empowering this alt-reality media, providing White House access to Breitbart and other post-factual outlets that are already morphing into fierce defenders of the administration.
The relationship appears to be symbiotic, as Mr. Trump often seems to pick up on talking points from Fox News and has tweeted out links from websites notorious for their casual relationship to the truth, including sites like Gateway Pundit, a hoax-peddling site that announced, shortly after the inauguration, that it would have a White House correspondent.

By now, it ought to be evident that enemies are important to this administration, whether they are foreigners, refugees, international bankers or the press.
But discrediting independent sources of information also has two major advantages for Mr. Trump: It helps insulate him from criticism and it allows him to create his own narratives, metrics and “alternative facts.”

All administrations lie, but what we are seeing here is an attack on credibility itself.
The Russian dissident and chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov drew upon long familiarity with that process when he tweeted: “The point of modern propaganda isn’t only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.”

Mr. Kasparov grasps that the real threat is not merely that a large number of Americans have become accustomed to rejecting factual information, or even that they have become habituated to believing hoaxes. The real danger is that, inundated with “alternative facts,” many voters will simply shrug, asking, “What is truth?” — and not wait for an answer.


In that world, the leader becomes the only reliable source of truth; a familiar phenomenon in an authoritarian state, but a radical departure from the norms of a democratic society. The battle over truth is now central to our politics.

This may explain one of the more revealing moments from after the election, when one of Mr. Trump’s campaign surrogates, Scottie Nell Hughes, was asked to defend the clearly false statement by Mr. Trump that millions of votes had been cast illegally. She answered by explaining that everybody now had their own way of interpreting whether a fact was true or not.

“There’s no such thing, unfortunately, anymore as facts,” she declared. Among “a large part of the population” what Mr. Trump said was the truth.

“When he says that millions of people illegally voted,” she said, his supporters believe him — and “people believe they have facts to back that up.”

Or as George Orwell said: “The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.” But Ms. Hughes’s comment was perhaps unintentionally insightful. Mr. Trump and company seem to be betting that much of the electorate will not care if the president tells demonstrable lies, and will pick and choose whatever “alternative facts” confirm their views.

The next few years will be a test of that thesis.

In the meantime, we must recognize the magnitude of the challenge. If we want to restore respect for facts and break through the intellectual ghettos on both the right and left, the mainstream media will have to be aggressive without being hysterical and adversarial without being unduly oppositional.

Perhaps just as important, it will be incumbent on conservative media outlets to push back as well. Conservatism should be a reality-based philosophy, and the movement will be better off if it recognizes that facts really do matter. There may be short-term advantages to running headlines about millions of illegal immigrants voting or secret United Nations plots to steal your guns, but the longer the right enables such fabrications, the weaker it will be in the long run. As uncomfortable as it may be, it will fall to the conservative media to police its worst actors.

The conservative media ecosystem — like the rest of us — has to recognize how critical, but also how fragile, credibility is in the Orwellian age of Donald Trump.

Charles J. Sykes (@SykesCharlie), a former talk-show host in Wisconsin, is the author of the forthcoming “How the Right Lost Its Mind.”
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This thread is a toilet and sewer of human communication and ideas. It isn't about politics, political thoughts, tactics, or strategy.

It's more about saying nasty things about each other, than learning anything. And from what I see, we all have quite a bit to learn.

The good news is I think I know why. This article was a game changer for me. I hope it will help some of you make sense of things too!
Here is a guy that is a conservative talk show host. He has an interesting perspective.

The reason conservatives believe that the media has a liberal bias is that the media has a liberal bias. Most journalists are liberal. There are numerous stories about people in the press expressing joy at Democratic victories. Political scientists have found that this has an effect upon politics. And at the sainted NYT editors decide upon a "narrative"- which is then fed by its reporters, who must find stories that fit it.

In the U.K., newspapers are openly partisan. They don't pretend to be "objective." This culture doesn't prevent widespread agreement on factual issues in political debate.

Every conservative knew the old order of journalism in this country had to be destroyed. It was pernicious.
 
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The reason conservatives believe that the media has a liberal bias is that the media has a liberal bias. Most journalists are liberal. There are numerous stories about people in the press expressing joy at Democratic victories. Political scientists have found that this has an effect upon politics. And at the sainted NYT editors decide upon a "narrative"- which is then fed by its reporters, who must find stories that fit it.

In the U.K., newspapers are openly partisan. They don't pretend to be "objective." This culture doesn't prevent widespread agreement on factual issues in political debate.

Every conservative knew the old order of journalism in this country had to be destroyed. It was pernicious.


In the nineteenth century, newspapers here used to be pretty partisan, some responded to the highest bidder.

I think there are a lot of studies that show that American news media had/has ownership on average that is more conservative than the center of the road American citizen, maybe by a bit. And that those that work for the media magnates are a bit more liberal than their bosses.

But I don't see the majority of the mainstream media as really being 'liberal' at all. Several articles have come out, and there has been discussion of the fact that since the 1980's, conservative talk radio has pushed the bias people hold to the right, so those that listen to it think that media is 'liberal.' But with that kind of relentless campaign, anyone left of John Wayne or Charlton Heston, would be considered liberal.

As far as people expressing joy at any candidate winning election, well those people aren't journalists. Those people are what you call paid operatives. Every organization has them. And they have them for both sides. You can tell because they are usually the ill behaved ones.

As far as this statement, 'There are numerous stories about people in the press expressing joy at Democratic victories', this is a purely subjective statement without merit in the conversation about partisan politics and liberal bias.

To have that conversation we would have to have verified quotes with context by 'numerous' people. And we would have to do an equally exhaustive search to make sure just as many people didn't celebrate Republican victories. Pardon me, I am not taking anyone's word on it.
 
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