Political Correctness thread

[woolybug25]

Go look at Sage Steele's harassment for daring to be a moderate black woman who dared to share an opinion that wasn't 100% PC on social media. Still have the same opinion?

Why would a bunch of comments on one individuals Twitter change my mind? Should we go back and forth exchanging one tweet or Facebook post for another all day to prove people are really disrupting eachother in real life on a daily basis? I'm pretty sure that social media not matching reality was part of my original point, so I'm not sure why that's where I would start to disprove it. Ha

 

[Rack Em]

Post the info. Otherwise I have no frame of reference to respond.


You also work at the stupidest place on the planet. So that doesn't help.

You're a god damn bank teller.

 

[wizards8507]

Why would a bunch of comments on one individuals Twitter change my mind? Should we go back and forth exchanging one tweet or Facebook post for another all day to prove people are really disrupting eachother in real life on a daily basis? I'm pretty sure that social media not matching reality was part of my original point, so I'm not sure why that's where I would start to disprove it. Ha

Do you do any hiring / recruiting? This stuff is having real world impacts. I've seen HR people explicitly recommend one candidate over another strictly on the basis of diversity.

 

[ACamp1900]

I simply just asked you to give me an example of what one of these said meetings are. .

Ah, my bad... I took that as "Show me Proof"

Explanation... Micro-aggression training:

Everyone sits down, some far left, uber PC, professor runs the thing and covers key points:

1.) What are Micro-aggressions
2.) Why you are all guilty of micro aggressions unless said speaker gives some protected group a pass, which they always do
3.) How you prevent being guilty moving forward
4.) How to identify and or refer people to: safe spaces
5.) Question and answer, which is hilarious because after an hour plus of this everyone is scared shitless to say or ask anything....


In just the last six months there have been numerous diversity trainings, microagression trainings, a "How to Exist after the Election" emergency training, numerous Black Lives Matter sits ins, meetings and trainings etc...

 

[IrishLion]

I have no doubt that someone in education attends meetings on conflict resolution, communication, etc. But how is that a new event? I simply just asked you to give me an example of what one of these said meetings are. I never asked you to screenshot your outlook calendar or anything. Lol

I wouldn't think an explanation of the event would be that difficult since they are so prevalent and disruptive to your life.

I posted earlier and attended a meeting TODAY on "implicit bias."

It was well-presented, and avoided vilifying anyone (aka, it did not attempt to make white people feel guilty).

However, past iterations of the class, dependent on the instructor, were basically attempts to tell white people why they are racist no matter what (which is much different than addressing subconscious bias), and pointing out just the dumbest examples of "microaggressions" and "cultural appropriation."

It probably has a lot to do with the fact that I work on a college campus, and they are currently very proactive in addressing related subject matter (for good reason), which often leads to hasty action, which in turn results in unqualified people (with personal agendas) giving presentations that probably should be vetted better.

 

[IrishLax]

Why would a bunch of comments on one individuals Twitter change my mind? Should we go back and forth exchanging one tweet or Facebook post for another all day to prove people are really disrupting eachother in real life on a daily basis? I'm pretty sure that social media not matching reality was part of my original point, so I'm not sure why that's where I would start to disprove it. Ha

Are you intentionally being dense here or nah? You're straight up truthering about how PC people aren't saying mean and vulgar stuff to people when there are literally hundreds of examples of that being untrue.

My point about Sage Steele is that it wasn't just "Twitter trolls"... you had mainstream, multi-million dollar liberal blogs/news outlets also attack her and call for her firing. When she was reassigned at ESPN, the same outlets celebrated it. This is the entire crux of PC culture... it's OK to be a total asshole to someone and try to run them out of their job as long as you're on the right side of PC. Like holy fuck this isn't even complicated.

 

[IrishLax]

Do you do any hiring / recruiting? This stuff is having real world impacts. I've seen HR people explicitly recommend one candidate over another strictly on the basis of diversity.

Yes, and if you hire a white person over a brown person you can and will get sued. Doesn't happen the other way around, so that's why hiring managers lean a certain direction between "equal" candidates. That's not really a PC problem though, it's a discrimination law problem.

An example of a PC problem would be Shea Moisture getting shredded in the media for daring to have an ad with a white girl in it while trying to expand their brand to be inclusive. So now they know they can't ever hire a white person for one of their ads without facing backlash, so they won't hire white people to avoid the headache.

 

[ACamp1900]

Are you intentionally being dense here or nah? You're straight up truthering about how PC people aren't saying mean and vulgar stuff to people when there are literally hundreds of examples of that being untrue.

While also pointing out that the Anti PCers are a bigger problem because... evidence on my social media pages???

My point about Sage Steele is that it wasn't just "Twitter trolls"... you had mainstream, multi-million dollar liberal blogs/news outlets also attack her and call for her firing. When she was reassigned at ESPN, the same outlets celebrated it. This is the entire crux of PC culture... it's OK to be a total asshole to someone and try to run them out of their job as long as you're on the right side of PC. Like holy fuck this isn't even complicated.

This Miss USA thing is crazy too...

 

[woolybug25]

Are you intentionally being dense here or nah? You're straight up truthering about how PC people aren't saying mean and vulgar stuff to people when there are literally hundreds of examples of that being untrue.

My point about Sage Steele is that it wasn't just "Twitter trolls"... you had mainstream, multi-million dollar liberal blogs/news outlets also attack her and call for her firing. When she was reassigned at ESPN, the same outlets celebrated it. This is the entire crux of PC culture... it's OK to be a total asshole to someone and try to run them out of their job as long as you're on the right side of PC. Like holy fuck this isn't even complicated.

Not sure why you have to be insulting, but okay... I'll play...

I'm saying that everyone that talks about "PC Culture" acts like it's a daily experience that everyone is seeing in their daily lives and I'm sorry, but no one I know has this issue. I have lived all over the country and have experienced a lot, and while of course there is PC bullcrap in the world, I'm unconvinced that its any worse than it has ever been. Just more publicized, more scrutinized and plastered over social media.

While also pointing out that the Anti PCers are a bigger problem because... evidence on my social media pages???
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Give me a break, my comment before about Facebook was prefaced by earlier posts explaining very clearly my thoughts and examples. To act like my argument was based on what I saw on FB one time is completely disingenuous.

Furthermore, I do see one thing in common with all of the first hand accounts. All from historically liberal institutions continuing their historically liberal acts. Y'all don't think school systems in California weren't preaching a bunch of Flower Power back in the '70's? C'mon man.... call me when they are forcing white privilege classes upon private corporations.

I can tell you this... I have never been asked to respect someone's "safe space". Not at work, not at any of the non-profits my wife has worked for and I have never seen it at a client either. That is coming from years of experiences both professionally and personally in CO, OH, NY, IN, MI, VT, ME and California.

 

[ACamp1900]

Give me a break, my comment before about Facebook was prefaced by earlier posts explaining very clearly my thoughts and examples. To act like my argument was based on what I saw on FB one time is completely disingenuous.

Well then I missed that... I've only read your first post that I responded to and then those you replied back with, like:

I'm not seeing vulgar language and personal attacks on FB and the lot from granola pushing libs. I'm seeing it from the angry "Anti-PC" crowd...

Anyway, honest question:,..

Why, if you feel as you do, why are you even in this thread??? I can't stand the NBA and think basketball is a vastly inferior game to others, don't listen to modern rap, and think comic books are for mouth breathers if you're over the age of 17... so, rather than posting in threads dedicated to those who enjoy these things I simply let those like minds be...

 

[connor_in]

Well then I missed that... I've only read your first post that I responded to and then those you replied back with, like:



Anyway, honest question:,..

Why, if you feel as you do, are you even in this thread??? I can't stand the NBA and think basketball is a vastly inferior game to others, don't listen to modern rap, and think comic books are for mouth breathers if you're over the age of 17... so, rather than posting in threads dedicated to those who enjoy these things I simply let those like minds be...

including the movies????

but, but, but...

 

[woolybug25]

Well then I missed that... I've only read your first post that I responded to and then those you replied back with, like:



Anyway, honest question:,..

Why, if you feel as you do, are you even in this thread??? I can't stand the NBA and think basketball is a vastly inferior game to others, don't listen to modern rap, and think comic books are for mouth breathers if you're over the age of 17... so, rather than posting in threads dedicated to those who enjoy these things I simply let those like minds be...

To answer your question, I suppose I didn't see agreeing with the topic to be a prerequisite of posting in the thread. Should I stop posting in the Trump thread since I disagree with him?

It's okay to have different opinions. So when I see a thread about political correctness and it's effect on society, I simply offered my viewpoint on the topic. I'm not opposed to politely debating the topic, hence my participation. I suppose I didn't expect such a backlash for simply offering my opinion on it. After all... I thought this thread was where safe spaces go to die?

 

[connor_in]

How dare she?! The Root decries black Miss USA’s ‘problematic as hell’ comments – twitchy.com

Picked this thread over politics for this because ... why not

 

[ACamp1900]

To answer your question, I suppose I didn't see agreeing with the topic to be a prerequisite of posting in the thread. Should I stop posting in the Trump thread since I disagree with him?

It's okay to have different opinions. So when I see a thread about political correctness and it's effect on society, I simply offered my viewpoint on the topic. I'm not opposed to politely debating the topic, hence my participation. I suppose I didn't expect such a backlash for simply offering my opinion on it. After all... I thought this thread was where safe spaces go to die?

It's not backlash or trying to tell you to stay out, or 'safe spacing' things, so we're clear... I'm just generally curious, especially considering how trivial you seem to think this all is...

 

[woolybug25]

It's backlash or trying to tell you to stay out are 'safe spacing' things... I'm just generally curious, especially considering how trivial you seem to think this all is...

Weird... seemed almost like my opinion of it being trivial "triggered" some of you. Y'all sure you don't want me to check my privilege or something?

Is that how this works?

 

[ACamp1900]

Should I stop posting in the Trump thread

To give an honest answer here though... yes, please stop.

 

[IrishLax]

Not sure why you have to be insulting, but okay...

I'm being a tad insulting because I'm not sure whether you're just trying to stir up shit here or not. I didn't think so at first, but reading more responses they seem very koon-esque. You obviously have a firmly held belief... that anti-PC people are the problem, that they should be blamed for Trump, and that PC isn't a problem... but haven't provided any support for these ideas except 1) your personal experience while 2) rejecting other people's personal experiences.

So when I say "well, look at what happened with Sage Steele" and your response is "why would this change my mind" it makes me question what you're going for.

I'm saying that everyone that talks about "PC Culture" acts like it's a daily experience that everyone is seeing in their daily lives and I'm sorry, but no one I know has this issue. I have lived all over the country and have experienced a lot, and while of course there is PC bullcrap in the world, I'm unconvinced that its any worse than it has ever been. Just more publicized, more scrutinized and plastered over social media.

I mean where do you live right now? And what do you do? Because PC culture is a very real thing in schools and media and really any media-adjacent industry. It's less pervasive in other fields... like we don't have any bullshit microaggression meetings in my engineering firm that is beyond diverse. But my wife sees it in advertising on a daily basis, people see it in schools on a daily basis, people see it in media on a daily basis, etc. and hand waving at all of that while trying to blame "anti-PC" people for empowering/enabling Trump seems odd. None of my local friends that I know of voted for Trump and many of them have actively protested him... and most of them (especially those that spent a lot of time or currently work in academia) agree that it's a huge problem.

 

[ACamp1900]

Weird... seemed almost like my opinion of it being trivial "triggered" some of you. Y'all sure you don't want me to check my privilege or something?

Is that how this works?

(I think you missed my spell check edit... for clarity)

Anyway,... You should give our next lecture/training....

 

[IrishLax]

How dare she?! The Root decries black Miss USA’s ‘problematic as hell’ comments – twitchy.com

Picked this thread over politics for this because ... why not

This crap from The Root is exactly what I'm talking about. They cannot tolerate anyone who doesn't toe the PC line to the letter. Rather than celebrate an intelligent, independent black woman empowering herself they try to tear her down because of totally benign comments. Same crap as with Sage Steele or any person with brown skin that dares to have independent thought.

It's a huge problem.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm being a tad insulting because I'm not sure whether you're just trying to stir up shit here or not. I didn't think so at first, but reading more responses they seem very koon-esque. You obviously have a firmly held belief... that anti-PC people are the problem, that they should be blamed for Trump, and that PC isn't a problem... but haven't provided any support for these ideas except 1) your personal experience while 2) rejecting other people's personal experiences.

Well calling me "koon-esque" is certainly a quick way to trigger me. ha

I gave a bunch of examples over many posts including personal experience, social media and it all started with an opinion of a media piece. I'm honestly not sure what other avenues of examples I could have provided.

So when I say "well, look at what happened with Sage Steele" and your response is "why would this change my mind" it makes me question what you're going for.

That was my response because I clearly pointed out previously my opinion of how social media orchestrates, elaborates and expands the topic. So I'm not sure why a single piece of social media should change that?

I mean where do you live right now? And what do you do? Because PC culture is a very real thing in schools and media and really any media-adjacent industry. It's less pervasive in other fields... like we don't have any bullshit microaggression meetings in my engineering firm that is beyond diverse. But my wife sees it in advertising on a daily basis, people see it in schools on a daily basis, people see it in media on a daily basis, etc. and hand waving at all of that while trying to blame "anti-PC" people for empowering/enabling Trump seems odd. None of my local friends that I know of voted for Trump and many of them have actively protested him... and most of them (especially those that spent a lot of time or currently work in academia) agree that it's a huge problem.

I'm not entirely sure that you are actually reading my posts, my man. As I pointed out a few posts back that I have lived all over the country (IN, OH, MI, CA, CO, VT, ME, NY) and my experience was from personal experience in those places and professionally both myself (commercial banker) and through my wife in non-profit. So pretty diverse.

I also addressed public education in my response to Acamp. As I told him, I'm not sure why we should be surprised that historically liberal institutions continue to do historically liberal things. Back in the '70's, there was all kinds of Flower Power malarkey going on. Just nobody to Facebook live it.

 

[connor_in]

To answer your question, I suppose I didn't see agreeing with the topic to be a prerequisite of posting in the thread. Should I stop posting in the Trump thread since I disagree with him?

It's okay to have different opinions. So when I see a thread about political correctness and it's effect on society, I simply offered my viewpoint on the topic. I'm not opposed to politely debating the topic, hence my participation. I suppose I didn't expect such a backlash for simply offering my opinion on it. After all... I thought this thread was where safe spaces go to die?

Fuck it...say what you want...this thread is here to point out PC BS...just understand that just because you say it doesn't make it right ...or even true


...Just like the rest of us


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[IrishLax]

That was my response because I clearly pointed out previously my opinion of how social media orchestrates, elaborates and expands the topic. So I'm not sure why a single piece of social media should change that?

To be clear, this is not social media trolls I'm talking about. Nobody gives a fuck what some random person says on Twitter or Facebook.

I'm talking about:
1) People getting ridiculed by legitimate media outlets (Slate, HuffPo, Salon, etc.) for not being PC.
2) People losing their jobs or not getting hired for not being PC.
3) People being banned from speaking on campus for not being PC.
4) People being kicked out of school for not being PC.

Real, tangible consequences for having a non-conforming opinion.

 

[ACamp1900]

This crap from The Root is exactly what I'm talking about. They cannot tolerate anyone who doesn't toe the PC line to the letter. Rather than celebrate an intelligent, independent black woman empowering herself they try to tear her down because of totally benign comments. Same crap as with Sage Steele or any person with brown skin that dares to have independent thought.

It's a huge problem.

"All Skin Folk ain't Kin Folk...."

 

[woolybug25]

To be clear, this is not social media trolls I'm talking about. Nobody gives a fuck what some random person says on Twitter or Facebook.

I'm talking about:
1) People getting ridiculed by legitimate media outlets (Slate, HuffPo, Salon, etc.) for not being PC.
2) People losing their jobs or not getting hired for not being PC.
3) People being banned from speaking on campus for not being PC.
4) People being kicked out of school for not being PC.

Real, tangible consequences for having a non-conforming opinion.

So if this is a real, tangible problem in society, I can assume you personally know a few people that stuff like this has happened to?

I honestly cannot think of a single person I have ever met or encountered that lost their job due to not following som PC code of conduct. Not one.

 

[IrishLax]

So if this is a real, tangible problem in society, I can assume you personally know a few people that stuff like this has happened to?

I honestly cannot think of a single person I have ever met or encountered that lost their job due to not following som PC code of conduct. Not one.

To walk through my four points:

1) is self-evident, as the examples have already been provided. An example of someone I "know" is this: Indiana Pizzeria Forced to Close After Backlash for Refusal to Cater Gay Wedding | Fox News Insider ... the girl quoted in the article (Crystal O'Connor) is the cousin of a St. Mary's girl (Bethany O'Connor) that my roommate dated at ND.

2) See above, Memories Pizza. Lost their livelihood because of PC backlash. Know the family affected.

3) Obviously, also self-evident and has happened with guys like Wizard's favorite Ben Shapiro. I believe Wiz counts as a real person, as does Shapiro.

4) I don't personally know anyone who has gotten kicked out of school for running afoul of PC. But there was a girl in Houston who almost did for saying "All Lives Matter", and many other reported examples of censored-speech-with-consequences on college campuses.

This isn't an imaginary problem.

 

[RDU Irish]

I refuse to socialize with Jews which makes it easier to be a holocaust denier. Just sayin.

 

[woolybug25]

So 1) is self-evident, as the examples have already been provided. An example of someone I "know" is this: Indiana Pizzeria Forced to Close After Backlash for Refusal to Cater Gay Wedding | Fox News Insider ... the girl quoted in the article (Crystal O'Connor) is the cousin of a St. Mary's girl (Bethany O'Connor) that my roommate dated at ND.

2) See above, Memories Pizza. Lost their livelihood because of PC backlash. Know the family affected.

3) Obviously, also self-evident and has happened with guys like Wizard's favorite Ben Shapiro. I believe Wiz counts as a real person, as does Shapiro.

4) I don't personally know anyone who has gotten kicked out of school for running afoul of PC. But there was a girl in Houston who almost did for saying "All Lives Matter", and many other reported examples of censored-speech-with-consequences on college campuses.

This isn't an imaginary problem.

I don't see Memories Pizza as a PC issue. We may simply disagree here, but I think that is a legitimate civil rights issue. Regardless of what side someone would argue for, or against, I find it hard to believe people would see that as based in political correctness. Do you feel that all LGBT issues are PC issues? If so, then not much to debate there. We just fundamentally disagree.

Regarding Shapiro, by design, he's a protagonist. The exact issue that I have been pointing out. He brings up a lot of legitimate points, but his scenarios that he (or Milo for that matter) gets into are self inflicted situations.

and again... none of us know Shapiro personally. So I find it a pretty off tilt example of someone's personal experience with PC issues. As I've said from the start, you can go on Twitter and they'll tell you how the PC culture is destroying your world, but there's obviously a disconnect there if you cannot name a single person that you have a first hand experience that negatively effected them.

 

[woolybug25]

I refuse to socialize with Jews which makes it easier to be a holocaust denier. Just sayin.

Pretty silly analogy. Is the holocaust currently going on? Because we are discussing whether its a current widespread issue. If you would have asked me during WW2 if the Holocaust was a current issue in American society. Im pretty sure I could have pointed out more than a few people it was effecting.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Wooly doubling down for three pages. This is impressive.

 

[ACamp1900]

Not like any of this will go anywhere with wooly... but for the general dialogue: The campus director before I got here was fired for not caving to PC movements like those I laid out in earlier posts. This was before I came on board with my current University but my wife was here and I heard all about it. Also, a Dean was also forced out last year for standing by his feelings on marriage issues... it happens. I have also detailed my personal experiences before in public schools... it's not 'just like those flower power teachers of old"...

Stuff like this happens, those aligned with PC are empowered, those who aren't, and have the nerve to speak up, are often targeted.

Professor who tweeted against PC culture is out at NYU | New York Post