Political Correctness thread

[ACamp1900]

I swear this is how I picture the lives of the majority of these people...

 

[ACamp1900]

If anyone can help w embedding this I'd appreciate it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8M2tg2RkIQ

 

[NorthDakota]

If anyone can help w embedding this I'd appreciate it:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8M2tg2RkIQ

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[IrishLion]

About to voluntarily attend a training session on "implicit bias."

I am curious to see if it will remain wide-ranging and generalized, as the course description indicates, or if it will focus on racism from the start and stick with ONLY racism.

I've heard horror stories about this session, so I'm curious.

 

[wizards8507]

Are Fidget Spinners the Newest Symbol of White Supremacy?

 

[IrishLion]

Are Fidget Spinners the Newest Symbol of White Supremacy?

That's like a knock-off Onion article, right?

 

[wizards8507]

That's like a knock-off Onion article, right?

It's sarcastic, but the articles they reference and link to are 100% real.

 

[IrishLion]

My "implicit bias" training actually wasn't the "white guilt" session that I was lead to believe, though there is a chance that we simply got a reasonable instructor. There are past instructors who had more of an agenda than just "address implicit bias," from what I've heard.

It was a good presentation and left some things to think about, concerning our unconscious biases and how they affect the workplace and institution as a whole.

 

[woolybug25]

Are Fidget Spinners the Newest Symbol of White Supremacy?

This is a good example of what I brought up before about "faux PC". This isn't a reputable, reliable or even known source with this article. It's no different than some crazy Onion article being taken out of context by someone.

But many articles like this have been used to create this belief that there is an absorbent amount of PC permeating in our culture that is being way overblown. Article after article in this thread are being used to justify a thought process that isn't what is really happening. Is there plenty of "PC" garbage in culture? Of course there is, as there always has been. But social media, increased topics and the interwebs have created a false dichotomy.

 

[wizards8507]

This is a good example of what I brought up before about "faux PC". This isn't a reputable, reliable or even known source with this article. It's no different than some crazy Onion article being taken out of context by someone.

What are you talking about? The article links to The New Yorker and The Atlantic, arguably the two signature publications of the intellectual elite.

 

[IrishLax]

This is a good example of what I brought up before about "faux PC". This isn't a reputable, reliable or even known source with this article. It's no different than some crazy Onion article being taken out of context by someone.

The point of the blog is to call out the "reputable sources" and they link directly to them... they specifically call out The Atlantic and The New Yorker. Are The Atlantic and The New Yorker not legitimate publications in your mind?

 

[zelezo vlk]

I thought the intellectual elite read Highlights

 

[woolybug25]

What are you talking about? The article links to The New Yorker and The Atlantic, arguably the two signature publications of the intellectual elite.

The point of the blog is to call out the "reputable sources" and they link directly to them... they specifically call out The Atlantic and The New Yorker. Are The Atlantic and The New Yorker not legitimate publications in your mind?

Let me rephrase. I'm not saying the article's references aren't legitimate. I'm saying the article itself (heatstreat.com) isn't and this is why; The article is taking two insignificant OPINION pieces and twisting them into an argument that Fidget's are inherently racist. That would be akin to me hearing ndgrad say that women are intellectually inferior, then going onto another forum telling everyone that there is a huge problem with IE posters, where they are a bunch of sexist.

Two people wrote opinion pieces that were stupid in magazines both of you probably agree has stupid articles regularly. That doesn't make Fidgets racist, nor it an inherent problem in society. Like much of the "Anti-PC" topics, it's a blown out of proportion topic that is no where near an issue as this crowd would like you to believe. Just as they would also like you to believe that the real world is filled with an ever increasing neo-liberal culture trying to make everyone a cross-dressing lesbian. It's not real, it is exaggerated.

 

[wizards8507]

It's not real, it is exaggerated.

Do you know anybody who's currently in college? My sister just wrapped up sophomore year at BC and it's exactly as bad as the memes make it appear.

 

[woolybug25]

Do you know anybody who's currently in college? My sister just wrapped up sophomore year at BC and it's exactly as bad as the memes make it appear.

Yes. I know people in college, some that work at a University and several that teach. I'm sure you found one person to agree with you and that is enough, but I highly disagree.

I remember that in the early 2000's the Vagina Monologues did a campus tour around Michigan. People uproared, protested, etc. But it wasn't some over arching implication to society. But in today's social media drawn world, there would have been articles, people wearing vagina hats and folks like you on the interwebs claiming it's the end of the world.

But... it would be no different. Our lense is different today, the actual actions I don't believe are really that much more different. In fact, I would argue that the entire "Anti-PC" movement has done more damage (ie bringing us Trump) than the actual PC movement. Hell... someone telling me I'm insensitive doesn't change my world. But I can tell you that the Anti-PC crowd is more offensive in my world. I'm not seeing vulgar language and personal attacks on FB and the lot from granola pushing libs. I'm seeing it from the angry "Anti-PC" crowd that feels their free speech also gives them free passage to vulgarity, anger, attacks, and bigotry.

My broader point is that the entire "PC vs Anti-PC" debate has brought out the worst in people. Not the other way around.

 

[ACamp1900]

I'm not seeing vulgar language and personal attacks on FB and the lot from granola pushing libs. I'm seeing it from the angry "Anti-PC" crowd that feels their free speech also gives them free passage to vulgarity, anger, attacks, and bigotry.

I think you may be seeing what you want to see on this one. The internet and social media brings out the worst in many people, from all walks, but saying you are seeing no vulgarity, venom and intrusive or violent behavior from the PC left(especially when it comes to college campuses)?? I mean, yeah you're wearing blinders...

 

[woolybug25]

I think you may be seeing what you want to see on this one. The internet and social media brings out the worst in many people, from all walks, but saying you are seeing no vulgarity, venom and intrusive or violent behavior from the PC left?? I mean, yeah you're wearing blinders...

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that I don't see it at all from the left. I certainly do and some of them have the same characteristics. But to say that it is the same level as the Nationalists (ie not Republican), Alt Right segment that I'm subjected to would be false.

Also, as I mentioned before, my belief is that the entire subject on both sides is widely exaggerated. PC vs Anti-PC is something that I don't believe match up when you compare the level of it on social media vs the real world.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think it's important to note here that no one who is taken seriously by anyone is out there validating, empowering or normalizing the Alt Right.

 

[woolybug25]

I think it's important to note here that no one who is taken seriously by anyone is out there validating, empowering or normalizing the Alt Right.

I would argue that anyone supporting the Trump administration is validating, empowering and normalizing the Alt Right... and there are plenty of those supporters on here.

 

[ACamp1900]

I would argue that anyone supporting the Trump administration is validating, empowering and normalizing the Alt Right...

Yup... it's those pesky anti PCers who are the problem...

 

[woolybug25]

Yup... it's those pesky anti PCers who are the problem...

Do you disagree that Anti-PC people 1) validate 2) empower and 3) normalize Donald Trump? Who literally is the figurehead of the Alt-Right movement?

Well I can say this... I'm not convinced that there even is a large population of "PC'ers" in this country. Judging by the amount of people that voted for Trump, there certainly seems to be a good population of "Anti-PC" people out there.

While IE certainly isn't a microcosm of the country's population, it would also be worth noting that I can't remember the last post that could be considered someone being overly PC, but I can tell you we have an entire thread to make fun of them....

 

[ACamp1900]

Well I can say this... I'm not convinced that there even is a large population of "PC'ers" in this country. Judging by the amount of people that voted for Trump, there certainly seems to be a good population of "Anti-PC" people out there.

While IE certainly isn't a microcosm of the country's population, it would also be worth noting that I can't remember the last post that could be considered someone being overly PC, but I can tell you we have an entire thread to make fun of them....

and I'm not convinced the Alt Right is a thing large enough to even warrant discussing... let alone having any real influence anywhere. I'll continue this dialogue after my next emergency meeting on "Micro Aggressions: How to not Offend Anyone Whilst Breathing,"...

also, your edit on Trump is laughable... Trump being some anti PC figure head is fine as he's easily one of if not THE least PC political figure out there... but he's not Alt Right nor a figure head, that's your blinders talking.

 

[woolybug25]

and I'm not convinced the Alt Right is even a thing large enough to even warrant discussing... let alone having any real influence anywhere. I'll continue this dialogue after my next emergency meeting on "Micro Aggressions: How to not Offend Anyone Whilst Breathing,"...

Really... when was the last time you had to attend a meeting on "micro-aggressions"?

also, your edit on Trump is laughable... Trump being some anti PC figure head is fine as he's easily one of if not THE least PC political figure out there... but he's not Alt Right nor a figure head, that's your blinders talking.

Ha... wut?

Yeah... doesn't seem like Trump represents them at all...

The alt-right has also had a significant influence on conservative thought in the United States, such as the Sailer Strategy, along with having close ties to the Trump administration. It has been listed as a key reason for Trump's win in the 2016 election.[43][44] The Trump administration has also brought in several figures who are associated with the alt-right, such as White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon. [45] In 2016, he described Breitbart as "the platform for the alt-right," and with the goal of promoting the ideology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

 

[wizards8507]

Really... when was the last time you had to attend a meeting on "micro-aggressions"?

Literally a month ago. I believe I posted about it in this thread.

 

[ACamp1900]

Really... when was the last time you had to attend a meeting on "micro-aggressions"?

We honest to God have them often...

On Trump: sorry not on board at all with that mess but I'll leave that dialogue as I don't like being in the defending Trump corner... my thoughts on this admin are clear... there are many reasons to not like Trump, his being some leader of the 'Alt Right' is not among them.

 

[woolybug25]

Literally a month ago. I believe I posted about it in this thread.

Post the info. Otherwise I have no frame of reference to respond.


You also work at the stupidest place on the planet. So that doesn't help.

 

[woolybug25]

We honest to God have them often....

Show me an example.

 

[ACamp1900]

Show me an example.

Of like an email request for one of these meetings? LOL, you're something... I'll have to let that simmer for a bit as my instinct is I'm definitely not comfortable sharing that on IE... if you are calling me a liar then hey, you do you.

 

[IrishLax]

Yes. I know people in college, some that work at a University and several that teach. I'm sure you found one person to agree with you and that is enough, but I highly disagree.

I remember that in the early 2000's the Vagina Monologues did a campus tour around Michigan. People uproared, protested, etc. But it wasn't some over arching implication to society. But in today's social media drawn world, there would have been articles, people wearing vagina hats and folks like you on the interwebs claiming it's the end of the world.

But... it would be no different. Our lense is different today, the actual actions I don't believe are really that much more different. In fact, I would argue that the entire "Anti-PC" movement has done more damage (ie bringing us Trump) than the actual PC movement. Hell... someone telling me I'm insensitive doesn't change my world. But I can tell you that the Anti-PC crowd is more offensive in my world. I'm not seeing vulgar language and personal attacks on FB and the lot from granola pushing libs. I'm seeing it from the angry "Anti-PC" crowd that feels their free speech also gives them free passage to vulgarity, anger, attacks, and bigotry.

My broader point is that the entire "PC vs Anti-PC" debate has brought out the worst in people. Not the other way around.

Go look at Sage Steele's harassment for daring to be a moderate black woman who dared to share an opinion that wasn't 100% PC on social media. Still have the same opinion?

 

[woolybug25]

Of like an email request for one of these meetings? LOL, you're something... I'll have to let that simmer for a bit as my instinct is I'm definitely not comfortable sharing that on IE... if you are calling me a liar then hey, you do you.

I have no doubt that someone in education attends meetings on conflict resolution, communication, etc. But how is that a new event? I simply just asked you to give me an example of what one of these said meetings are. I never asked you to screenshot your outlook calendar or anything. Lol

I wouldn't think an explanation of the event would be that difficult since they are so prevalent and disruptive to your life.