Police State USA

[BeauBenken]

wasnt this for j-walking?

The article says that she struck the officer at one point.

 

[kmoose]

wasnt this for j-walking?

The cops were responding to a report of a fight at a bar. Apparently involving her boyfriend. Not too hard for me to believe that she went ape-sh!t because the cops were "persecuting" her boyfriend, and thought that they would never touch her because, well........... "I'm a girrrrrrrrllllll"

 

[NDdomer2]

might be a different one than from what i saw the other day.

Sacto Cop Caught On Video Beating Alleged Jaywalker Placed On Leave « CBS San Francisco

here is the one i saw

 

[IrishLax]

Leaked video shows Balch Springs officer using taser on handcuffed man - Story | KDFW

SMH. Same police department where Jordan Edwards was shot a few weeks ago and that cop charged with murder.

 

[wizards8507]

I won't post it here, but the Philando Castile dashcam tape is out and I can't figure out how this cop was acquitted.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

I won't post it here, but the Philando Castile dashcam tape is out and I can't figure out how this cop was acquitted.

Agreed.

 

[dshans]

Disturbing, to say the least.

 

[calvegas04]

I won't post it here, but the Philando Castile dashcam tape is out and I can't figure out how this cop was acquitted.

you don't know what the officer saw or if the guy started reaching for the gun. If there was a shoulder cam maybe it would be different

 

[irishff1014]

you don't know what the officer saw or if the guy started reaching for the gun. If there was a shoulder cam maybe it would be different

Correct mindset.

 

[NDRock]

you don't know what the officer saw or if the guy started reaching for the gun. If there was a shoulder cam maybe it would be different

Honestly, after reading what the officer said right after the shooting, he had no idea what he saw either. Doesn't seem like he saw a gun. Probably best he is no longer a cop. It's a very tough job and I don't think he in any way wanted to kill Castille. Sad situation for sure.

 

[Wild Bill]

you don't know what the officer saw or if the guy started reaching for the gun. If there was a shoulder cam maybe it would be different

Agreed. But we do know what what the officer heard. Castile said he had a gun or something similar. Almost immediately after he tells him, the officer shoots him. It strikes me as unreasonable that officer believed Castile moved to grab/use the weapon immediately after telling the officer he had the weapon, especially given the tone and level of his voice. He seemed very calm and cooperative.

It just doesn't make sense to me but I'm not a police officer. Perhaps there is something I'm missing.

 

[IrishLax]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...id-about-the-shooting/?utm_term=.68fa14cef3ac

Video contained at link, viewer discretion advised. Unbelievable. We have a serious issue with policing in this country. He should be in jail for manslaughter.

"You don't know what he saw"... yeah, he didn't either. The Castile notifies the officer he has a firearm, the officer says "don't pull it out" and he replies "I'm not pulling it out", and the officer freaks out and shoots him multiple times. Just absolutely unloads the clip from point blank range.

I'm sorry but we need to live in a world where "thinking" someone "might" be reaching for a gun is not just cause to execute them.

 

[Legacy93]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...id-about-the-shooting/?utm_term=.68fa14cef3ac

Video contained at link, viewer discretion advised. Unbelievable. We have a serious issue with policing in this country. He should be in jail for manslaughter.

"You don't know what he saw"... yeah, he didn't either. The Castile notifies the officer he has a firearm, the officer says "don't pull it out" and he replies "I'm not pulling it out", and the officer freaks out and shoots him multiple times. Just absolutely unloads the clip from point blank range.

I'm sorry but we need to live in a world where "thinking" someone "might" be reaching for a gun is not just cause to execute them.

Just watched the video. What stands out to me is the other officer is looking directly in the car and has no reaction until the office starts shooting. The reaction definitely doesn't match how I would imagine one would react if they saw someone reaching for a firearm. Speculation (obviously) but interesting to consider.

 

[dshans]

What happened to the steps "place your hands where I can see them" and "step out of the car, please, sir."

Is there a category for "Unnecessarily Paranoid Homicide?"

"Over-the-top Reactionary Negligent Homicide?"

Just back away. If the man exits the car brandishing a weapon, the fire away. To have fired that many shots into a man seated in his car is reprehensible and criminal.

Who trained this man? Who recommended him to become an officer with a loosey-goosey "License to Kill?"

Dear Lord!

 

[wizards8507]

The Unwritten Law That Helps Bad Cops Go Free - National Review

 

[Legacy]

'I HOPE I DON'T GET KILLED FOR BEING BLACK TODAY' (Eleven Warriors)

Cleveland Heights four-star defensive end Tyreke Smith didn't have much to prove during Ohio State's one-day camp on Saturday, as he's already one of the most sought-after prospects in the country. In addition to holding an offer from the Buckeyes, programs such as Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn State, Texas, UCLA and USC are pulling out all the stops to get him to commit.

“I hope I don't get killed for being black today.”

That's a powerful message from a 17-year-old kid who shouldn't even have to worry about losing his life, but that's also a reality for so many young African-Americans across the country. Smith lives in a county that saw a state-high 168 homicides last year, and he wants to use his platform as a star athlete to make a positive impact on his community.

“I decided to wear the shirt because I wanted to bring attention to the epidemic of blacks being killed at an alarming rate,” Smith said. “What we would like to do is have people talk about these issues to reduce the murder rate of African-Americans.”

Now before you rush to judgment, understand that Smith isn't just talking about the Cleveland police officer who fatally shot 12-year-old Tamir Rice and other examples of police brutality that seemingly dominate headline news. He's also talking about the black-on-black crime that is destroying his city brick by brick.

“The shirt was created to bring light into the every day problems that blacks face between police and black-on-black crimes,” Tyreke's older brother, Malik, said. “The shirt exemplifies a voice that we have, but may not be heard. So why not have people see it?”

 

[NDRock]

Philando Castile Shooting -- Police Must Display “Reasonable” Fear | National Review

Crazy article. The quote about marijuana is ridiculous.

On a related note. We've all seen the guys who open carry assault style guns into public places (like Chipotle). If someone like that comes into my shop, can I unload on him because I am in fear for my life? According to this story, cops can. Would the same hold true for a civilian?

 

[wizards8507]

Crazy article. The quote about marijuana is ridiculous.

On a related note. We've all seen the guys who open carry assault style guns into public places (like Chipotle). If someone like that comes into my shop, can I unload on him because I am in fear for my life? According to this story, cops can. Would the same hold true for a civilian?

I think you're misreading the article. He's not saying cops SHOULD get off for this kind of thing, just that juries are manipulated into misunderstanding the legal standard.

 

[NDRock]

I think you're misreading the article. He's not saying cops SHOULD get off for this kind of thing, just that juries are manipulated into misunderstanding the legal standard.

I understand but if juries are consistently coming to non-guilty verdicts than that's essentially the "practical standard", if not the legal standard. What I'm curious about is if the same "standard" would hold for a citizen.

 

[dublinirish]

Trevor Noah Calls Out NRA For Silence Over Legal Gun Owner Philando Castile | HuffPost

 

[wizards8507]

Trevor Noah Calls Out NRA For Silence Over Legal Gun Owner Philando Castile | HuffPost

The NRA is a fraud and has been for some time. I lost all respect for them after their role in the Connecticut gun control legislation post-Sandy Hook. They completely rolled over and played dead in exchange for kickbacks from the Connecticut legislature in the form of mandatory gun safety training classes. Guess who's the only approved provider of these gun safety training classes? You guessed it, the NRA.

 

[IrishLax]

I understand but if juries are consistently coming to non-guilty verdicts than that's essentially the "practical standard", if not the legal standard. What I'm curious about is if the same "standard" would hold for a citizen.

Yeah, my initial inclination is no way. Like if you shoot someone in a traffic altercation with another civilian because you "felt scared" it never passes... generally, if you shoot first you better have stone cold proof that you were defending yourself to claim self defense... you can't be like "yeah I shot him but I thought he was reaching for a gun even though he told me he wasn't and then later I verified that in fact he was not armed." You'd go to jail 100% of the time, IMO.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Any officers on this board care to describe the proper way to handle a traffic stop when the driver informs you that he legally has a firearm?

This dumbass cop had zero right being a police officer given his abundantly clear lack of ability to remain calm and level-headed in a situation that warranted absolutely zero reason to be on edge, draw his firearm, and fucking unload his mag into the driver.

I am utterly speechless. The jury needs their heads examined.

 

[phork]

Any officers on this board care to describe the proper way to handle a traffic stop when the driver informs you that he legally has a firearm?

This dumbass cop had zero right being a police officer given his abundantly clear lack of ability to remain calm and level-headed in a situation that warranted absolutely zero reason to be on edge, draw his firearm, and fucking unload his mag into the driver.

I am utterly speechless. The jury needs their heads examined.

This is clearly a text book case, what more do you need?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Any officers on this board care to describe the proper way to handle a traffic stop when the driver informs you that he legally has a firearm?

This dumbass cop had zero right being a police officer given his abundantly clear lack of ability to remain calm and level-headed in a situation that warranted absolutely zero reason to be on edge, draw his firearm, and fucking unload his mag into the driver.

I am utterly speechless. The jury needs their heads examined.

It appears the officer definitely overreacted and mishandled the situation. Whether that indicates a lack of proper training or he just had the wrong disposition for the job is hard to say. He may have been a good cop, but have been dealing with some other issues that pushed him out of his normal behavior zone (we saw a case a year or two ago where an otherwise outstanding officer overreacted in a case after having just worked a suicide). He may have been a guy who had no business in this line of work. We don't know enough to make that determination right now.

 

[dshans]

Yeah, my initial inclination is no way. Like if you shoot someone in a traffic altercation with another civilian because you "felt scared" it never passes... generally, if you shoot first you better have stone cold proof that you were defending yourself to claim self defense... you can't be like "yeah I shot him but I thought he was reaching for a gun even though he told me he wasn't and then later I verified that in fact he was not armed." You'd go to jail 100% of the time, IMO.

Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, anyone?

 

[dublinirish]

Read the transcript of officer Jeronimo Yanez's BCA interview - StarTribune.com

 

[wizards8507]

Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman, anyone?

Except Trayvon Martin jumped George Zimmerman per eyewitness testimony and physical evidence.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

I'll reserve judgment until NJNP gives us his take on the matter.

 

[IrishLax]

Travon Martin, George Zimmerman, anyone?

The thing with George Zimmerman was that he was getting his ass beat. Literally getting his head pounded into the ground when he short Trayvon Martin... physical evidence and witness accounts both backed this up, which is why he had a strong (and winning) case.

This cop... he was in no danger at all other than what he mistakenly perceived. Certainly wasn't getting assaulted. I feel like if George Zimmerman had rolled up on Trayvon Martin and shot him without losing a fist fight first he would've gone to jail.