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Figure we might as well get a thread going for all police shenanigans.

Virginia Police Caught Assaulting Teens, Video Deletion Fails

This was just linked to me. Happened in Virginia (and low & behold the victims were white for once) and it's a pretty jarring video.

Cops pull over teens for license plate light being out, then proceed to harass/assault them. The kids tried to do everything by the book knowing their rights and started recording the stop once it started taking a turn for the worst.

Not only did the cops brutalize the teens, but then they attempted to erase the incriminating video while throwing the book at them with made up charges of resisting arrest, assault of a police officer, etc. Sadly for them, they were too incompetent to permanently delete the video.

Also, their tasers apparently have "taser cams" that activate after use... so the department was already investigating, and now that there is more video hopefully they all lose their jobs and then some.
 

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Brandon (the kid in the back seat) is currently imprisoned until July on charges of assault and battery on a police officer and resisting arrest.

I've heard a lot of discussing lately about the concern that many ex soldiers, trained for a war zone, are now police officers in a position where they are supposed to serve and protect.
 
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They don't even have to assault someone to make my blood boil.

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Without video, this cop faced zero consequences. Thankfully a review board took care of this tool, though I think "stripped of his shield and gun, and will be placed on modified duty" isn't enough.

Cop who berated Uber driver is stripped of badge and gun | New York Post
 
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They don't even have to assault someone to make my blood boil.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SGSrGmHsT8s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Without video, this cop faced zero consequences. Thankfully a review board took care of this tool, though I think "stripped of his shield and gun, and will be placed on modified duty" isn't enough.

Cop who berated Uber driver is stripped of badge and gun | New York Post

Whoa, the cop was so cheesed that a foreigner would honk at him while the cop was committing a moving violation. I hope that ticket was torn up.

Also, the cop totally looked like Hank in Breaking Bad.
 

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Figure we might as well get a thread going for all police shenanigans.

Virginia Police Caught Assaulting Teens, Video Deletion Fails

This was just linked to me. Happened in Virginia (and low & behold the victims were white for once) and it's a pretty jarring video.

Cops pull over teens for license plate light being out, then proceed to harass/assault them. The kids tried to do everything by the book knowing their rights and started recording the stop once it started taking a turn for the worst.

Not only did the cops brutalize the teens, but then they attempted to erase the incriminating video while throwing the book at them with made up charges of resisting arrest, assault of a police officer, etc. Sadly for them, they were too incompetent to permanently delete the video.

Also, their tasers apparently have "taser cams" that activate after use... so the department was already investigating, and now that there is more video hopefully they all lose their jobs and then some.


I don't think the cops did anything wrong in this one. I'm seventeen years old is not a reason to not comply with a police order.
 

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I don't think the cops did anything wrong in this one. I'm seventeen years old is not a reason to not comply with a police order.

Yeah that seems odd. However, the cops seemed to be overzealous with their use of force in order to seek compliance from nonviolent minors.
 

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I don't think the cops did anything wrong in this one. I'm seventeen years old is not a reason to not comply with a police order.

I'm not as up to date on this stuff as I should be but could it be that a minor, which he is at 17, is able to request that a parent or guardian be present before they are searched?

Regardless, getting pepper sprayed and tazed twice is way beyond anything the police should've done in that situation.
 

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They don't even have to assault someone to make my blood boil.

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/SGSrGmHsT8s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Without video, this cop faced zero consequences. Thankfully a review board took care of this tool, though I think "stripped of his shield and gun, and will be placed on modified duty" isn't enough.

Cop who berated Uber driver is stripped of badge and gun | New York Post

Wow, that video got me fired up, especially the part where he is telling the driver how unimportant he is.
 

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I think most people are grateful when the cops do their jobs and/or go above and beyond. I think most of us are unhappy when they shoot us, taze us, pepper spray us or get belligerent with the power their badge affords them.

This isn't a "F*ck the police" thread. If you don't believe that some of these videos are disturbing or represent a growing trend then I don't know what to tell you.

Police should be empowered to enforce the law. They should be monitored/videotaped to ensure they aren't abusing their power.
 

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I think most people are grateful when the cops do their jobs and/or go above and beyond. I think most of us are unhappy when they shoot us, taze us, pepper spray us or get belligerent with the power their badge affords them.

This isn't a "F*ck the police" thread. If you don't believe that some of these videos are disturbing or represent a growing trend then I don't know what to tell you.

Police should be empowered to enforce the law. They should be monitored/videotaped to ensure they aren't abusing their power.

Fact is, they are paid to do their job. It isnt a volunteer position. While in my 42 years, Ive never met a good cop, Im sure somewhere they exist. Back in college when I competed in bodybuilding, I did a lot of bouncing at southside bars. A guy I knew who was also a bodybuilder got me my first bouncer job. Difference was that I just restrained fighters while he finished the fight for them with his fists. Same guy that also broke his girlfriends nose..twice..for messing around with him. Big time steroid user. Case in point, last I knew he was a city police officer.

But lets face it, police work is low paid work that carries high risk. Why would anyone do it? Because of the power trips. Because of the ability to be above the law until significant proof is gathered to prove beyond any shred of doubt that they arent. I watched that video of the cops wearing out the guy that stole the horse that they tased and had his arms behind his back while he was face first. The supervisor said he watched "part" of the video. Your employees are accused of this and you watched "part of it" and you are a supervisor???? He then followed with "IF any wrongdoing..." IF?????

Truly sad. But truly a worldwide problem. If you think America's cops are crooked, wait until you see Ukraine's (where my wife is from).
 

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I think most people are grateful when the cops do their jobs and/or go above and beyond. I think most of us are unhappy when they shoot us, taze us, pepper spray us or get belligerent with the power their badge affords them.

This isn't a "F*ck the police" thread. If you don't believe that some of these videos are disturbing or represent a growing trend then I don't know what to tell you.

Police should be empowered to enforce the law. They should be monitored/videotaped to ensure they aren't abusing their power.

Is it a growing trend or are the bad apples being exposed more often b/c everyone is walking around with a video camera in their front pocket?
 

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Fact is, they are paid to do their job. It isnt a volunteer position. While in my 42 years, Ive never met a good cop, Im sure somewhere they exist. Back in college when I competed in bodybuilding, I did a lot of bouncing at southside bars. A guy I knew who was also a bodybuilder got me my first bouncer job. Difference was that I just restrained fighters while he finished the fight for them with his fists. Same guy that also broke his girlfriends nose..twice..for messing around with him. Big time steroid user. Case in point, last I knew he was a city police officer.

But lets face it, police work is low paid work that carries high risk. Why would anyone do it? Because of the power trips. Because of the ability to be above the law until significant proof is gathered to prove beyond any shred of doubt that they arent. I watched that video of the cops wearing out the guy that stole the horse that they tased and had his arms behind his back while he was face first. The supervisor said he watched "part" of the video. Your employees are accused of this and you watched "part of it" and you are a supervisor???? He then followed with "IF any wrongdoing..." IF?????

Truly sad. But truly a worldwide problem. If you think America's cops are crooked, wait until you see Ukraine's (where my wife is from).

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Is it a growing trend or are the bad apples being exposed more often b/c everyone is walking around with a video camera in their front pocket?

personally i think it is a combo of people feeling less respectful of authority in general and the addition of video camera's being on everyone
 

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Fact is, they are paid to do their job. It isnt a volunteer position. While in my 42 years, Ive never met a good cop, Im sure somewhere they exist. Back in college when I competed in bodybuilding, I did a lot of bouncing at southside bars. A guy I knew who was also a bodybuilder got me my first bouncer job. Difference was that I just restrained fighters while he finished the fight for them with his fists. Same guy that also broke his girlfriends nose..twice..for messing around with him. Big time steroid user. Case in point, last I knew he was a city police officer.

But lets face it, police work is low paid work that carries high risk. Why would anyone do it? Because of the power trips. Because of the ability to be above the law until significant proof is gathered to prove beyond any shred of doubt that they arent. I watched that video of the cops wearing out the guy that stole the horse that they tased and had his arms behind his back while he was face first. The supervisor said he watched "part" of the video. Your employees are accused of this and you watched "part of it" and you are a supervisor???? He then followed with "IF any wrongdoing..." IF?????

Truly sad. But truly a worldwide problem. If you think America's cops are crooked, wait until you see Ukraine's (where my wife is from).

Perhaps the same reason(s) that people choose to serve their country by enlisting in the Armed Forces for miniscule pay and HUGE risk...

I would guess that you have met many good cops. It's my guess that the chip on your shoulder just kept you from seeing them.
 

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These high adrenaline situations are extremely difficult. It can make people act in ways that they wouldn't otherwise. There's lots of research on the topic. For lack of a better link, here's a wikipedia entry.

High Speed Pursuit Syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm horrified by some of the videos I've seen. But I'm glad I don't have to make decisions in high pressure situations like these.
 
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These high adrenaline situations are extremely difficult. It can make people act in ways that they wouldn't otherwise. There's lots of research on the topic. For lack of a better link, here's a wikipedia entry.

High Speed Pursuit Syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm horrified by some of the videos I've seen. But I'm glad I don't have to make decisions in high pressure situations like these.

Couldn't one make the argument that when cops don't initially approach situations with a respectful demeanor they're escalating the situation and putting themselves in greater risk? Sheriff Badass is doing anyone any favors by going out of his way to be a prick.
 

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personally i think it is a combo of people feeling less respectful of authority in general and the addition of video camera's being on everyone

Does this excuse the police altogether? That does not seem appropriate. This dude in SC didn't get shot eight times by a smart ass with a camera phone. It is ok to spread some blame around but surely cops are not faultless ... I hope I am misunderstanding your point.
 

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I don't think the cops did anything wrong in this one. I'm seventeen years old is not a reason to not comply with a police order.

The cops overstepped their authority, did not recognize the rights of those in the vehicle, and the person never "didn't comply"... and then they charged the person with crimes he didn't commit, and then tried to destroy evidence.

The bolded is what is really messed up. Excessive force is one thing... breaking the law by ignoring the rights of citizens is another... those can both be "mistakes." Charging someone with crimes that never happened and attempting to destroy evidence is flat out wrong.
 

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I have plenty of respect for the police and the difficult job they do. But, the bad apple argument only gets you so far. When you encounter a bad apple plumber, your sink isn't fixed right. Bad apple mechanic, you have to pay someone else to fix your car again. Bad apple cop? Who might get wrongfully imprisoned or shot. So I can understand the heightened level of hand-wringing over bad cops. You only need to encounter one and your life could very well be over.
 

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Does this excuse the police altogether? That does not seem appropriate. This dude in SC didn't get shot eight times by a smart ass with a camera phone. It is ok to spread some blame around but surely cops are not faultless ... I hope I am misunderstanding your point.

yes u are but i am also not the best at explaining my thoughts--at least my wife says so ;)
i am not dismissing that there bad cops...i was just saying about an increase in this kind of behavior by cops...kids/people are less "afraid" of giving cops attitude etc which the cop then uses excessive force
 

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Couldn't one make the argument that when cops don't initially approach situations with a respectful demeanor they're escalating the situation and putting themselves in greater risk? Sheriff Badass is doing anyone any favors by going out of his way to be a prick.

Absolutely. I didn't think the cop in the most recent incident did that.
 

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Some oldies but goodies... stop and frisk:
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Violating the rights of accused and attempting to intimidate a public defender before arresting the public defender on literally no grounds:
S.F. public defender detained outside court; office outraged - SFGate
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