Police State USA

[kmoose]

Utah Subway worker accused of drugging officer's drink | Daily Mail Online

 

[irishff1014]

Milwaukee violence: Protests break out after officer fatally shoots man - CNN.com

SMH I'll never understand burning stuff down and looting.

 

[RDU Irish]

Milwaukee violence: Protests break out after officer fatally shoots man - CNN.com

SMH I'll never understand burning stuff down and looting.

I can attest to that being a VERY bad neighborhood. I would be uncomfortable driving through there in broad daylight. Milwaukee would be well served bulldozing about thirty square blocks in that area.

 

[phgreek]

Milwaukee violence: Protests break out after officer fatally shoots man - CNN.com

SMH I'll never understand burning stuff down and looting.

So...he was carrying a gun, running away, but got shot in the Chest????

Seems like there is more to this story...waiting to hear.

 

[ickythump1225]

Crowds of “Black Lives Matter” rioters chanted “black power” as they targeted white individuals for violence in Milwaukee late Saturday night and early Sunday morning, according to video posted online in the aftermath of a police shooting.

The video posted by Paul Joseph Watson of Infowars shows rioters asking, “Is they white?” as cars drive slowly by.

#BlackLivesMatter rioters target whites: “They beating up all the white people.” #Milwaukee pic.twitter.com/G85jnYtd3k

— Paul Joseph Watson (@PrisonPlanet) August 14, 2016

“Yeah they white!” states someone else, prompting the mob to run towards the vehicle.

“Yeah they white, get their a–!” screams another.

“Hey they beatin’ up every white person!” exclaims another rioter.

“He white – beat his head – b-tch!” he adds.

The nighttime footage appears to show cars being attacked by the mob, even to the point of trying to drag out the drivers.

Milwaukee madness: White people ‘hunted’ for attacks

More racial harmony in the United States. I look for Obama and Hillary to justify this and demonize whites and cops within the week.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Police State USA

Milwaukee madness: White people ‘hunted’ for attacks

More racial harmony in the United States. I look for Obama and Hillary to justify this and demonize whites and cops within the week.

Wasn't the cop who fired Black?

 

[kmoose]

So...he was carrying a gun, running away, but got shot in the Chest????

Seems like there is more to this story...waiting to hear.

He supposedly turned and aimed the gun at the pursuing officer, I heard. I have no idea if that is accurate or not. But I guess we will find out when they release the bodycam footage.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I'm bothered by the fact that the BLM people seem to automatically assume racism & police misconduct the moment something happens without waiting to get the facts or taking into account the behavior of the person shot. If an innocent person gets shot or someone gets shot when their behavior or the situation doesn't warrant it, that's one thing. Protesting, violence, and burning down a neighborhood when the victim was threatening others, wielding a weapon, resisting arrest, or attacking the police is a completely different thing. They lose all credibility when they reflexively protest over such shootings.

Stick to actual incidents of police misconduct and everyone in the country would support their cause as just. Claiming police misconduct and taking the violent/burn-this-shit-down approach when some thug gets shot during the commission of a crime is turning mainstream America away from supporting them and making them look like nothing more than thugs who want a lawless society where they can do as they please and the police are powerless to interfere.

 

[phgreek]

Milwaukee madness: White people ‘hunted’ for attacks

More racial harmony in the United States. I look for Obama and Hillary to justify this and demonize whites and cops within the week.

I'm not a BLM fan...So many things have happened on their watch where you can absolutely attribute pretty shitty conduct to them.

In this case, I can't tell if BLM was involved. Were there those who claim to be BLM perpetrating violence, arson, hate crimes...probably. Was there BLM leadership present?

Time will tell.

And Yes, you can bet the jackboots from the DOJ will use this to tilt their comprehensive "review" of Milwaukee area PDs, regardless of facts.

 

[pkt77242]

I'm not a BLM fan...So many things have happened on their watch where you can absolutely attribute pretty shitty conduct to them.

In this case, I can't tell if BLM was involved. Were there those who claim to be BLM perpetrating violence, arson, hate crimes...probably. Was there BLM leadership present?

Time will tell.

And Yes, you can bet the jackboots from the DOJ will use this to tilt their comprehensive "review" of Milwaukee area PDs, regardless of facts.

Out of curiosity did you read the DOJ report from Baltimore? If so what did you think?

 

[Woneone]

Out of curiosity did you read the DOJ report from Baltimore? If so what did you think?

I think I've brought up Peter Moskos before, but his assessment at Cop in the Hood was pretty good.

My take away is that the report is 1/3 spot on, particularly in describing some of the dysfunction in the department (e.g. pp. 128-137) and some (but not all) of the abuses of Terry, 1/3 crazy and wrong (that goddamn 2007 kid on a motorbike is brought up as racist evil policing), and 1/3 bullshit and errors of commission (like the black power structure and majority-minority status of the city and police department).

The optimist in me hopes it will be hammer that improves the department and the lives of police officers and Baltimoreans. The report brings up problems I've spent over a decade bitching about. So good. Cops don't want to work in a dysfunctional police department. Maybe this will change that. (One can dream...)

I wasn't familiar with the 7-year old on a bike story that is used, but it's pretty comical hearing the actual facts behind it:

Picture a seven-year-old on a bike. From pp. 86-87 of the report:
Allegations of BPD’s unreasonable use of force against juveniles are not new. BPD has a history of problematic encounters with youth that pre-date the period of our review. For example, in 2007, officers arrested a seven-year old child for sitting on a dirt bike during an initiative to confiscate dirt bikes.
It became a minor scandal: A cop grabbed a 7-year-old off his bike for no reason right in front of his mom! Well that's how the false narrative grew. The paper somehow left off the seemingly important detail that it was a motorized bike. That kind of matters, doesn't it?

Long story short: 7-year-old is rolling down the street on a illegal motorized ATV. The keys are in the bike. Yes, that's what (some) 7-year-olds in Baltimore ride motor bikes with with parental encouragement. A cop sees what is going on and about to happen and does, well, what mom should have done. He takes the kid off the bike. Nobody is hurt. But mom-of-the-year files a complaint against the officer saying police assault her kid. She then (naturally) files a lawsuit for money. But the city (and this isn't natural) doesn't settle. The case goes to court, and the city wins hands-down.

I wrote about this in 2008:
Police had the nerve to stop the 7-year-old from driving an A.T.V. down the street. He wasn't "riding," says the mom; the motor was off. He was just "rolling down the street." The kid was 7. On a motorized ATV that can start with a key. So the police do their job and take the kid off the bike.
People blamed about "zero-tolerance" policing, by the way.

This was bad parenting and good policing. It should not be Exhibit A in "unreasonable use of force against juveniles." See, back then this case bothered me because it was still kind of rare in 2007 for a cop to be attacked for doing the right thing . And I bet those who wrote this report make their kids wear a helmet before they can even get on a pedal bike.

 

[ickythump1225]

Wasn't the cop who fired Black?

Has that ever stopped them before? Most of the cops in the Freddy Gray story were black.

 

[irishff1014]

So...he was carrying a gun, running away, but got shot in the Chest????

Seems like there is more to this story...waiting to hear.

I was just sharing the article. I believe they said this afternoon are the news he turned and pointed the gun at the officers. I also read that the officer that shot him did have a body camera on.

 

[irishff1014]

Milwaukee Firefighter Shot, Ambulance Struck by Gunfire on EMS Run - First Arriving Network

This is one of the many reason they will do nothing but continue to harm themselves and show how stupid they really are.

 

[irishff1014]

Anyone else see the comments from that dumbass Milwaukee Alderman Khalif Rainey? Wow oh wow is all you can say.

 

[IrishLax]

Anyone else see the comments from that dumbass Milwaukee Alderman Khalif Rainey? Wow oh wow is all you can say.

He should be arrested. Also, notice how he didn't give a single concrete example of the "oppression" and how he wants it rectified. The Civil Rights movement had concrete goals... laws that guaranteed equality. Most of these protests are about perceptions of inequity and proposed solutions either 1) don't exist or 2) are beyond ludicrous.

Lastly, I would like to say that this hate group whose "members" are responsible for at least a half dozen hate crimes that we know of are geniuses. If they chose any name but "black lives matter" then they'd be easy to meet head on, but instead by choosing the name they did they can label anyone who opposes their bullshit as being ant-black and a racist and opposing the idea that "black lives matter." So, good work.

 

[irishroo]

He should be arrested. Also, notice how he didn't give a single concrete example of the "oppression" and how he wants it rectified. The Civil Rights movement had concrete goals... laws that guaranteed equality. Most of these protests are about perceptions of inequity and proposed solutions either 1) don't exist or 2) are beyond ludicrous.

Lastly, I would like to say that this hate group whose "members" are responsible for at least a half dozen hate crimes that we know of are geniuses. If they chose any name but "black lives matter" then they'd be easy to meet head on, but instead by choosing the name they did they can label anyone who opposes their bullshit as being ant-black and a racist and opposing the idea that "black lives matter." So, good work.

I agree his comments are only making the situation worse, but is that really where we want to end up? Arresting someone for voicing an opinion? I hope and pray this country never gets to that point.

 

[IrishLax]

I agree his comments are only making the situation worse, but is that really where we want to end up? Arresting someone for voicing an opinion? I hope and pray this country never gets to that point.

I don't see him voicing an opinion, I see a government official inciting mob violence which absolutely is a crime.

 

[RDU Irish]

"government official" to describe a Milwaukee County alderman is a bit of a stretch. They have been making Chicago aldermen look like boy scouts for a few decades.

 

[irishroo]

I don't see him voicing an opinion, I see a government official inciting mob violence which absolutely is a crime.

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the entirety of his comments:

“This is a warning cry. Do we continue with the inequities, the injustice, the unemployment, the undereducation that creates these byproducts that we seen this evening? Do we continue that… The black people of Milwaukee are tired of living under this oppression… This is what it’s like living under this oppression… No one here can deny the fact that there is problems, racial problems here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin that have to be closely not examined but rectified. Rectify this immediately because if you don’t this vision of downtown, all of that, you one day away. You one day away.”

What part of that do you interpret as "urging or instigating other persons to riot," as the phrase "inciting a riot" is legally defined?

 

[RDU Irish]

How does that idiot propose they "rectify" the situation? Maybe he should call for all those idiots to pull their pants up and go to school and stop being thugs. Tom Barrett telling parents to get their kids off the streets Saturday night was hilarious - WHY WOULD THEY START PARENTING NOW, beyond the dumb implication that the riots were a bunch of under 18 kids. That whole area is a train wreck - maybe if the alderman and mayor would call them out directly and tell them to put down their guns, bricks and lighters and pick up a job or book instead of pandering to the boo-hoo BS it would be a start.

The black people of Milwaukee are oppressing themselves! Who are the ones making the streets and schools unsafe - let alone productive? Until these neighborhoods hold themselves accountable they will only make it worse. God forbid our leaders call them out on it.

 

[Bishop2b5]

I agree his comments are only making the situation worse, but is that really where we want to end up? Arresting someone for voicing an opinion? I hope and pray this country never gets to that point.

This is more than just voicing an opinion. This is inciting violence. It's not much different than shouting "Fire!" in a movie theater or encouraging a mob to attack someone. You bear a responsibility, especially as an elected official, to not intentionally cause harm to others in exercising your right to free speech.

 

[Bishop2b5]

How does that idiot propose they "rectify" the situation? Maybe he should call for all those idiots to pull their pants up and go to school and stop being thugs. Tom Barrett telling parents to get their kids off the streets Saturday night was hilarious - WHY WOULD THEY START PARENTING NOW, beyond the dumb implication that the riots were a bunch of under 18 kids. That whole area is a train wreck - maybe if the alderman and mayor would call them out directly and tell them to put down their guns, bricks and lighters and pick up a job or book instead of pandering to the boo-hoo BS it would be a start.

The black people of Milwaukee are oppressing themselves! Who are the ones making the streets and schools unsafe - let alone productive? Until these neighborhoods hold themselves accountable they will only make it worse. God forbid our leaders call them out on it.

One of their biggest (and legit) complaints is that there are few good jobs in that part of town. How is burning down businesses that had NOTHING to do with the issues going to rectify that problem? Do they think anyone is going to build a warehouse or factory or store there given the risk involved?

 

[RDU Irish]

One of their biggest (and legit) complaints is that there are few good jobs in that part of town. How is burning down businesses that had NOTHING to do with the issues going to rectify that problem? Do they think anyone is going to build a warehouse or factory or store there given the risk involved?

No

 

[IrishLax]

Unless I'm mistaken, this is the entirety of his comments:

“This is a warning cry. Do we continue with the inequities, the injustice, the unemployment, the undereducation that creates these byproducts that we seen this evening? Do we continue that… The black people of Milwaukee are tired of living under this oppression… This is what it’s like living under this oppression… No one here can deny the fact that there is problems, racial problems here in Milwaukee, Wisconsin that have to be closely not examined but rectified. Rectify this immediately because if you don’t this vision of downtown, all of that, you one day away. You one day away.”

What part of that do you interpret as "urging or instigating other persons to riot," as the phrase "inciting a riot" is legally defined?

The part where he says "if you don't rectify that ... you one day. You one day away." I don't know how you take that as anything other than a threat.

But I get your point, that's probably not nearly enough from a legal standpoint to warrant arrest.

 

[BGIF]

The part where he says "if you don't rectify that ... you one day. You one day away." I don't know how you take that as anything other than a threat.

But I get your point, that's probably not nearly enough from a legal standpoint to warrant arrest.

Now if he had said, " ... or the Second Amendment people will take care of it," the media would be screaming about violence.

 

[irishroo]

The part where he says "if you don't rectify that ... you one day. You one day away." I don't know how you take that as anything other than a threat.

But I get your point, that's probably not nearly enough from a legal standpoint to warrant arrest.

Yeah this is the point I was trying to make. His comments were stupid and maybe dangerous, but I'm of the opinion that the threshold for any limitations on the first amendment needs to be extraordinarily high, and these comments don't meet that threshold.

 

[irishff1014]

Spokane Police Defend Release of Body Cam Video | Officer.com

I hope more police depts do this through our the country to show the stupidity they put up with. The cop gave that dude every chance in the world to act right and even the dude on the phone was telling him to shut up but his lawyer thinks its bad ha. Lawyers are joke!

 

[RDU Irish]

The part where he falls down running across the street is priceless. This is more common than anyone would like to admit.

 

[Irish#1]

Spokane Police Defend Release of Body Cam Video | Officer.com

I hope more police depts do this through our the country to show the stupidity they put up with. The cop gave that dude every chance in the world to act right and even the dude on the phone was telling him to shut up but his lawyer thinks its bad ha. Lawyers are joke!

The part where he falls down running across the street is priceless. This is more common than anyone would like to admit.

Hilarious and sad at the same time.

Police have to deal with that stuff all the time.