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Typical kmoose. Of course you don't care about racist comments. If the police officer goes into an encounter believing that black people are very violent than they are more likely to perceive any action by a black person as aggressive which escalates the situation and leads to more physical/violent encounters which leads to reinforcement of the stereotype. People like that should not be police officers.

This article has some interesting quotes by the Austin police chief and by the police union (hint they aren't standing up for the officers comments). Texas police chief apologizes to black woman for officer's 'disturbing' comments - LA Times

It is typical me. I care about racist comments very much. But, typical you; without any idea what the specifics of the conversation are, you are ASSUMING that this officer's comments are racist. He says to her, "Why are so many people afraid of Black people?... I can give you a really good idea why it MIGHT be that way.... Violent tendencies. 99% of the time, when you hear about stuff like that......." It's obvious that they were having a pretty specific conversation. Without knowing what "stuff like that" refers to, neither I, NOR YOU, have any idea if it was a racist statement or not. He could very well have just been stating a crime statistic. I really don't care about the apology that she received. That's likely nothing more than hollow words that are meant to appease idiots who think that everyone who is white is racist. I hope that woman was prosecuted for resisting arrest. All this woman had to do was sit in her car and close the door. The cop asked her very nicely to do so. She made it very clear that she was NOT going to cooperate with the cop. So now she is throwing out the race card to try to mitigate any legal repercussions.
 

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I'm not sure I agree with this. Maybe 10 years ago, but we've seen policemen getting held accountable.

As far as the black mayor, prosecutor, etc., the point is that there is no white bias steering the outcome in favor of the police. Those in charge are going by the book and using the evidence. Obviously there isn't enough evidence to get convictions.

Current research shows that it is harder to convict police officers (and they are less likely to get charged). Usually juries give much more latitude to the police officer than an average citizen. I do agree that we see more firing of them. I also agree that it might change in the future of body cams are on every officer.

With the first article it talks a little bit about Ferguson but overall it talks more about research.
Police Rarely Criminally Charged for On-Duty Shootings - WSJ
The cases where US police have faced killing charges - BBC News
 

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It is typical me. I care about racist comments very much. But, typical you; without any idea what the specifics of the conversation are, you are ASSUMING that this officer's comments are racist. He says to her, "Why are so many people afraid of Black people?... I can give you a really good idea why it MIGHT be that way.... Violent tendencies. 99% of the time, when you hear about stuff like that......." It's obvious that they were having a pretty specific conversation. Without knowing what "stuff like that" refers to, neither I, NOR YOU, have any idea if it was a racist statement or not. He could very well have just been stating a crime statistic. I really don't care about the apology that she received. That's likely nothing more than hollow words that are meant to appease idiots who think that everyone who is white is racist. I hope that woman was prosecuted for resisting arrest. All this woman had to do was sit in her car and close the door. The cop asked her very nicely to do so. She made it very clear that she was NOT going to cooperate with the cop. So now she is throwing out the race card to try to mitigate any legal repercussions.

LOL. He made a racist comment, deal with it. Also you obviously didn't read the article as it discusses what happened to her.

Did you see this first quote because you seem hung up on the 2nd one?
“Let me ask you this, why are so many people afraid of black people?” he asks. “I can give you a really good idea of why it might be that way: violent tendencies.”
“I’m not saying anything, I’m not saying it’s true, I’m not saying that I can prove it or nothing, but 99% of the time, when you hear about something like that, it is the black community that’s being violent. That’s why a lot of the white people are afraid and I don’t blame them. Some of them because of their appearance and whatnot, some of them are very intimidating.”

ETA: Also when have you seen a police officer not support an officer except in egregious cases? The police union supported the arresting officer but not the other officers comments.
 
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Current research shows that it is harder to convict police officers (and they are less likely to get charged). Usually juries give much more latitude to the police officer than an average citizen. I do agree that we see more firing of them. I also agree that it might change in the future of body cams are on every officer.

With the first article it talks a little bit about Ferguson but overall it talks more about research.
Police Rarely Criminally Charged for On-Duty Shootings - WSJ
The cases where US police have faced killing charges - BBC News

This is exactly the problem. If a cop shoot someone and the person dies, unless there's video or multiple impartial witnesses it's extremely unlikely that there is enough evidence to prosecute the officer. So hopefully the prevalence of body cameras and cruiser cameras is going to be a positive for everyone in terms of accountability.

Most cops I know really want body cameras because they 1) don't plan on doing anything wrong 2) want video evidence that they did nothing wrong when someone hurls wild accusations at them.
 

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This is exactly the problem. If a cop shoot someone and the person dies, unless there's video or multiple impartial witnesses it's extremely unlikely that there is enough evidence to prosecute the officer. So hopefully the prevalence of body cameras and cruiser cameras is going to be a positive for everyone in terms of accountability.

Most cops I know really want body cameras because they 1) don't plan on doing anything wrong 2) want video evidence that they did nothing wrong when someone hurls wild accusations at them.

100% agree.
 

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Did you see this first quote because you seem hung up on the 2nd one?

Let me ask you this, why are so many people afraid of black people?” he asks. “I can give you a really good idea of why it might be that way: violent tendencies.”

“I’m not saying anything, I’m not saying it’s true, I’m not saying that I can prove it or nothing, but 99% of the time, when you hear about something like that, it is the black community that’s being violent. That’s why a lot of the white people are afraid and I don’t blame them. Some of them because of their appearance and whatnot, some of them are very intimidating.”

First of all, I don't think that quote is accurate. In the video linked, he says, "Why are so many people afraid of black people?" It seemed to me as if he was repeating a question that SHE had asked HIM.

Secondly, in my post I only referred to the first quote, and I don't recall even mentioning the second, so I fail to see how you could get the impression that I am "hung up on the second one."

Oh wait........ yes I do see it. You probably viewed it the exact same way that you viewed the conversation in the video; you've already concluded that it is racist! What was said really doesn't matter at all......... you saw a cop: RACISM! You saw my name on a post: RACISM!!

I notice that you don't call out her racism at all. When she is put over the hood of the police she demands to know "Where are the black cops?" She's CLEARLY saying that a white cop cannot be trusted by a woman of color, because white cops are racist simply because they are white.
 

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First of all, I don't think that quote is accurate. In the video linked, he says, "Why are so many people afraid of black people?" It seemed to me as if he was repeating a question that SHE had asked HIM.

Secondly, in my post I only referred to the first quote, and I don't recall even mentioning the second, so I fail to see how you could get the impression that I am "hung up on the second one."

Oh wait........ yes I do see it. You probably viewed it the exact same way that you viewed the conversation in the video; you've already concluded that it is racist! What was said really doesn't matter at all......... you saw a cop: RACISM! You saw my name on a post: RACISM!!

I notice that you don't call out her racism at all. When she is put over the hood of the police she demands to know "Where are the black cops?" She's CLEARLY saying that a white cop cannot be trusted by a woman of color, because white cops are racist simply because they are white.

LOL.
This is what you said. About 2/3 of it deals with the second quote. What a shocker that you don't even remember what you said.
Violent tendencies. 99% of the time, when you hear about stuff like that......." It's obvious that they were having a pretty specific conversation. Without knowing what "stuff like that" refers to, neither I, NOR YOU, have any idea if it was a racist statement or not. He could very well have just been stating a crime statistic.

LOL You are such a troll. I don't think that most cops are racist, Hell I doubt 10% of them are racist, but ignoring the racist ones is not an option.

As to her comments, this thread is about the police state, not stupid shit that people say when getting arrested (though that could be a great thread). Funny that you can see her comment as racist (it is) but can't see the cops comment as racist.
 

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She needed to get to the emergency room?? Looked to me like she was trying to get a lawsuit instead.
 

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I don't know how that's relevant to this thread, but it's absolutely hilarious lol...

My thoughts:
1. How long do you think she was sassing him and refusing to get out of the car before she turned on the camera?
2. I fucking hate her voice. It just oozes stupid.
3. He drove her to the destination that she input... and then she goes "tell me where I am"... what in the actual fuck...?
 

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LOL.
This is what you said. About 2/3 of it deals with the second quote. What a shocker that you don't even remember what you said.

Violent tendencies. 99% of the time, when you hear about stuff like that......." It's obvious that they were having a pretty specific conversation. Without knowing what "stuff like that" refers to, neither I, NOR YOU, have any idea if it was a racist statement or not. He could very well have just been stating a crime statistic.

LOL You are such a troll. I don't think that most cops are racist, Hell I doubt 10% of them are racist, but ignoring the racist ones is not an option.

As to her comments, this thread is about the police state, not stupid shit that people say when getting arrested (though that could be a great thread). Funny that you can see her comment as racist (it is) but can't see the cops comment as racist.

How do you manage to tie your shoes in the morning? You can't honestly be this stupid?

I didn't complain about either statement that was made. My point was that, if you consider the cop's statement to be racist, then you have to consider the woman's statement to also be racist. You seem to be up in arms about the cop's statement, but you made no mention of the woman's statement. That shows your bias in a clear light. I don't think the cop's comment is definitely NOT racist. I've just said that I am not going to jump to conclusions until I know more about the context. Why is that so hard for you race baiters to fathom?
 

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How do you manage to tie your shoes in the morning? You can't honestly be this stupid?

I didn't complain about either statement that was made. My point was that, if you consider the cop's statement to be racist, then you have to consider the woman's statement to also be racist. You seem to be up in arms about the cop's statement, but you made no mention of the woman's statement. That shows your bias in a clear light. I don't think the cop's comment is definitely NOT racist. I've just said that I am not going to jump to conclusions until I know more about the context. Why is that so hard for you race baiters to fathom?


Honestly, it is like you don't even read what I type, not shocking though:

I said that her statement was racist but this thread isn't about stupid shit that people say when getting arrested, it is about police brutality and the police state. So yes I focused on the police officers comments because that is what the thread is about. You seem to be struggling with that aspect. Again if you want to make a thread about the stupid shit that people say when getting arrested (or after they are arrested or what they say that gets them arrested) then lets talk about her.

Also nice personal attacks (not shocking coming from you though) but too bad you created a straw-man. I never said that you complained about anything but as usual you just create things that I have said to bitch about and/or change the topic such as attacking the women who is being arrested comments instead of dealing with the fact that the officer made a stupid and racist comment(s).

When was the last time you saw a police union not back an officer where it wasn't egregious? I asked you this earlier but all you wanted to talk about was the Police Chiefs apology. So have at it.

Calling obviously racist comments racist, isn't race-baiting.
 

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Honestly, it is like you don't even read what I type, not shocking though:

I said that her statement was racist but this thread isn't about stupid shit that people say when getting arrested, it is about police brutality and the police state. So yes I focused on the police officers comments because that is what the thread is about. You seem to be struggling with that aspect. Again if you want to make a thread about the stupid shit that people say when getting arrested (or after they are arrested or what they say that gets them arrested) then lets talk about her.

Also nice personal attacks (not shocking coming from you though) but too bad you created a straw-man. I never said that you complained about anything but as usual you just create things that I have said to bitch about and/or change the topic such as attacking the women who is being arrested comments instead of dealing with the fact that the officer made a stupid and racist comment(s).

When was the last time you saw a police union not back an officer where it wasn't egregious? I asked you this earlier but all you wanted to talk about was the Police Chiefs apology. So have at it.

Calling obviously racist comments racist, isn't race-baiting.


Well that's where we disagree. I don't think the comment was OBVIOUSLY racist. I have no idea what came before the comment.
 

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IrishLax;1764559[B said:
I don't know how that's relevant to this thread[/B], but it's absolutely hilarious lol...

My thoughts:
1. How long do you think she was sassing him and refusing to get out of the car before she turned on the camera?
2. I fucking hate her voice. It just oozes stupid.
3. He drove her to the destination that she input... and then she goes "tell me where I am"... what in the actual fuck...?


I post to show those who haven't a clue what these people think at times. "I ask where I'm at?.."
 
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Choi adds special prosecutor to probe of Castile shooting - StarTribune.com

Ramsey County Attorney John Choi has asked a veteran attorney with roots in St. Paul’s Rondo community to join his office as a special prosecutor in the inquiry into the death of Philando Castile.

Don Lewis, who has experience in civil desegregation, criminal defense and other practices of law will be “integral” to the investigation, although Choi has not yet decided whether he will present the case to a grand jury. Choi also said that he cannot completely defer the case to a special prosecutor, as members of the community have asked.

“I understand that there is distrust of the system and some may question the ability of a prosecutor to hold police accountable when we rely on them to present cases to our office,” Choi said. “However, if I handed this case off to any other person outside of the duties and authority of my office I would not only be abdicating my responsibility but potentially creating mistrust.”

However, he said incorporating Lewis into his team brings an independent special prosecutor without law enforcement interests, and will provide “transparency and confidence for the public.”

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension (BCA) is investigating the July 6 shooting, and hasn’t said that the investigation is completed. If previous officer-involved shootings are any indication, it’s unlikely that such an investigation would be completed in three weeks.

When the BCA investigation is completed, it will be forwarded to Choi’s office for review for possible criminal charges against the St. Anthony police officer, Jeronimo Yanez, who killed Castile, 32, during a traffic stop in Falcon Heights. Castile’s girlfriend, Diamond Reynolds, and her 4-year-old daughter were in the car at the time. Reynolds broadcast the shooting’s aftermath live on Facebook via cellphone.

Soon after Castile was shot, Choi held a news conference in which he called for a “prompt and thorough” investigation into the incident. But he hasn’t said what route he’ll use to determine whether charges should be brought against the officer.

“I believe there are benefits to doing so,” Choi said at the news conference of the grand jury process. “However, I will decide how best to proceed at a later time.”

More than 6,000 people have signed an online petition urging Choi to turn the case over to a special prosecutor.

Last March, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman eliminated the long-standing use of a grand jury in officer-involved shootings. Activists had pushed him to forgo the grand jury after Jamar Clark was fatally shot by Minneapolis Police last November.

Grand jury proceedings are private, and the activists wanted more transparency. Freeman decided not to charge the two officers in that case, upsetting activists.
 
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I can't begin to state how flat nosed this women would be If this was me.. Police wouldn't get there fast enough. "I'm facing a Moron." Hilarious!
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Response video. This lady is hilarious. "Wind up the windows and cut the car off. It's gonna get hot as hell in that car. East Hell, off of 142nd over on the East side of Hell."

"I have irritable bowel syndrome, I always keep a fart on deck."
 

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How Dangerous Is It To Be A Cop? Here's What The Data Says. | ThinkProgress

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discussion fodder...
 

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Some oldies but goodies... stop and frisk:
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Violating the rights of accused and attempting to intimidate a public defender before arresting the public defender on literally no grounds:
S.F. public defender detained outside court; office outraged - SFGate
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Re: Albuquerque Police Department

Law vs Order: Kari Brandenberg took on her own police department and lost everything (Buzzfeed)

Excerpts:

Baltimore police turned against State’s Attorney Marilyn Mosby, the daughter of two cops, after she charged six officers for the death of Freddie Gray in April 2015. A police union magazine published a column accusing her mother of drug use and her father of robbery. “Nobody wants to work” on Mosby’s security detail, one Baltimore cop said. “I haven’t found a cop who supports Mosby.”

San Francisco police turned against District Attorney George Gascón, a former police chief, after he led a blue-ribbon panel investigating racial bias in the department in February 2016. The police union president claimed that he had heard Gascón make racist remarks at a dinner six years earlier. A union press release blamed an uptick in property crime on Gascón, who “instead of fighting a war on crime, is fighting a war on the police department.”

“She hit a brick wall when she tried to hold police accountable,” said Pete Dinelli, a political mainstay who over the years has served as a city councilor, deputy city attorney, assistant attorney general, chief deputy district attorney, state judge, and director of public safety. “We really worked hard to build that department and now it’s one of the worst in the country.”
“I think they believed they would keep hitting me in the stomach and at some point I would stop getting up,” Brandenburg said.
“It’s an us-versus-them dynamic,” said Greg Payne, a former city councilor and state house representative. “It is deeply embedded in the culture of that department.”
“They thought that they could intimidate me so that I would resign,” Brandenburg said. “Have you ever heard of a police department try to take over a DA’s office?”
“Police have viewed prosecutors as extensions of themselves,” Payne said. “And for them that means any wrongdoing in their department has to be swept under the rug by the DA. They went after you because you didn’t do what they wanted you to do.”
Brandenburg shook her head, raised her eyebrows, cracked an astonished smile, and said, “Can you believe how dangerous it would be if police departments start running district attorney’s offices?”

Justice Department Issues Joint Statement Of Principles With City Of Albuquerque, New Mexico, To Reform Albuquerque Police Department (Department of Justice, U.S. Attorney’s Office, District of New Mexico, July 24, 2014)

The Brutality of the Albuquerque Police Department
A federal review has found that officers routinely used unnecessary force against citizens.
(Atlantic)
 
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Surprised IT isn't on there. The users are always threatening me if the "system" goes down.

Well, if you IT guys would stop issuing users keyboards, users wouldn't have all those problems. It's you're own fault for putting yourself in a hostile environment.
 

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I don't advise a Google search on police(man) murder(ing) wife. More than expected of that to digest. High stress job, shift work, with limited home life. Yet divorce rates (15%) are lower than average American divorce rates (17%). Law enforcement agencies (LEOs) are being educated more in managing stress and relationships. (However, this was based on census records and if LEOs remarried at the time of the census, they were counted as married not divorced.)

Many police departments have instituted Crisis Intervention Units - or have had that as a requirement due to federal intervention on civil rights violations.
 
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