Offensive Coordinator Search

[BeauBenken]

Hasn’t been in college arena for some time. Would he be willing to recruit.

I guess Jeff Burris is no longer in the mix.

It's only been 3 seasons since he's been out. Not that long. He would be an interesting hire.

 

[Ndaccountant]

FYI, for those who don't remember, Todd Monken was a GA at ND during the Holtz years. Additionally, he coached with BK at GVSU, though it was brief. Either way, there is a connection there.

He also did a really good job turning around Southern Miss. Also, he talked bad about Kitchens, so he has that going for him too.

Honestly, I would consider this a really good move if it were to happen.

 

[Luckylucci]

FYI, for those who don't remember, Todd Monken was a GA at ND during the Holtz years. Additionally, he coached with BK at GVSU, though it was brief. Either way, there is a connection there.

He also did a really good job turning around Southern Miss. Also, he talked bad about Kitchens, so he has that going for him too.

Honestly, I would consider this a really good move if it were to happen.

I'm really starting to come around to this idea. Kind of fits the mold of an experienced offensive mind that wouldn't require an offensive 'install' as part of the hire. His offenses at Oklahoma State were pretty damn good.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I'm really starting to come around to this idea. Kind of fits the mold of an experienced offensive mind that wouldn't require an offensive 'install' as part of the hire. His offenses at Oklahoma State were pretty damn good.

Yea, just concerned that OSU OC is open now, right?

 

[Irish#1]

Reading this page, it sounds like we may be 2nd or 3rd choice for Moorhead? Is that right?

 

[Irish YJ]

A trillion V-bucks if anyone has time to give a decent breakdown of Moorhead's O vs Long's O. I've seen Moorhead's teams in the past (PSU/MSU), but didn't see an incredibly strong resemblance.

 

[IrishLax]

A trillion V-bucks if anyone has time to give a decent breakdown of Moorhead's O vs Long's O. I've seen Moorhead's teams in the past (PSU/MSU), but didn't see an incredibly strong resemblance.

I thought I had posted something earlier in this thread, but the TLDR version is that Moorhead's offense is very RPO heavy. And the offense we currently run is very RPO heavy. But one of the hallmarks of what Moorhead does is that he asks the QB to read the safety, and if the safety comes up to play the run you're expected to take a vertical shot. If the safety is playing the pass, they expect you to run it or throw it outside if the corner is in soft coverage.

Moorhead's offense is a lot like Chip Kelly's Oregon offense with more vertical shots. The emphasis is on generating explosive plays. You know in Madden when you'll throw it deep against single coverage three times in a row because you know one will be completed? That's Moorhead's logic. And that's a big departure from Chip Long's passing concepts which were mostly short-to-intermediate and all about trying to stay on schedule and move the sticks. We all saw how much better Book played once they changed up how they were calling the passing game.

 

[arrowryan]

Reading this page, it sounds like we may be 2nd or 3rd choice for Moorhead? Is that right?

Oregon should be announcing their OC hire soon. If they don't hire him, I think it would be us. Unless he takes a HC spot somewhere.

 

[Irish YJ]

I thought I had posted something earlier in this thread, but the TLDR version is that Moorhead's offense is very RPO heavy. And the offense we currently run is very RPO heavy. But one of the hallmarks of what Moorhead does is that he asks the QB to read the safety, and if the safety comes up to play the run you're expected to take a vertical shot. If the safety is playing the pass, they expect you to run it or throw it outside if the corner is in soft coverage.

Moorhead's offense is a lot like Chip Kelly's Oregon offense with more vertical shots. The emphasis is on generating explosive plays. You know in Madden when you'll throw it deep against single coverage three times in a row because you know one will be completed? That's Moorhead's logic. And that's a big departure from Chip Long's passing concepts which were mostly short-to-intermediate and all about trying to stay on schedule and move the sticks. We all saw how much better Book played once they changed up how they were calling the passing game.

Thanks Lax.
I just looked at the stats from MSU and PSU. Very different. Wondering how much having McSorley and Barkley had to do with his success at PSU. MSU stats were pretty meh.

 

[BeauBenken]

FYI, for those who don't remember, Todd Monken was a GA at ND during the Holtz years. Additionally, he coached with BK at GVSU, though it was brief. Either way, there is a connection there.

He also did a really good job turning around Southern Miss. Also, he talked bad about Kitchens, so he has that going for him too.

Honestly, I would consider this a really good move if it were to happen.

I'm really starting to come around to this idea. Kind of fits the mold of an experienced offensive mind that wouldn't require an offensive 'install' as part of the hire. His offenses at Oklahoma State were pretty damn good.

Yea, just concerned that OSU OC is open now, right?

Bill Haisten: As offensive coordinator Sean Gleeson apparently is gone, Todd Monken is a fascinating possibility at OSU

There exists a fascinating possibility at Oklahoma State.

The return of Todd Monken possibility.
...
On Thursday night, OSU’s Twitter community was fired up when members of the Cowboy football team tweeted images of the Canadian flag. Those tweets seemed to suggest or celebrate the return in 2020 of running back Chuba Hubbard, a Canada native who this season rushed for 2,094 yards.

Hubbard has the option of entering the NFL draft, so his presence in the 2020 Cowboy backfield would be huge for Mike Gundy’s program. Hubbard has not announced his decision.

On Friday, Gundy tweeted a Canadian flag image. So did OSU assistant coaches and administrators.

Stunningly, so did Monken.

Before Friday, he had not tweeted anything in more than 13 months.
...

 

[Ndaccountant]

Thanks Lax.
I just looked at the stats from MSU and PSU. Very different. Wondering how much having McSorley and Barkley had to do with his success at PSU. MSU stats were pretty meh.

Yea, I think he was a bad fit for MSU in the sense that Nick Fitzgerald was much more a runner than a thrower. So the RPO was less vertical.

In 2019, with Tommy Stevens (far cry from Trace) & true frosh Garrett Shrader their yards per pass attempt jumped by about 1.1 yards from 2018 with Fitz and completion percentage increased by nearly 8 points. Kylin Hill was also pretty dynamic (he was on my fantasy team) where he ended up 11 TD's, over 1,500 yards from scrimmage and ran for over 5.5 yards per clip.

Frankly, I think he did a good job at MSU given the QB's he inherited, along with the defense. His offense at MSU compared quite well to Mullen (without Dak).

2019 - Yard per play - 6.2
2018 - 6.2
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2017 - 5.5
2016 - 6.1
2015 (Dak) - 6.5
2014 (Dak) - 6.7
2013 (Dak) - 5.9
2012 - 5.9


I think we would all say that Mullen is darn good coach that did well at MSU. I think the above cements the view that JM's offense at MSU was still strong, given who he was coaching for and against.

 

[Irish YJ]

Yea, I think he was a bad fit for MSU in the sense that Nick Fitzgerald was much more a runner than a thrower. So the RPO was less vertical.

In 2019, with Tommy Stevens (far cry from Trace) & true frosh Garrett Shrader their yards per pass attempt jumped by about 1.1 yards from 2018 with Fitz and completion percentage increased by nearly 8 points. Kylin Hill was also pretty dynamic (he was on my fantasy team) where he ended up 11 TD's, over 1,500 yards from scrimmage and ran for over 5.5 yards per clip.

Frankly, I think he did a good job at MSU given the QB's he inherited, along with the defense. His offense at MSU compared quite well to Mullen (without Dak).

2019 - Yard per play - 6.2
2018 - 6.2
***************************
2017 - 5.5
2016 - 6.1
2015 (Dak) - 6.5
2014 (Dak) - 6.7
2013 (Dak) - 5.9
2012 - 5.9


I think we would all say that Mullen is darn good coach that did well at MSU. I think the above cements the view that JM's offense at MSU was still strong, given who he was coaching for and against.

Thanks. Going to look at his recruiting history and level of talent coaching.
So far, I'm still team Reesus but warming up a little.

 

[greyhammer90]

Thanks. Going to look at his recruiting history and level of talent coaching.
So far, I'm still team Reesus but warming up a little.

I'd be happy with Reesus but Moorhead would be legitimately earthshaking for my perception of this football program's ceiling.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'd be happy with Reesus but Moorhead would be legitimately earthshaking for my perception of this football program's ceiling.

So I'm struggling a bit. Take away Moorhead's two years with McSorley and Barkley, and the rest is small school/conference stuff, and things that are both up and down. I do like the thought of his O as described by Lax and others though. Not seeing a lot of recruiting wins for him at PSU and MSU.

 

[NDMIA]

First, idk where people are getting Moorhead would have us as a 3rd or 4th choice. I haven’t seen reported anywhere that Moorhead ranks ND as being an option behind a certain school. Basically I look at it this way.

Baylor HC
Washington State HC
Oregon OC
Notre Dame OC
Washington OC
Oklahoma State OC

Those would be the premier HC and OC jobs in America. If Moorhead is not a candidate for the HC jobs right now then he’s probably between working for Oregon and Notre Dame who could pay him a great deal and offer him two very big time programs. As far as where he’ll go I’m not too sure. He sure seems to fit the offensive approach of Oregon but he’s had tons of success in the Northeast and ND being a pseudo-Northeast school would have to seem very appealing to him. Also, he’s got a 3rd year starter in Ian Book vs a brand new QB in Oregon. We’ll find out in 48 hours anyway if we’re 1st, 2nd or something else on his list of preferred destinations cause it sounds like he’ll pick a destination soon enough.

Todd Monken also seems like an interesting candidate. He ran two top 3 offenses in the country while at Oklahoma State and just finished running the 18th, 18th, 11th and 22nd best offenses in the NFL the last 4 seasons. He’d be a smart guy to bring into the staff. The biggest question I have with NFL guys is their ability to recruit because I simply don’t know enough right now. I think ND will make a strong hire regardless of who it is and I also think to me it seems less likely that Tom Rees will be the OC next season. Maybe he’s the Co-OC but I think it’s the right decision seeing that he can just become the next OC in a few years when this current OC leaves (if he doesn’t leave for another school’s OC job).

 

[Wingman Ray]

Since when has Oregon anything been better or more preferred over a ND anything?

The only thing Oregon has over ND is hot chicks.

 

[BobbyMac]

Since when has Oregon anything been better or more preferred over a ND anything?

The only thing Oregon has over ND is hot chicks.

Since:

 

[tko]

Any vibes on when this will all be finalized?

 

[arrowryan]

The only tradition Oregon has is no tradition

 

[stlnd01]

Oregon can pay a boatload, has a hot shit up-and-coming head coach and is set up well to be the best program in the Pac-12, with a clear path to the playoff, for the next few years.
Notre Dame is Notre Dame, and Moorhead seems like the kind of guy to whom that will mean something.
It'd be an interesting decision.

 

[Irish#1]

First, idk where people are getting Moorhead would have us as a 3rd or 4th choice. I haven’t seen reported anywhere that Moorhead ranks ND as being an option behind a certain school. Basically I look at it this way.

Baylor HC
Washington State HC
Oregon OC
Notre Dame OC
Washington OC
Oklahoma State OC

Those would be the premier HC and OC jobs in America. If Moorhead is not a candidate for the HC jobs right now then he’s probably between working for Oregon and Notre Dame who could pay him a great deal and offer him two very big time programs. As far as where he’ll go I’m not too sure. He sure seems to fit the offensive approach of Oregon but he’s had tons of success in the Northeast and ND being a pseudo-Northeast school would have to seem very appealing to him. Also, he’s got a 3rd year starter in Ian Book vs a brand new QB in Oregon. We’ll find out in 48 hours anyway if we’re 1st, 2nd or something else on his list of preferred destinations cause it sounds like he’ll pick a destination soon enough.

I don't think anyone said we were 3rd or 4th on his list. I mentioned that it appeared we were his second or third choice from what I've read in this thread and you basically reinforced that in your post.

No disrespect, but IMO, OC at Oregon is not a better gig than OC at ND. Oregon had a good program while Kelly was there, but overall, history, success, exposure and recognition in no way compares to ND's. ND is on national TV pretty much every game and many are in prime time. What's the first thing anyone thinks when you mention Oregon? Football power or uni's?

 

[General Colon Bowel]

Any vibes on when this will all be finalized?

Moorhead is at Oregon today to interview for the open OC position. I imagine if he were interested in the ND position he would meet with BK in the next week or so, and then make a decision (unless he is getting any interest in the two recently vacated power 5 HC gigs).

I'm interested to know what people's preference between Monken and Moorhead would be if both wanted the job?

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Oregon can pay a boatload, has a hot shit up-and-coming head coach and is set up well to be the best program in the Pac-12, with a clear path to the playoff, for the next few years.
Notre Dame is Notre Dame, and Moorhead seems like the kind of guy to whom that will mean something.
It'd be an interesting decision.

Moorhead to Oregon sounds as strange as Moorhead to Miss St did. It should help that he is a Catholic guy from Pittsburgh and has done well at strong academic schools.

 

[NDohio]

Moorhead is at Oregon today to interview for the open OC position. I imagine if he were interested in the ND position he would meet with BK in the next week or so, and then make a decision (unless he is getting any interest in the two recently vacated power 5 HC gigs).

I'm interested to know what people's preference between Monken and Moorhead would be if both wanted the job?

I'm with YJ in that I am not completely sold on Moorhead. His good 2 years at PSU were spectacular, but I have concerns about his ability to repeat that. He was pretty underwhelming at MSU.

Monken seems like a better hire to me.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Moorhead is at Oregon today to interview for the open OC position. I imagine if he were interested in the ND position he would meet with BK in the next week or so, and then make a decision (unless he is getting any interest in the two recently vacated power 5 HC gigs).

I'm interested to know what people's preference between Monken and Moorhead would be if both wanted the job?

Oregon is going to give him carte blanche with the offensive scheme so I bet, all else being equal and assuming he has the choice, that Moorhead picks Oregon over ND.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Oregon is going to give him carte blanche with the offensive scheme so I bet, all else being equal and assuming he has the choice, that Moorhead picks Oregon over ND.

I think he is a rental either way. The short term attractiveness of Oregon is 100% on which QB they bring in via transfer.

Who knows that he is thinking, but seems like a good spot to be in if he is picking between those two spots.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I think he is a rental either way. The short term attractiveness of Oregon is 100% on which QB they bring in via transfer.

Who knows that he is thinking, but seems like a good spot to be in if he is picking between those two spots.

Paging Phil Jurko...

 

[IrishLax]

Paging Phil Jurko...

That'd be pretty wild lol... people here would lose their minds. Personally, I think the Wake QB could be a good fit at Oregon, too.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Paging Phil Jurko...

No offense but on what basis have you made your mind up that PJ is anything more than a could have been but isnt? The kid was good in HS. Maybe his competition sucked. Who knows? All we know is that he didnt develop to lead a D1 team.

As others have stated, I seriously doubt the coaches benched a superior player to play an inferior player just because the guy has an acne problem. If the guy was the guy, he would have played. No coach sabotages his program for a starter who wont have anything to do with the program in a year or so.

 

[SoIll]

That'd be pretty wild lol... people here would lose their minds. Personally, I think the Wake QB could be a good fit at Oregon, too.

Georgia. No?