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Ideally, I would like for something like that to happen on O. ND should be strong again next year, but it will take some luck to be top 4 IMO. So, do you hire Rees to keep 2020 as strong as possible, or do you go after someone that will be able to do what they want with the offense, just like Elko was able to do with the D? Personally, I prefer going after the strongest candidate and letting them get after it.

It's a lot easier to hire the strongest available coordinator and give him free rein on that side of the ball when you're replacing a guy like Van Gorder whose three year tenure was an unmitigated disaster. Long's tenure was pretty successful (our OFEI was 13th, 29th and 24th), and we're returning a 3rd year starter that flourished in his system. I don't think you can blame Kelly for being hesitant to blow things up here.
 

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It's a lot easier to hire the strongest available coordinator and give him free rein on that side of the ball when you're replacing a guy like Van Gorder whose three year tenure was an unmitigated disaster. Long's tenure was pretty successful (our OFEI was 13th, 29th and 24th), and we're returning a 3rd year starter that flourished in his system. I don't think you can blame Kelly for being hesitant to blow things up here.

Oh I'm pretty sure some people can and do blame Kelly for just about anything.

Myself I'd go get Moorhead. Hope he's wise enough to work with Book's strengths instead of forcing a round peg into a square hole, and build for the future, with the idea of grooming Rees to take over when he moves on in a year or two.
But I'd also understand if Moorhead doesn't necessarily want that sort of situation, especially with - as the accountant points out - no real room to bring in his own assistants on offense.
 

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It's a lot easier to hire the strongest available coordinator and give him free rein on that side of the ball when you're replacing a guy like Van Gorder whose three year tenure was an unmitigated disaster. Long's tenure was pretty successful (our OFEI was 13th, 29th and 24th), and we're returning a 3rd year starter that flourished in his system. I don't think you can blame Kelly for being hesitant to blow things up here.

Blow things up is a bit dramatic.

Prior to Long, here is what ND was:

2016 - 44
2015 - 8
2014 - 25
2013 - 37
2012 - 25
2011 - 26
2010 - 61

The average from 2011 to 2015 was 24th (2016 was a clear outlier, 2010 was significant with the change in coaching and true frosh Tommy taking the show), Long's average was 22. Hardly a significant difference.

It's clear though that to with a National Title, you need a top offense. 13th, 29th, and 24th is good, but far from great. But teams like Clemson (21,7,5), UGA (6,3, 28), Oklahoma (1,1,4), Ohio State (4,5,3) & Bama (12,2,1) have all finished in the top 10 consistently. Trying to not rock the boat at the moment seems a bit short sighted considering how far away we are from the next tier of teams.
 
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You do realize that of the offensive coaches, only the QB coach and OL coach were 'Kelly' guys. Our RB coach (who he made Co-OC for bowl prep), WR coach, TE/OC coach were all outside of the Kelly hierarchy. This narrative that we have this abundance of buddies, currently on staff, just isn't true.

At the end of the regular season, we had 10 coaches on staff (correct me if I'm wrong). OC/TE, WR, RB, OL, QB. Defense was DC/LB, CB, S, DL and ST's. Of those 10, only 3 of those guys could possible be called, Kelly guys.

For the record, I’ve been venturing onto this site for many years. To gain insight, watch the shenanigans, and to gauge whether or not many of you feel the same as I do. I’ve also over the years looked forward to what many of the members have had to say including you. I’m only giving a little perspective because though I may be new to you, not many of you are new to me. I respect what a lot of you have to say and do not intend to be disrespectful, and not too argumentative.

In response to you, I do not think there is a narrative, but, I know what I’ve seen and lived through the last several years of his coaching hires. I know there’s not many left. But, he has brought along several of his co workers since the beginning. And yes, after 11 years of ups and downs, I think everything is under scrutiny. Only until the last 3 years have things taken an upward trend with the program. I’m cautiously optimistic that it will turn into what we all want. I only mention the buddy system to add a different perspective. I also admit to being somewhat thrilled when Long was hired because I wanted a toughness that I thought he would be able to bring. I’m not hurt that he’s gone, just curious about why. Nothing more
 

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Not sure I understand. People complain about BK for bringing in his guys as a head coach.... and then people turn around and say it is not right for an OC NOT to be able to bring in his guys. Something seems wrong with that.
 

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Not sure I understand. People complain about BK for bringing in his guys as a head coach.... and then people turn around and say it is not right for an OC NOT to be able to bring in his guys. Something seems wrong with that.

I am not saying it isn't right, just that the circumstance could be a deterrent to top OC talent.
 

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For the record, I’ve been venturing onto this site for many years. To gain insight, watch the shenanigans, and to gauge whether or not many of you feel the same as I do. I’ve also over the years looked forward to what many of the members have had to say including you. I’m only giving a little perspective because though I may be new to you, not many of you are new to me. I respect what a lot of you have to say and do not intend to be disrespectful, and not too argumentative.

In response to you, I do not think there is a narrative, but, I know what I’ve seen and lived through the last several years of his coaching hires. I know there’s not many left. But, he has brought along several of his co workers since the beginning. And yes, after 11 years of ups and downs, I think everything is under scrutiny. Only until the last 3 years have things taken an upward trend with the program. I’m cautiously optimistic that it will turn into what we all want. I only mention the buddy system to add a different perspective. I also admit to being somewhat thrilled when Long was hired because I wanted a toughness that I thought he would be able to bring. I’m not hurt that he’s gone, just curious about why. Nothing more

Lucky was simply pointing out that the BK buddy system doesn't exist. You're right, it did when he arrived, but he's been making staff changes that don't include his buddies for several years. Is Quinn a good Oline coach? I'm not sure we really know given the stories about Long. We need to see what happens with the upcoming season to know.


Not sure I understand. People complain about BK for bringing in his guys as a head coach.... and then people turn around and say it is not right for an OC NOT to be able to bring in his guys. Something seems wrong with that.

Don't try to bring logic into this discussion.
 

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BK is winning games so people now have to start finding the small stuff to bitch about.

Chip Long was not that great of an OC. He turned out to be hindering Book's growth and development; look at Book's stats the last 5 games of the season when Long wasn't calling plays compared to the rest of the season. Our offense always underperformed against good defenses. And Miles Boykin said the Chip Long was the reason he didn't come back for another year.

Our o-line lost the entire starting right side due to injury (which also happened to be the two best o-linemen) and they were breaking in a brand new center. Can we give Quinn a break? PFF rated Notre Dame as the 13th best o-line, so they weren't doing that bad. Lets see how Quinn's o-line performs when the OC doesn't hate him and was probably out to get him. Plus he's recruiting his butt off.
 

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With Oregon wrapping up it's search before the weekend, if Moorhead doesn't go to Eugene then it's probably a done deal, right?
 

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With Oregon wrapping up it's search before the weekend, if Moorhead doesn't go to Eugene then it's probably a done deal, right?

Hilariously the only other obstacle I can think of is if WSU wanted to hire Moorhead. Wouldn't be a crazy hire from WSU's perspective.
 

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Hilariously the only other obstacle I can think of is if WSU wanted to hire Moorhead. Wouldn't be a crazy hire from WSU's perspective.

The Pirate would shat his drawls when Moorhead told him how much he wanted his QB to NOT throw it.

Oops... didn't see the Pirate just got the MSU job
 
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Another interesting name on Loy's list is Todd Monken. Not sure he should take too much blame for the disaster that was the Cleveland Browns. Would be interested in some of our Browns fans opinion of him.
 

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Another interesting name on Loy's list is Todd Monken. Not sure he should take too much blame for the disaster that was the Cleveland Browns. Would be interested in some of our Browns fans opinion of him.

All I know is he's used to losing.
 

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Where does he say that? I don't see anything indicating that ND has offered him the job.

it was in the comments. I can no longer find it. I guess he deleted it or edited the post. He does go on to say this..

"Moorhead is absolutely in play there, but It’s not some slam dunk. ND is in the mix. The longer it goes, the better for ND."

"Moorhead is the preferred hire but if not him, Denbrock would be welcomed back in my opinion."


and now he takes back his orginial post that listed Philbin and Denbrock amongst others and now names these guys 30 min later..

Things move quickly in this business, lol.

Updated names to know as of today per my sources:

Offensive Coordinator
Joe Moorhead (former Miss. St. HC)
Todd Monken (Browns OC)
Tommy Rees

Cornerbacks
Christian Parker (Packers)
Daronte Jones (Bengals)
Mike Mickens (Cincinnati)


sh!t is funny
 

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it was in the comments. I can no longer find it. I guess he deleted it or edited the post. He does go on to say this..

"Moorhead is absolutely in play there, but It’s not some slam dunk. ND is in the mix. The longer it goes, the better for ND."

"Moorhead is the preferred hire but if not him, Denbrock would be welcomed back in my opinion."

and now he takes back his first post and names these names 30 min later..

Things move quickly in this business, lol.

Updated names to know as of today per my sources:

Offensive Coordinator
Joe Moorhead (former Miss. St. HC)
Todd Monken (Browns OC)
Tommy Rees

Cornerbacks
Christian Parker (Packers)
Daronte Jones (Bengals)
Mike Mickens (Cincinnati)


shit is funny

I figured it was an edit job.
 

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Loy believes Christian Parker will be the defensive hire. They talked about him on a recent II podcast; they said that Elko and Lea were fans of Parker's work when he was an analyst in 2017. Here is the bio from the Packers website.

Christian Parker enters his first season as a Packers’ defensive quality control coach in 2019, having been named to the position on Feb. 1, 2019. He joins the Packers after working as a defensive analyst at Texas A&M last season.
In his current role in Green Bay, Parker will work closely with defensive coordinator Mike Pettine with a focus on coaching the secondary in addition to breaking down opponent game film and analyzing their offensive tendencies, developing the playbook, compiling team and player reports and coordinating the opponent scout team.
As a defensive analyst for Texas A&M in 2018, Parker worked primarily with the secondary. He helped develop DB Donovan Wilson, a sixth-round pick of the Dallas Cowboys in 2019 who totaled 66 tackles (37 solo), two sacks and two interceptions in 2018. As a unit, the Aggie defense ranked No. 3 nationally in rushing defense, No. 9 in third-down defense and No. 15 in red-zone defense.
Prior to working at Texas A&M, Parker worked as the cornerbacks coach at William & Mary in the spring of 2017. During the 2017 season, he served as a defensive analyst for Notre Dame, working mainly with the secondary. Parker helped mentor CB Julian Love, who earned second-team All-America honors from Sports Illustrated after posting 68 tackles (45 solo), three INTs and a school-record 20 pass breakups. The Irish also ranked No. 1 in the FBS in 40-yard completions allowed (one) and 50-yard completions allowed (zero) and No. 2 in 30-yard completions allowed (nine).
From 2015-16, Parker coached at Norfolk State, first as safeties coach (2015) and then as defensive backs coach (2016). Additionally, he served as the recruiting coordinator both seasons. Parker was a 2017 AFCA/NCAA 30 Under 30 Coaches Leadership Institute selection after he helped the Spartans rank among the top 10 nationally in interceptions (18), pass-efficiency defense (106.9) and passing yards allowed (171.1 ypg) in 2016. He also helped a pair of defensive backs, Sandy Chapman and Brandon Walker, earn All-Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference honors. Chapman ranked second in the league in interceptions (five) and third in passes defensed (12), while Walker finished third on the team with a career-high 72 tackles.
Parker’s recruiting efforts were also recognized with www.boxtorow.com ranking both of his recruiting classes in the top four among all Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs). Norfolk State’s 2016 class ranked as the best in the MEAC and third among HBCUs, while the 2017 class ranked second and fourth, respectively.
Prior to coaching at Norfolk State, Parker worked at Virginia State, serving as cornerbacks coach in 2013 and secondary coach in 2014. Virginia State’s defense ranked in the top 20 of Division II in total defense in both 2013 (No. 12) and 2014 (No. 20). Also in 2014, the Trojans led the Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association and ranked No. 12 nationally with 18 INTs and ranked No. 17 in pass defense (174.2 ypg). He coached an All-CIAA first-team performer in both of his years with the Trojans, mentoring DB Sean Smith in 2013 and DB Darion Thomas in 2014.
Parker played wide receiver and cornerback at the University of Richmond and was a member of Colonial Athletic Association championship teams in 2009 and 2012. He also ran track and graduated in 2013 with a degree in political science.
 

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A Moorehead hire would make PJ happy, but I can't see that making much of the rest of the offense too happy given the scheme they were recruited to play in...
 

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Hilariously the only other obstacle I can think of is if WSU wanted to hire Moorhead. Wouldn't be a crazy hire from WSU's perspective.

Baylor is also open. Though that would seem less likely for Moorhead than Wazzu.
 

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A Moorehead hire would make PJ happy, but I can't see that making much of the rest of the offense too happy given the scheme they were recruited to play in...

I don't get the impression it would be a radical change in scheme. Still lots of RPO, more emphasis on explosive plays, less stupidity with blocking scheme. What kid is gonna be upset to be told, "We'll mostly be utilizing the same principles, but with more highlight reel plays"?
 

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A Moorehead hire would make PJ happy, but I can't see that making much of the rest of the offense too happy given the scheme they were recruited to play in...

I think the players would be pumped because 1. players have loved him at all his stops and 2. they know how explosive his offense can be. Big plays and points are fun. Moorhead is an experienced and intelligent coach. He can fit players into a scheme or fit his scheme to players, it's not his first rodeo.
 

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Another interesting name on Loy's list is Todd Monken. Not sure he should take too much blame for the disaster that was the Cleveland Browns. Would be interested in some of our Browns fans opinion of him.

Hasn’t been in college arena for some time. Would he be willing to recruit.

I guess Jeff Burris is no longer in the mix.
 

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Hasn’t been in college arena for some time. Would he be willing to recruit.

I guess Jeff Burris is no longer in the mix.

I don't know about his individual recruiting prowess, but his teams brought in some good offensive classes while OC at Oklahoma State and some good QBs and WRs while passing game coordinator/WR coach at LSU.

I think he'd be a really strong hire if he's interested. His offenses scored 45+ both years he was OC at Okie St. One year he did it with Weeden and Justin Blackmom, but then the next year he did it while cycling through 3 QBs and without any real NFL talent.
 
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