Oct 10 | Florida State

[Irish#1]

It's purely a judgment call. If you have enough cleared people to play the game then you are expected to play. I don't think we will see a situation where somebody tries to cancel and the other school protests, but it's hypothetically possible.

Given the way FSU has looked, we don't need the guys being quarantined.

 

[notredomer23]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30002596/notre-dame-football-coach-brian-kelly-targets-coronavirus-outbreak-pregame-meal-vomiting-player

A lot of info in here! Kelly expects 90% of the roster to be available to practice by Saturday.

The antigen tests on the sideline feel pointless. Test everyday that there are football activities.

 

[Irish YJ]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30002596/notre-dame-football-coach-brian-kelly-targets-coronavirus-outbreak-pregame-meal-vomiting-player

A lot of info in here! Kelly expects 90% of the roster to be available to practice by Saturday.

thanks.

not sure I buy the two reasons.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Agreed. Matt at ISD saying last week that players are still seeing friends, family after the games, and having girls over made me think this really was just an inevitability...

 

[EvilleIrish]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30002596/notre-dame-football-coach-brian-kelly-targets-coronavirus-outbreak-pregame-meal-vomiting-player

A lot of info in here! Kelly expects 90% of the roster to be available to practice by Saturday.

The antigen tests on the sideline feel pointless. Test everyday that there are football activities.

If 90% are ready by Saturday, which I'm highly skeptical of, then FSU should be played.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

If 90% are ready by Saturday, which I'm highly skeptical of, then FSU should be played.

If BK is confident I am too. Stay disciplined, this should be a solid wake up call for the players. Either follow protocol or risk the season.

What BK alluded to at the end is really important: USF has yet to report positive cases after ND had this outbreak at some point leading up to the game, which bodes really well for the sport itself. It appears unlikely opposing players are exposed to each other for long enough throughout the game to risk transmitting it. That's big.

 

[Irish YJ]

If BK is confident I am too. Stay disciplined, this should be a solid wake up call for the players. Either follow protocol or risk the season.

What BK alluded to at the end is really important: USF has yet to report positive cases after ND had this outbreak at some point leading up to the game, which bodes really well for the sport itself. It appears unlikely opposing players are exposed to each other for long enough throughout the game to risk transmitting it. That's big.

Just means you can wrestle with an opposing line for 3 hours and be fine, but a 30 minute booty call with a rona chick can take down half a team.

 

[Irish#1]

Kelly reported that the spread came due to their pregame meal. They also had one player toss their cookies on the sideline due to dehydration which may also contributed to the spread.

Pregame meals will now be held in convention center rooms where the team can be spread out.

From II

“Throughout our entire time together, we had not had one meal where we sat down together,” Kelly said, according to ESPN. “Everything was grab and go. We get into our game situation where we have pregame meal together, and that cost us. Big. We had somebody who was asymptomatic, and it spread like wildfire throughout our meeting area where we were eating and then it got guys in contact tracing.”

 

[ResLife Hero]

If BK is confident I am too. Stay disciplined, this should be a solid wake up call for the players. Either follow protocol or risk the season.

What BK alluded to at the end is really important: USF has yet to report positive cases after ND had this outbreak at some point leading up to the game, which bodes really well for the sport itself. It appears unlikely opposing players are exposed to each other for long enough throughout the game to risk transmitting it. That's big.

Well, take that with a grain of salt. They just aren't reporting them:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jeff Scott says <a href="https://twitter.com/USFFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@USFFootball</a> will have “one or more” players out this week for COVID-related reasons</p>— Joey Knight (@TBTimes_Bulls) <a href="https://twitter.com/TBTimes_Bulls/status/1310973468683403267?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 29, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[NDBoiler]

If BK is confident I am too. Stay disciplined, this should be a solid wake up call for the players. Either follow protocol or risk the season.

What BK alluded to at the end is really important: USF has yet to report positive cases after ND had this outbreak at some point leading up to the game, which bodes really well for the sport itself. It appears unlikely opposing players are exposed to each other for long enough throughout the game to risk transmitting it. That's big.

I know that’s logical and all, but we’re also talking about college kids. I don’t think there’s any way you can reasonably expect them to fully avoid parties/girls/etc. That’s asking for too much of a mature thought process for the average 18-22 year old.

 

[Irish#1]

Back to practice today. Reporting that 90% of the team should be back on Saturday. Also looking into testing during games for anyone that might show any symptom(s).

 

[SoIll]

WE'RE BACK BABY!

 

[greyhammer90]

I know that’s logical and all, but we’re also talking about college kids. I don’t think there’s any way you can reasonably expect them to fully avoid parties/girls/etc. That’s asking for too much of a mature thought process for the average 18-22 year old.

I really hate this mindset that I'm seeing everywhere from talking heads. Being 19 means that you're young, but it doesn't mean you're dumb or selfish as a rule. Being young means that you are expected to be confused about complex systems you don't have experience with, or life issues with shades of gray that only reveal themselves with time. Being young doesn't mean that you can't be expected to follow simple commands from a authority figure or make obvious sacrifices for the greater good of the group.

A 19-22 year old on the football team who is told not to go out drinking or party should be expected to do it. If they don't, its because they are selfish, not because they shouldn't have been expected to handle it.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

I really hate this mindset that I'm seeing everywhere from talking heads. Being 19 means that you're young, but it doesn't mean you're dumb or selfish as a rule. Being young means that you are expected to be confused about complex systems you don't have experience with, or life issues with shades of gray that only reveal themselves with time. Being young doesn't mean that you can't be expected to follow simple commands from a authority figure or make obvious sacrifices for the greater good of the group.

A 19-22 year old on the football team who is told not to go out drinking or party should be expected to do it. If they don't, its because they are selfish, not because they shouldn't have been expected to handle it.

LOL.

This is just so inaccurate.

 

[Irish#1]

I really hate this mindset that I'm seeing everywhere from talking heads. Being 19 means that you're young, but it doesn't mean you're dumb or selfish as a rule. Being young means that you are expected to be confused about complex systems you don't have experience with, or life issues with shades of gray that only reveal themselves with time. Being young doesn't mean that you can't be expected to follow simple commands from a authority figure or make obvious sacrifices for the greater good of the group.

A 19-22 year old on the football team who is told not to go out drinking or party should be expected to do it. If they don't, its because they are selfish, not because they shouldn't have been expected to handle it.

I agree that being 19 doesn't mean you're dumb or selfish as a rule, but emotions and hormones are pretty strong at that age.

 

[greyhammer90]

I agree that being 19 doesn't mean you're dumb or selfish as a rule, but emotions and hormones are pretty strong at that age.

I'm just keeping it real. I remember consistently hating it when college kids were given passes on stuff when I started posting here and was at that age, because it was condescending. I don't see why I should suddenly start bringing out the kiddie gloves now.

 

[NDBoiler]

I really hate this mindset that I'm seeing everywhere from talking heads. Being 19 means that you're young, but it doesn't mean you're dumb or selfish as a rule. Being young means that you are expected to be confused about complex systems you don't have experience with, or life issues with shades of gray that only reveal themselves with time. Being young doesn't mean that you can't be expected to follow simple commands from a authority figure or make obvious sacrifices for the greater good of the group.

A 19-22 year old on the football team who is told not to go out drinking or party should be expected to do it. If they don't, its because they are selfish, not because they shouldn't have been expected to handle it.

My intent was not to be condescending or anything derogatory to college kids. I’m just saying that an 18-22 year old brain is scientifically known to not fully developed when it comes to making the best long term/responsible decisions, so its somewhat natural for that to happen. I was also a college kid too and made all kinds of less than smart decisions, and If I was in the players position, I’d probably make some poor decisions too.

 

[Wingman Ray]

Ultimately, age shouldnt make a difference if it is impacting people's lives.

It doesnt matter if you are 15, 19, 25, 35 or 70. If your actions impact others, then it is on you and you dont have an excuse. You cant say that you should be given a mulligan because you're a kid. Being a kid doesnt give a get out of jail free card to do whatever stupid thing you want to do.

 

[zelezo vlk]

I'm with grey on this, if you're not willing to give up going out and partying to potentially save your season from being canceled, then you're just an immature selfish asshole. If you don't want to accept the additional restrictions put on you due to a pandemic, then opt out.

 

[NDBoiler]

Ultimately, age shouldnt make a difference if it is impacting people's lives.

It doesnt matter if you are 15, 19, 25, 35 or 70. If your actions impact others, then it is on you and you dont have an excuse. You cant say that you should be given a mulligan because you're a kid. Being a kid doesnt give a get out of jail free card to do whatever stupid thing you want to do.

This is certainly reasonable, but again it goes back to expectations. Should we expect that 100% of the players will be fully compliant and be thinking about the big picture impact of their decisions, and then get upset when they all don’t? I think that thought process is a bit naive and will put you in a position to be caught with your pants down a little (like having a team meal without social distancing capabilities). Whether it’s right or wrong responsibility wise for the players to make these decisions, I also see some responsibility on behalf of the staff to not anticipate that might occur.( assuming that was the case).

 

[NDRock]

This is certainly reasonable, but again it goes back to expectations. Should we expect that 100% of the players will be fully compliant and be thinking about the big picture impact of their decisions, and then get upset when they all don’t? I think that thought process is a bit naive and will put you in a position to be caught with your pants down a little (like having a team meal without social distancing capabilities). Whether it’s right or wrong responsibility wise for the players to make these decisions, I also see some responsibility on behalf of the staff to not anticipate that might occur.( assuming that was the case).

Agree. Heck the President of the school can't even follow his own guidelines. Good luck getting 100% compliance with everyone involved in the football program.

 

[Wingman Ray]

But I also feel that the players need to be held accountable. Their actions do not just impact their safety, but the safety of others. What if they get Covid by irresponsible actions and then give it to someone in the department who doesnt suspect who then gives it to an elderly family member. All because some kid wanted to get laid.

I feel we so easily give players yard passes because they are football players. We forget these kids are getting a $200k education that the vast, vast majority of them would never come close to be getting if they didnt run, catch and tackle as they do. That doesnt mean they should be given a yard pass on the ideology of consideration for others and self accountability.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

I'm with grey on this, if you're not willing to give up going out and partying to potentially save your season from being canceled, then you're just an immature selfish asshole. If you don't want to accept the additional restrictions put on you due to a pandemic, then opt out.

Well, I think there's a difference between giving up partying and the other things. I gave up partying during my track seasons. But giving up all other social contact is asking a lot.

(But the fact that some portion of you roster won't even stop partying is foreseeable, yeah).

 

[dad4aa]

I'm just keeping it real. I remember consistently hating it when college kids were given passes on stuff when I started posting here and was at that age, because it was condescending. I don't see why I should suddenly start bringing out the kiddie gloves now.

I'm with grey on this, if you're not willing to give up going out and partying to potentially save your season from being canceled, then you're just an immature selfish asshole. If you don't want to accept the additional restrictions put on you due to a pandemic, then opt out.

This is where I am at as well. Many of them have been working toward this goal of playing college football since middle school. I don’t look at most of them as being the selfish immature 19–22 year-old. Many of them sacrificed going out partying so they could hit the gym, work on their craft, go to summer camps instead of just enjoying the beach, Etc. Now they’re in college with the opportunity to play, I believe most of them will follow the rules and do their best to stay safe and healthy so the season can progress. And if they can’t follow the rules, then like zelezo said, opt out.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly says Kevin Austin is “on track to compete against Florida State,” although it’s unclear what kind of participation that will yield.<br><br>Kyle Hamilton and Ben Skowronek are fully cleared.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1311700154030981123?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> head athletic trainer Rob Hunt: <br>Currently, 18 players in isolation, 11 players in quarantine.<br><br>9 players have recently been released & 14 more are expected to be released in next two days.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1311695135739174912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to Notre Dame head trainer Rob Hunt, the football program had zero new positive tests on Monday and zero new positive tests on Wednesday.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1311694704984104961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> head athletic trainer Rob Hunt: <br>Currently, 18 players in isolation, 11 players in quarantine.<br><br>9 players have recently been released & 14 more are expected to be released in next two days.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1311695135739174912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to Notre Dame head trainer Rob Hunt, the football program had zero new positive tests on Monday and zero new positive tests on Wednesday.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1311694704984104961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Awesome news!

 

[yankeehater]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a> head athletic trainer Rob Hunt: <br>Currently, 18 players in isolation, 11 players in quarantine.<br><br>9 players have recently been released & 14 more are expected to be released in next two days.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1311695135739174912?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to Notre Dame head trainer Rob Hunt, the football program had zero new positive tests on Monday and zero new positive tests on Wednesday.</p>— Pete Sampson (@PeteSampson_) <a href="https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/1311694704984104961?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Please help me understand the process. So if players are being tested why do they need to be isolated for 14-21 days. Wouldn't multiple negative tests over a period of days clear the player/players? I know someone going through the process who is negative yet cannot participate in football related activities for 14 days because the teammate/roommate contracted the virus.

 

[BeauBenken]

Please help me understand the process. So if players are being tested why do they need to be isolated for 14-21 days. Wouldn't multiple negative tests over a period of days clear the player/players? I know someone going through the process who is negative yet cannot participate in football related activities for 14 days because the teammate/roommate contracted the virus.

Because they could have caught Covid-19, but they are not yet showing symptoms and/or shedding the virus enough yet for it to be picked up via some of the tests.

 

[IrishLax]

Please help me understand the process. So if players are being tested why do they need to be isolated for 14-21 days. Wouldn't multiple negative tests over a period of days clear the player/players? I know someone going through the process who is negative yet cannot participate in football related activities for 14 days because the teammate/roommate contracted the virus.

It's because some studies have shown an incubation period of up to 14 days with no symptoms or positive test results in the interim. From CDC:

Typically, a person develops symptoms 5 days after being infected, but symptoms can appear as early as 2 days after infection or as late as 14 days after infection, and the time range can vary.

The Big Ten is doing 21 day contact tracing for no earthly reason except that they want to be haughty dipshits that pretend to care more about "safety" than other conferences. In reality, for the vast majority of people, if it's been a week and you don't have symptoms or a positive test you're in the clear. But most everywhere does 14 days as the default to err on the side of caution.