Nov 25 | Stanford

[TheSunIsRising]

My opinion is that I have no opinion. Stanford use to be ND's doormat years ago but David Shaw changed all of that. I'm afraid that Kelly will pick a losing game plan for ND and Stanford will run all over the Irish. I'm also wondering if Kelly took back calling the plays because of late, the play calling has been awful. My last comment will be that ND will never be an elite team again until three things happen.

(1) Retire the head priest that runs the school, he's a scholar and knows nothing about
football.

(2) Fire Swarbucks, he's an egg-headed lawyer whose more of a politician than an AD.

(3) Send Brian Kelly out on the first & fastest train leaving Southbend.

Did you regularly call Slammin' Sammy when you lived in Odessa?

"There's too much learnin' going on at that school"

 

[TheSunIsRising]

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/not...29-navy-post-game-thoughts-2.html#post1956879

My humble opinion is that Notre Dame will never again be an elite football program. You have a priest who is a scholar running the joint, an educated lawyer type egghead as AD and a bungular for a coach. Get rid of the afrementioned (3) bums and maybe the football team/program has a chance of being elite again!

My opinion is that I have no opinion. Stanford use to be ND's doormat years ago but David Shaw changed all of that. I'm afraid that Kelly will pick a losing game plan for ND and Stanford will run all over the Irish. I'm also wondering if Kelly took back calling the plays because of late, the play calling has been awful. My last comment will be that ND will never be an elite team again until three things happen.

(1) Retire the head priest that runs the school, he's a scholar and knows nothing about
football.

(2) Fire Swarbucks, he's an egg-headed lawyer whose more of a politician than an AD.

(3) Send Brian Kelly out on the first & fastest train leaving Southbend.

oh, and...

"Heard you the first time (Ike)"

 

[irishtrain]

Stanford after Navy was circled on my schedule the minute I saw it. You want a soft opponent at home the week after the Middies. Not crammed into a 5 hour flight to fight those roid boys.

I also call BS on Kelly claiming a few weeks ago the team was getting stronger - not just maintaining. Sure don't look it.

I'm going to defend these guys here on 3 counts-play a hot team in a hot humid environment come home and play the marines in a slugfest then go to Palo Alto for what you know is going to be a bloodbath-that's a %^%%$#@ schedule that I'd love to see ALABAMA take on. If they win this game they deserve a &^%%$(& credit for a spectacular season. Don't tax them too much this week except in the weight room and prepare mentally for one last ball game. They can beat Stanford easily if Adams is not used up or Jones can pick it up again and Wimbush can get some time to throw the ball. I think they win this game. Wimbush is the key not to shoulder all the load but to just make the routine throw and get out and run when he sees the opportunity. Work on his mechanics over the summer for this game just let him go. This game has turned out to be one of the most important games for the program in a while.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

Nov 25 | Stanford

Wake did beat NCSt, last week. That was mildly shocking, to me.

What doesnt shock me is Doeren accusing Wake of putting thumbtacks on their lineman jerseys, and spreading broken glass in the backfield anytime NCST had the ball.

 

[BGIF]

FEI Projects ND 33-26

FEI Projects ND 33-26

BCF Toys - 2017 Game Projections

PWL   Projected Winner Projected Loser	Proj	DW	SW	MW	NW	NL	ML	SL	DL
.666	Notre Dame	 Stanford	33-26	.143	.190	.189	.144	.221	.060	.036	.016

 

[koonja]

I heard Kelly has never won at Stanford. Kind of crazy. He needs to change that this week. I know we're all on an after-the-playoffs-slump, but this is secretly a massive game for ND.

NY6 bowl, remaining in the top ~7, finishing higher in the rankings = higher pre-season next year, and recruiting California is easier when you go 2-0 vs. California.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

I heard Kelly has never won at Stanford. Kind of crazy. He needs to change that this week. I know we're all on an after-the-playoffs-slump, but this is secretly a massive game for ND.

NY6 bowl, remaining in the top ~7, finishing higher in the rankings = higher pre-season next year, and recruiting California is easier when you go 2-0 vs. California.

Secretly to who?

 

[koonja]

Secretly to who?

The general public. No one outside of ND die hards care about this game this weekend. There are too many bigger games going on.

 

[IrishLax]

Secretly to who?

I think Koon is right, it's not getting the talk of other big games this year. Not even NC State level hype. When in actuality, this game is basically the difference between a "good" season (beating all our rivals, winning 10 games, finishing top 10, going to NY6 major bowl) and a "barely acceptable" season -- losing to maybe the most important team for us to beat regularly from a recruiting standpoint, winning 9 games, finishing top 25, not going to a major bowl.

I honestly feel like this season is probably a failure in my book if we don't win this game.

 

[Free Manera]

I think Koon is right, it's not getting the talk of other big games this year. Not even NC State level hype. When in actuality, this game is basically the difference between a "good" season (beating all our rivals, winning 10 games, finishing top 10, going to NY6 major bowl) and a "barely acceptable" season -- losing to maybe the most important team for us to beat regularly from a recruiting standpoint, winning 9 games, finishing top 25, not going to a major bowl.

I honestly feel like this season is probably a failure in my book if we don't win this game.

Agreed. I also feel this is a high pressure game for Kelly. If you can't win at Stanford this year, when:
1. their D is not very good,
2. their best player is hobbled, and
3. ND has an NFL offensive line

then when will you?

 

[Old Man Mike]

...... not a failure. Just a little disappointing when we're so close.

I'll bet that any real football person in the country not emotionally bound to ND fandom would view a 9-3 regular season record with that schedule quite a success. ... and a 10-2 regular season record a standing ovation success.

 

[irishnd31]

...... not a failure. Just a little disappointing when we're so close.

I'll bet that any real football person in the country not emotionally bound to ND fandom would view a 9-3 regular season record with that schedule quite a success. ... and a 10-2 regular season record a standing ovation success.

This is where I'm at.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

Just imagine if we woulda beat Georgia

 

[dublinirish]

Just imagine if we woulda beat Georgia

i dont think this team is mentally tough enough to handle a starting out 7-0, 8-0 type of hype season. the wheels would have come off sooner than miami i reckon. Having that 1 loss took the monkey off their backs and they were able to lurk in the long grass.

 

[irish4ever]

Just imagine if we woulda beat Georgia

Hell, I would have been satisfied with the Georgia loss, if only they could have beatin' the Canes! Ugh!

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brian Kelly on RB Dexter Williams, who has been dealing with a quad contusion: "About as 100% as we’ve had him. Gotta play a big role for us on Saturday."<br><br>EQ St. Brown (concussion vs. Navy) cleared for non-contact practice today.<br><br>Also says Cam Smith will practice this week.</p>— Laken Litman (@LakenLitman) <a href="https://twitter.com/LakenLitman/status/933019634147700736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NotreDame</a>’s Brian Kelly says he offered his parking spot to Quenton Nelson to get him to come back. “He didn’t bite on that.” No shocker here, as Big Q is expected to be a top NFL Draft pick this year.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IrishIllustrated?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IrishIllustrated</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/247Sports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@247Sports</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/933020420969771008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLion]

I’ll believe Dex is healthy when we see him in the open field and it doesn’t look like he’s running with a prosthetic leg that he’s still getting adjusted to.

 

[SonofOahu]

What doesnt shock me is Doeren accusing Wake of putting thumbtacks on their lineman jerseys, and spreading broken glass in the backfield anytime NCST had the ball.

 

[Rudy89]

I want to win as much as the next fan but more than winning I just want the boys to leave this game healthy. That way all our kids that are banged up can recover in the weeks off and be ready for the bowl. Be it an NY6 game or some little bowl before that I just want to win the bowl now!

 

[Rudy89]

...... not a failure. Just a little disappointing when we're so close.

I'll bet that any real football person in the country not emotionally bound to ND fandom would view a 9-3 regular season record with that schedule quite a success. ... and a 10-2 regular season record a standing ovation success.

Anyone that isn’t a fan of an SEC team. With the exception of T-Town on the boards all I’ve heard from Bama, Auburn, and UGA fans at work are how if they would’ve had this schedule they would be putting up 70 points a game and that we haven’t dominated anyone of merit except for USC who also couldn’t compete with them.

 

[ACamp1900]

Anyone that isn’t a fan of an SEC team. With the exception of T-Town on the boards all I’ve heard from Bama, Auburn, and UGA fans at work are how if they would’ve had this schedule they would be putting up 70 points a game and that we haven’t dominated anyone of merit except for USC who also couldn’t compete with them.

I work with military students and educators a bunch... every so often I have to go to galas with the leadership of local bases and institutions. I mention this because the personnel are from all over and of this group a handful are from the South and MAJOR SEC homers... Every time we get together I have to hear how Notre Dame play absolutely nobody, EVER, has never once won a real National Title, deserve zero respect, attention or anything of that regard because they are and always have been 100% irreverent and how SEC schedules are completely justified in adding Mercer in November because having to play even a handful of SEC conference games every year is infinitely more difficult than any other schedule in college football, period.

For the record the fans in question are a couple bama fans, a Razorback alum, an UGA alum and a couple Kentucky wildcat alums.

It's just dizzying the group think they all have. They stick together though, I'll give them that.

 

[eNDzone]

Anyone that isn’t a fan of an SEC team. With the exception of T-Town on the boards all I’ve heard from Bama, Auburn, and UGA fans at work are how if they would’ve had this schedule they would be putting up 70 points a game and that we haven’t dominated anyone of merit except for USC who also couldn’t compete with them.

Yeah. Like the 70 Bama put up on Mercer. No wait that was 56.

 

[PANDFAN]

I’ll believe Dex is healthy when we see him in the open field and it doesn’t look like he’s running with a prosthetic leg that he’s still getting adjusted to.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I work with military students and educators a bunch... every so often I have to go to galas with the leadership of local bases and institutions. I mention this because the personnel are from all over and of this group a handful are from the South and MAJOR SEC homers... Every time we get together I have to hear how Notre Dame play absolutely nobody, EVER, has never once won a real National Title, deserve zero respect, attention or anything of that regard because they are and always have been 100% irreverent and how SEC schedules are completely justified in adding Mercer in November because having to play even a handful of SEC conference games every year is infinitely more difficult than any other schedule in college football, period.

For the record the fans in question are a couple bama fans, a Razorback alum, an UGA alum and a couple Kentucky wildcat alums.

It's just dizzying the group think they all have. They stick together though, I'll give them that.

My homeboys keeping it real.

However, the Arky and UK alums talking football smack is hilarious. Anyways... best to just ignore them. Otherwise, they start pulling them banjos out of their trucks and you know what that means.

 

[koonja]

Bryce Love is day to day.

Walker, starting OT, is doubtful for Saturday. Anyone know if this is a new injury, or if he's played up until this week?

 

[ndfb3.1]

https://247sports.com/college/notre...eases-Depth-Chart-for-Stanford-game-110849279

QB 1 Brandon Wimbush

QB 2 Ian Book

QB 3 Montgomery VanGorder

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RB 1 Josh Adams

RB 2 Dexter Williams

or

RB 2 Tony Jones Jr.

or

RB 4 Deon McIntosh

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WR 1 Kevin Stepherson

WR 2 Cameron Smith

WR 3 Michael Young

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WR 1 Equanimeous St. Brown

or

WR 1 Miles Boykin

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WR 1 Chase Claypool

WR 2 Chris Finke

or

WR 2 Cameron Smith

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TE 1 Durham Smythe

TE 2 Aliz'e Mack

TE 3 Nic Weishar

or

TE 3 Brock Wright

or

TE 3 Cole Kmet

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LT 1 Mike McGlinchey

LT 2 Liam Eichenberg

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LG 1 Quenton Nelson

LG 2 Joshua Lugg

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C 1 Sam Mustipher

C 2 Trevor Ruhland

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RG 1 Alex Bars

RG 2 Hunter Bivin

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RT 1 Tommy Kraemer

RT 2 Robert Hainsey

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DE 1 Daelin Hayes

or

DE 1 Andrew Trumbetti

DE 3 Julian Okwara

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DT 1 Jonathan Bonner

DT 2 Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa

DT 3 Micah Dew-Treadway

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NG 1 Jerry Tillery

NG 2 Kurt Hinish

NG 3 Brandon Tiassum

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DE 1 Jay Hayes

or

DE 1 Andrew Trumbetti

DE 3 Khalid Kareem

DE 4 Adetokunbo Ogundeji

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BUCK 1 Greer Martini

or

BUCK 1 Tevon Coney

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MIKE 1 Nyles Morgan

MIKE 2 Jamir Jones

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ROVER 1 Drue Tranquill

ROVER 2 Asmar Bilal

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CB 1 Julian Love

CB 2 Nick Watkins

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FS 1 Nick Coleman

FS 2 Isaiah Robertson

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SS 1 Jalen Elliott

or

SS 1 Devin Studstill

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CB 1 Troy Pride Jr.

CB 2 Shaun Crawford

CB 3 Donte Vaughn

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KO 1 Justin Yoon

or

KO 1 Jonathan Doerer

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PK 1 Justin Yoon

PK 2 Jonathan Doerer

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P 1 Tyler Newsome

P 2 Jeff Riney

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LS 1 John Shannon

LS 2 Nic Weishar

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HLD 1 Montgomery VanGorder

HLD 2 Tyler Newsome

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PR 1 Chris Finke

PR 2 CJ Sanders

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KR 1 CJ Sanders

KR 2 Tony Jones Jr.

Author
Tom Loy @TomLoy247

 

[stlnd01]

I think Koon is right, it's not getting the talk of other big games this year. Not even NC State level hype. When in actuality, this game is basically the difference between a "good" season (beating all our rivals, winning 10 games, finishing top 10, going to NY6 major bowl) and a "barely acceptable" season -- losing to maybe the most important team for us to beat regularly from a recruiting standpoint, winning 9 games, finishing top 25, not going to a major bowl.

I honestly feel like this season is probably a failure in my book if we don't win this game.

Not sure I'd call it a failure if we lose - 4-8 is a failure, 9-3 is not a failure - but I agree this is a pretty big game that will likely define the way we all think about this season.

Beat Stanford and we'll win 10 games, go to an NY6 Bowl and, if we win that, likely finish in the top 6 or so. Great turnaround. Too bad what happened in Miami, but an excellent season.

Lose and we're 9-3. Not bad on paper, but we've lost to three of the best four teams we played, cementing the impression that we can't beat good teams and we don't finish strong. We'll go to some mediocre bowl where no one will care if we win or lose, and probably finish ranked somewhere in the teens, with no momentum for recruiting or the offseason. Pretty disappointing considering where we sat two weeks ago.

So, yeah, Notre Dame fans may be the only people paying attention, but it's a big game for us.

 

[connor_in]

Anyone that isn’t a fan of an SEC team. With the exception of T-Town on the boards all I’ve heard from Bama, Auburn, and UGA fans at work are how if they would’ve had this schedule they would be putting up 70 points a game and that we haven’t dominated anyone of merit except for USC who also couldn’t compete with them.

Really? Out of 14 teams in the SEC, there are a total of 3 that have equal or better records and 8 that have no chance to get to our worst possible record (not including a bowl game)

 

[stlnd01]

Really? Out of 14 teams in the SEC, there are a total of 3 that have equal or better records and 8 that have no chance to get to our worst possible record (not including a bowl game)

That's because they had to go through the Thunderdome that is the SEC East. Put South Carolina in the Pac-12 and they probably make the playoffs. #SECspeed

 

[IrishLion]

I think Koon is right, it's not getting the talk of other big games this year. Not even NC State level hype. When in actuality, this game is basically the difference between a "good" season (beating all our rivals, winning 10 games, finishing top 10, going to NY6 major bowl) and a "barely acceptable" season -- losing to maybe the most important team for us to beat regularly from a recruiting standpoint, winning 9 games, finishing top 25, not going to a major bowl.

I honestly feel like this season is probably a failure in my book if we don't win this game.

I'm here, I think.

If you lose to Stanford, this is basically '15 all over again. Winning a bowl and getting to ten wins would be great on the surface... but it's actually indicative of a failure to get over the hump and steal a win from someone you aren't supposed to beat (UGA '17; Clemson '15), as well as a sign that you aren't consistently getting wins over teams that are on your "level" (Stanford '17; Stanford '15).

The only reason to maybe not burn everything if we drop this one to Stanford is the fact that it looks like the coaching staff is ACTUALLY in a really good spot (as long as Long is still learning and evolving).