Nov 11 | Miami (FL)

[snoopdog]

Fans like that need to learn their team's place. We're Notre flippin' Dame. Winners of 11 consensus national championships, the winningest team in the country. We have more Heisman winners than anyone else, more consensus all-Americans. We're the best program in the history of the sport. Settle down Miami. You're just another nouveau riche program who thinks you've got what it takes to dethrone the king.

That’s bulletin board material. These fans are going to cheer even harder now. Way to go.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Q and "not a road grader" do not belong in the same sentence.

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[MPClinton22]

I've never seen a fan base go from 0 to 100 so quickly like this. The swagger and confidence they have would make you think they've been on a dynastic tear like Alabama. All I know is it's making me want the boys in blue and gold to smack them right in the mouth even more. I think a nice 75 yard TD run for Josh on our first offensive play would do the trick.

 

[connor_in]

yeah stopped reading their boards, was getting pretty bad. Not that I expect them to think ND will win. But they think they have a better SOS than ND and they have been wins than ND

Yeah, I saw on their site something about how they have been facing a murderers row of QBs this year and didn't seem to be placing BW very high on his list.

 

[Circa]

I've never seen a fan base go from 0 to 100 so quickly like this. The swagger and confidence they have would make you think they've been on a dynastic tear like Alabama. All I know is it's making me want the boys in blue and gold to smack them right in the mouth even more. I think a nice 75 yard TD run for Josh on our first offensive play would do the trick.

There was never a zero for the real fans! Exclamation Point

 

[snoopdog]

Yeah, I saw on their site something about how they have been facing a murderers row of QBs this year and didn't seem to be placing BW very high on his list.

True

The Bethune Cookman QB is likely a Heisman Finalist along with the Toledo QB. Thank heavens the Arkansas State game got cancelled. Facing those three QB's to start the season would make any team want to quit the ncaa.

Actually have they even faced an adequate qb this season?

 

[phgreek]

Its Miami...they will play with tons of emotion. Its ACC refs in a game with an ACC team that has a chance to do something. Its in Miami. All of that conspires to chip away at NDs win margin. On a neutral field with neutral refs...ND 35 Miami 24. As it is...who knows.

ND needs to jump on them and take their swag and the refs out of it early...or it will be a long evening.

 

[BGIF]

Yeah, I saw on their site something about how they have been facing a murderers row of QBs this year and didn't seem to be placing BW very high on his list.

The numbers at cfbstats.com don't agree with MIA's fan's imaginations.

MIA Opponents Rank based upon QB Eff Ratings Year to Date (Only Top 100 Listed).

Bethune FCS NR
FSU #74
Toledo #4
Duke NR in Top 100 BCS
GT #75
SYR #81
UNC #70
VT #26

ND Wimbush #86

I'm not sure where they find a Murderer's Row in those opponents. The best in the bunch is Toledo who plays Sagarin's 105th Toughest Schedule of 130 BCS teams. Bethune, a 1aa team plays the 200th Toughest Schedule. VT plays the #60 Toughest Schedule.

FSU lost their Heisman Candidate, Francois, in the first game of the season and play a true freshman, ranked #74, against #1 Toughest Schedule.

Their only highly ranked QB cpponents, Toledo and VT play soft schedules. There's a gap of 44 slots between VT and their next "Murderer's Row" QB. Four opponents are ranked #70 to #81. Duke is NOT RANKED in the Top 100 QBs, and Bethune is Div 1aa.

By comparison Wimbush is ranked #86.



Here's the actual Opponent QB Eff Ratings for each of MIA's games.

They range from 41.28 (SYR) to 136. 5 (GT) the average is 98.34

Opp		Result	Att	Comp	Pct.	Yards	Yards/Att	TD	Int	Rating
Beth		W 41-13	39	25	64.1	229	5.9	0	1	108.29
Toledo	   W 52-30	50	29	58.0	344	6.9	3	0	135.59
@ Duke	     W 31-6	42	21	50.0	166	4.0	0	1	78.44
@ Flori St.	W 24-20	28	17	60.7	203	7.3	2	2	130.89
Geor Tech	W 25-24	8	3	37.5	55	6.9	1	0	136.50
Syracuse	W 27-19	42	14	33.3	135	3.2	0	4	41.28
@ NCaroli	W 24-19	46	20	43.5	252	5.5	2	3	90.81
17 VaTech	W 28-10	32	20	62.5	197	6.2	0	2	101.71
Totals	               287	149	51.9	1581	5.5	8	13	98.34

It worth noting that MIA allowed 6 TDs v 4 INTs in first 5 games. In their last 3 games they've allowed 2 TDs v 9 INTs.

As noted above Wimbush's QB Eff Ranking Year to Date is #86 at 121.66.

In his first 3 games Wimbush threw 2 TDs v 2 Ints for a QB Eff Rating of 96.24.

In last 5 games Wimbush threw 9 TDs v 0 INTs for QB Eff Rating of 143.3.


Wimbush is capable of being the Murderer that MIA fans have nightmares about.

 

[Huntr]

For folks worried about those "7 guys up front who will all play on Sundays", Miami's rush defense is 67th in the nation. Just about equal to usc's.

 

[connor_in]

The numbers at cfbstats.com don't agree with MIA's fan's imaginations.

MIA Opponents Rank based upon QB Eff Ratings Year to Date (Only Top 100 Listed).

Bethune FCS NR
FSU #74
Toledo #4
Duke NR in Top 100 BCS
GT #75
SYR #81
UNC #70
VT #26

ND Wimbush #86

I'm not sure where they find a Murderer's Row in those opponents. The best in the bunch is Toledo who plays Sagarin's 105th Toughest Schedule of 130 BCS teams. Bethune, a 1aa team plays the 200th Toughest Schedule. VT plays the #60 Toughest Schedule.

FSU lost their Heisman Candidate, Francois, in the first game of the season and play a true freshman, ranked #74, against #1 Toughest Schedule.

Their only highly ranked QB cpponents, Toledo and VT play soft schedules. There's a gap of 44 slots between VT and their next "Murderer's Row" QB. Four opponents are ranked #70 to #81. Duke is NOT RANKED in the Top 100 QBs, and Bethune is Div 1aa.

By comparison Wimbush is ranked #86.



Here's the actual Opponent QB Eff Ratings for each of MIA's games.

They range from 41.28 (SYR) to 136. 5 (GT) the average is 98.34

Opp		Result	Att	Comp	Pct.	Yards	Yards/Att	TD	Int	Rating
Beth		W 41-13	39	25	64.1	229	5.9	0	1	108.29
Toledo	   W 52-30	50	29	58.0	344	6.9	3	0	135.59
@ Duke	     W 31-6	42	21	50.0	166	4.0	0	1	78.44
@ Flori St.	W 24-20	28	17	60.7	203	7.3	2	2	130.89
Geor Tech	W 25-24	8	3	37.5	55	6.9	1	0	136.50
Syracuse	W 27-19	42	14	33.3	135	3.2	0	4	41.28
@ NCaroli	W 24-19	46	20	43.5	252	5.5	2	3	90.81
17 VaTech	W 28-10	32	20	62.5	197	6.2	0	2	101.71
Totals	               287	149	51.9	1581	5.5	8	13	98.34

It worth noting that MIA allowed 6 TDs v 4 INTs in first 5 games. In their last 3 games they've allowed 2 TDs v 9 INTs.

As noted above Wimbush's QB Eff Ranking Year to Date is #86 at 121.66.

In his first 3 games Wimbush threw 2 TDs v 2 Ints for a QB Eff Rating of 96.24.

In last 5 games Wimbush threw 9 TDs v 0 INTs for QB Eff Rating of 143.3.


Wimbush is capable of being the Murderer that MIA fans have nightmares about.

I agree with ya buddy! I didn't have the hard numbers but was pointing out what the guy at their site said. Now he was the only one saying it, but most over their keep referring to us as one dimensional and while being somewhat concerned about his running, they feel their ends will contain him without much problem. Ya know the whole stack the box and make him beat you thru the air thing. It's funny that they only focus on WF for how our D is, but look at GA for how Wimbush is without looking at what he has done recently.

 

[wizards8507]

Wimbush is ranked lower than that kid from FSU?

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[BGIF]

Wimbush is ranked lower than that kid from FSU?

Yes, using the cfbstats.com QB Eff Rating

 

[Irish#1]

I wonder if we'll see more of the power packages with multiple TEs or with one lined up at FB

Wouldn't be surprised since we've seen a little of that this year. Use two TE's, pound the ball and then send one of the TE's out and catch them off guard. If they stack the box like most teams have tried, look for Adams to break one.

Its Miami...they will play with tons of emotion. Its ACC refs in a game with an ACC team that has a chance to do something. Its in Miami. All of that conspires to chip away at NDs win margin. On a neutral field with neutral refs...ND 35 Miami 24. As it is...who knows.

ND needs to jump on them and take their swag and the refs out of it early...or it will be a long evening.

I'm not worried about the ACC refs. These guys have done so many ND games by now that they probably look at ND the same way they look at any other ACC team.



It's only Wednesday morning. Time may march on, but it's a slow march.

 

[JohnnyJasper]

The numbers at cfbstats.com don't agree with MIA's fan's imaginations.



MIA Opponents Rank based upon QB Eff Ratings Year to Date (Only Top 100 Listed).



Bethune FCS NR

FSU #74

Toledo #4

Duke NR in Top 100 BCS

GT #75

SYR #81

UNC #70

VT #26



ND Wimbush #86



I'm not sure where they find a Murderer's Row in those opponents. The best in the bunch is Toledo who plays Sagarin's 105th Toughest Schedule of 130 BCS teams. Bethune, a 1aa team plays the 200th Toughest Schedule. VT plays the #60 Toughest Schedule.



FSU lost their Heisman Candidate, Francois, in the first game of the season and play a true freshman, ranked #74, against #1 Toughest Schedule.



Their only highly ranked QB cpponents, Toledo and VT play soft schedules. There's a gap of 44 slots between VT and their next "Murderer's Row" QB. Four opponents are ranked #70 to #81. Duke is NOT RANKED in the Top 100 QBs, and Bethune is Div 1aa.



By comparison Wimbush is ranked #86.







Here's the actual Opponent QB Eff Ratings for each of MIA's games.



They range from 41.28 (SYR) to 136. 5 (GT) the average is 98.34

Opp		Result	Att	Comp	Pct.	Yards	Yards/Att	TD	Int	Rating

Beth		W 41-13	39	25	64.1	229	5.9	0	1	108.29

Toledo	   W 52-30	50	29	58.0	344	6.9	3	0	135.59

@ Duke	     W 31-6	42	21	50.0	166	4.0	0	1	78.44

@ Flori St.	W 24-20	28	17	60.7	203	7.3	2	2	130.89

Geor Tech	W 25-24	8	3	37.5	55	6.9	1	0	136.50

Syracuse	W 27-19	42	14	33.3	135	3.2	0	4	41.28

@ NCaroli	W 24-19	46	20	43.5	252	5.5	2	3	90.81

17 VaTech	W 28-10	32	20	62.5	197	6.2	0	2	101.71

Totals	               287	149	51.9	1581	5.5	8	13	98.34

It worth noting that MIA allowed 6 TDs v 4 INTs in first 5 games. In their last 3 games they've allowed 2 TDs v 9 INTs.



As noted above Wimbush's QB Eff Ranking Year to Date is #86 at 121.66.



In his first 3 games Wimbush threw 2 TDs v 2 Ints for a QB Eff Rating of 96.24.



In last 5 games Wimbush threw 9 TDs v 0 INTs for QB Eff Rating of 143.3.





Wimbush is capable of being the Murderer that MIA fans have nightmares about.

Unfortunetly, they have some quick and talented DB's going against EQ/Claypool/KSteph/Smythe/Mack. It's going to be an ENORMOUS game for our receivers to get separation on their DB's. There are going to be some huge plays on 3rd n medium/long where we'll have to throw. I'm way too anxious for Saturday.


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[JohnnyJasper]

For folks worried about those "7 guys up front who will all play on Sundays", Miami's rush defense is 67th in the nation. Just about equal to usc's.

Saying 7 NFL'ers is an absurd comment. I'll give them 3. Maybe 4 considering how young they are.


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[BGIF]

I agree with ya buddy! I didn't have the hard numbers but was pointing out what the guy at their site said. Now he was the only one saying it, but most over their keep referring to us as one dimensional and while being somewhat concerned about his running, they feel their ends will contain him without much problem. Ya know the whole stack the box and make him beat you thru the air thing. It's funny that they only focus on WF for how our D is, but look at GA for how Wimbush is without looking at what he has done recently.

I know we agree that's why I prefaced my post with, "The numbers at cfbstats.com don't agree with MIA's fan's imaginations."

Early in the season Wimbush was keying on ESB. Now he seems more of the field and more receivers. Claypool's big game last week made him #1 receiver. Stepherson didn't play early in the season. Now he's a threat every time he steps on the field. Boykin's got the longest TD. And the TEs move the chains.

People forget that Wimbush has only started 8 games in his career. He's thrown 200 passes this year but only 205 in his career. He's still learning the job. He's only hit 51.5% of his passes but 17 more completions, 2 per game for Winbush would make him a 60% passer. It's hyperbole but if you go back through game threads Mack has probably been accused of at least 2 dropped passes per game ... Enough to get Wimbush to a 60% passer. Some of the problem is the receiver's, some is Wimbush. Clap OL dropped one last week that would have given him a 200+ yd receiving day. ESB had one about as long as Claypool's that he had to come back and dive for but didn't hang on to. Flutie I believe called it correctly, it was timing ... On both balls Wimbush threw a tad late, maybe, half a step on a 30+ yd ball and it was off the hands. It seems like he's done that several times a game. Get that timing down and he's got another 5% completions for a 65% passer. He's that close. He had 3330 yds last week. If ESB and Claypool's make those catches off their hands, Wimbush breaks 400 yds.

Added to the 300+ yds for the last 5 games, and ND is a reasonable threat to hit 700 yds Total Offense on a regular basis.

If Miami jams the box and they will get burned. Three of ESB, Claypool, Stepherson, or Boykin, and one of either Smythe or Mack provide height, speed, and hands on the field. Too many for defenders to handle ... particularly with Adams averaging 8 YPC. That's a passing formation or a running formation as this year's receivers block for their fellow receivers and for the RBs. Versatility!

 

[Black Irish]

I've never seen a fan base go from 0 to 100 so quickly like this. The swagger and confidence they have would make you think they've been on a dynastic tear like Alabama. All I know is it's making me want the boys in blue and gold to smack them right in the mouth even more. I think a nice 75 yard TD run for Josh on our first offensive play would do the trick.

Major bandwagon fan base. I was reading an ESPN article saying that Miami "almost sold out their stadium against VA Tech." Wow. Almost. You had a night time match up against two ranked teams with major playoff implications for Miami. And the 'Canes still can't sell out. The only reason they'll probably sell out this Saturday is because Notre Dame fans are willing to travel.

 

[BGIF]

Unfortunetly, they have some quick and talented DB's going against EQ/Claypool/KSteph/Smythe/Mack. It's going to be an ENORMOUS game for our receivers to get separation on their DB's. There are going to be some huge plays on 3rd n medium/long where we'll have to throw. I'm way too anxious for Saturday.


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I think the Canes have a numbers problem. Take a combination of the 5 WRs\TEs you list above and at worst the receivers are in single coverage. They either have to have 5 DBs on the field or drop a LB leaving a Front Six not Front 7 to stop Adams and Winbush on the run. If you dedicate a spy to Wimbush, Adams and the OLine are 6 on 5 and the TEs can go downfield, drag, pull, or seal the edge. Long has numbers advantage with a lot of looks with the same personnel. If they crowd Stepherson to jam him at LOS audible to an end around, send the other 2 WR on a crossing pattern or post and have the TE seal the edge. Use that same formation and fake the end around setting a pass OR Adams into the line OR Wimbush on a bootleg following the end around or running counter, Wimbush versus the spy.

With the recent incorporation of Stepherson, Claypool, and Boykin it creates a problem that wasn't there with the other WRs in the first couple of games.

ND can increase tempo and run MIA's defenders to ground.

 

[PANDFAN]

Major bandwagon fan base. I was reading an ESPN article saying that Miami "almost sold out their stadium against VA Tech." Wow. Almost. You had a night time match up against two ranked teams with major playoff implications for Miami. And the 'Canes still can't sell out. The only reason they'll probably sell out this Saturday is because Notre Dame fans are willing to travel.

65,326 is the capacity...that's sad...we are selling out 80,000+ for wake forest

 

[wizards8507]

65,326 is the capacity...that's sad...we are selling out 80,000+ for wake forest

...in a dumpy little city that's two hours away from any major airport and has zero tourism value outside of the campus itself.

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[GowerND11]

...in a dumpy little city that's two hours away from any major airport and has zero tourism value outside of the campus itself.

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With only 8,000 + undergrad students.

 

[NorthDakota]

65,326 is the capacity...that's sad...we are selling out 80,000+ for wake forest

I was under the impression ND stadium only seats 77k now... but the point remains valid.

 

[PANDFAN]

I was under the impression ND stadium only seats 77k now... but the point remains valid.

you're correct

 

[irish4ever]

I cannot wait to see what excuses the guys on the Miami boards come up with for why they lost. One guy, on his way to projecting a 48-10 Miami win, just said
The next guy to "tear up" Q Nelson will also be the first.

I can understand where some of their "loyal" fans are projecting a win in a mild upset, but48-10?!?!? Hahahaha! Maybe something like 24-23 or something of that sort, but 48-10? That dude is definitely tripping on some of those infamous Miami drugs! 48-10, geesh!

 

[IrishLax]

To add on to BGIF's post...

Brandon Wimbush QBRs since MSU game:
92.9
58.1
90.6
85.3
94.6

Anything over 90 is "elite" and anything over 80 is "good"... so the only game where he hasn't been elite or good was the Miami of Ohio game.

For comparison, Kizer last year only had two games the whole season over 90... Texas in week 1 and Army. Wimbush is currently 7th in total QBR rankings nationally, and would be darn near the top if you look only at his latter half of games.

For those that are wondering... yes, QBR looks at how the QB actually plays and doesn't penalize them for on target throws that are drops.

 

[Free Manera]

I love how all these Miami fans keep saying "We will stack the box and force Wimbush to throw!" as if MSU, NC State, and USC didn't think of that. Stacking the box won't look so great when Adams and Wimbush get to the second level with no high safeties to make a play.

 

[connor_in]

from cane insight https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/typical-nd-fans-racist-taunts-twitter/125621/2

OriginalCanesCanesCanes said: View Post
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OriginalCanesCanesCanes said: View Post
This is from a real priest.




Hard to believe.
Look at Edward Soreass. POS fake man of the cloth. I'd like to take a full sleeve of those dry catholic cra.ckers and shove them down his facquit throat and then force him to watch adult heterosexual sex as he chokes to death.
Seriously, that did surprise me, coming from a Catholic priest.
Fake account for a priest that's been dead for 100+ years, don't get too triggered. Sorin the Molester founded Notre Dame, so hopefully we wreck that ass hard enough to make him smile from beyond the grave.
Next time I’ll look at the profile, and the profile picture, a lot more closely.

The comment was not so way out there, so it seemed like something some old timer priest drunk on sacramental wine and altar boy chowder might say.

The real story is that more-than-real guy from the original post. That’s a legit human being. I thoroughly looked through his profile. He’s very typical of all the “thug, ghetto rats, criminals” comments from their fans and boosters all over social media.
He's a Domer. They all hide behind their religious school as if its a shield for them to say stupid ass ****, as if its okay for them to be backwards because their school is "ordained by God." **** them. They're garbage people.

They thought he was the real Edward Sorin!


I gotta stop going over there, but it is way too funny. Some of their guys seem relatively reasonable, but sooo many think they are the same late 1980's JJ teams.

They are good and I am concerned, but I don't see the 48-10 pounding of a crappy ND team that is overlooking and not respecting them that they see, with their D line completely destroying our O line.

I hope we win and feel we have the ability to do so. If we can do it by a couple to a few scores all the better, but all we need is just 1 more point than them. I don't even think that would hurt us CFP wise because of where they are at in the rankings now.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Man some of those guys have some anger problems; the Father Sorin account is clearly humorous. I'm looking forward to a good game

 

[ACamp1900]

To add on to BGIF's post...

Brandon Wimbush QBRs since MSU game:
92.9
58.1
90.6
85.3
94.6

Anything over 90 is "elite" and anything over 80 is "good"... so the only game where he hasn't been elite or good was the Miami of Ohio game.

For comparison, Kizer last year only had two games the whole season over 90... Texas in week 1 and Army. Wimbush is currently 7th in total QBR rankings nationally, and would be darn near the top if you look only at his latter half of games.

For those that are wondering... yes, QBR looks at how the QB actually plays and doesn't penalize them for on target throws that are drops.

Not bad for a running back........

 

[ACamp1900]

from cane insight https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/typical-nd-fans-racist-taunts-twitter/125621/2




They thought he was the real Edward Sorin!


I gotta stop going over there, but it is way too funny. Some of their guys seem relatively reasonable, but sooo many think they are the same late 1980's JJ teams.

They are good and I am concerned, but I don't see the 48-10 pounding of a crappy ND team that is overlooking and not respecting them that they see, with their D line completely destroying our O line.

I hope we win and feel we have the ability to do so. If we can do it by a couple to a few scores all the better, but all we need is just 1 more point than them. I don't even think that would hurt us CFP wise because of where they are at in the rankings now.

Re-read the vile stuff he said, then let it sink in that he ended it by saying we are garbage people......... okay.

If I remember correctly we have encountered this one than once. The Sun Bowl build up and the SS game in 12 (I think it was 12 anyway) their base was just off the rails before both match-ups. They remind me of the old ESPN boards where everyone is trying their damndest to be "Van Smack".