Michigan Postgame Thread

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Postgame Thoughts:

1. This game reminded me of the 2017 game at Miami.
2. Number's don't lie: 52 total yards at the half.
3. Number's still don't lie: 1.8 yards per play in the first half.
4. I don't know what underperformed more-- our o-line or the offense play calling. They both sucked.
5. Chris Tyree cannot get here soon enough, that will shake up our depth chart and I am fine with that.
6. I don't know what to say anymore about Ian Book, what is it going to take to see more of PJ?
7. McKinley needs to see the field more and I hope that he gets offered a 5th year next year.
8. No leadership it seems?!?!
9. We made Michigan look too good.
10. Where do the Irish go from here??

Go Irish!
 

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1) To play like that after two weeks off is embarrassing for coaches and players.

2) I really hate Michigan.

3) Thank God ND lost this. Now we know they won't be playing a top team in a top tier bowl game and get smoked.

4) I'm with North Dakota...with 2 losses it's time to start building for 2020. More Jurkovic, more Simon and Bauer at LB, etc.

5) Chip Long has shown us over 3 years what he is and what he isn't. Time for a change.

6) Clark Lea is still underpaid at ND.

7) Still can't believe ND contained Georgia but got manhandled by a Michigan team that struggled to beat 3-5 Army in OT.
 

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1) To play like that after two weeks off is embarrassing for coaches and players.

2) I really hate Michigan.

3) Thank God ND lost this. Now we know they won't be playing a top team in a top tier bowl game and get smoked.

4) I'm with North Dakota...with 2 losses it's time to start building for 2020. More Jurkovic, more Simon and Bauer at LB, etc.

5) Chip Long has shown us over 3 years what he is and what he isn't. Time for a change.

6) Clark Lea is still underpaid at ND.

7) Still can't believe ND contained Georgia but got manhandled by a Michigan team that struggled to beat 3-5 Army in OT.

Several teams are handling Georgia lately so not sure that accomplishment looks as good now.

It is time for a change. New OC coordinator maybe Charlie Weis? I’m not kidding anymore.
No more Ian Book. He has lost his nerve and quick decision making. He holds the ball longer than any ND QB I can remember. No more Fink even on punts. No more Jafar on kick returns. Maybe only a few more chances for Jana at RB. He made poor decisions thinking he could get the edge instead of planting a foot and turning upfield. The Tony Jones era is over. He needs blocking badly.
Bring back the fullback please. Tony Jones can play FB for Tyree. WTF happened to slant passes or anything to Kmet? We dropped more passes (it was wet) but no excuse. We choked on every level.
We will see what kind of coaches and p,Ayers we have in the weeks ahead. We need a bye week this week.
 

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1. ND tries to win with scheme vs having an identity and playing to your strengths. When the weather threw a wrench in their scheme, it was over before it started.
2. BK is the CEO and delegates to his coordinators. Saban and Urban are CEO's who micromanage every little detail of their operations. This level of flop would never have happened to Saban or Urban.
3. The only way ND will ever win a championship is if their QB is the best player on the field for 12 games. This team with Tua, Trevor, Hurts or Fields is completely different.
 

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1. ND tries to win with scheme vs having an identity and playing to your strengths. When the weather threw a wrench in their scheme, it was over before it started.
2. BK is the CEO and delegates to his coordinators. Saban and Urban are CEO's who micromanage every little detail of their operations. This level of flop would never have happened to Saban or Urban.
3. The only way ND will ever win a championship is if their QB is the best player on the field for 12 games. This team with Tua, Trevor, Hurts or Fields is completely different.

The strength of scheming is supposed to be adaptability. When you choose to adapt by doing the literal exact opposite of how things should go (throwing in hurricane Katrina), you fire your OC. Michigan rushed like 20 plays in a row. We kept throwing. And missing.
 

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The strength of scheming is supposed to be adaptability. When you choose to adapt by doing the literal exact opposite of how things should go (throwing in hurricane Katrina), you fire your OC. Michigan rushed like 20 plays in a row. We kept throwing. And missing.

Are you serious? Chip Long can’t get a break. People were bitching because he ran the ball too much, now there bitching because he passed too much. Which is it?
 

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So glad we played them again,... having a thirty point blowout as a last image of a rival wasn’t fun,...
 

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1. ND tries to win with scheme vs having an identity and playing to your strengths. When the weather threw a wrench in their scheme, it was over before it started.
2. BK is the CEO and delegates to his coordinators. Saban and Urban are CEO's who micromanage every little detail of their operations. This level of flop would never have happened to Saban or Urban.
3. The only way ND will ever win a championship is if their QB is the best player on the field for 12 games. This team with Tua, Trevor, Hurts or Fields is completely different.

In regards to your second point, wasn’t BK 1.0 a micro manager who kept his cronies as assistants? Now he hires two coordinators outside the program & delegates play calling to them & that’s the wrong move, too?

I get the frustration & I’m not saying Chip Long is the answer but we don’t know what goes on in those coaching meetings or practices. Does Long want someone else at QB but BK is insisting on Book? Is Jurkovec that bad in practice that there’s never a debate about who the QB is? Is Long just failing w/ the personnel he has? We are all just speculating.
 

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Enough with the good practice players. WHo can do it under the bright lights! We already know for a fact that Book is not going to change his stripes. Wimbush got benched for playing a lot better than Book has against some avaerage competition. A lot of players better brace themselves for going from starter to backup next year. Good thing Elliott has no more years of eligibility because he is close to losing his starting gig and Gilman is also fortunate no one is that good behind him right now, the Dline has to be better at the point of attack and the tackles just need to be better. Hinish is another Finke imo. Nice story but enough of the Rudy BS. He has put on weight but it doesn’t look solid it looks soft. Nice face paint though.....
 

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Enough with the good practice players. WHo can do it under the bright lights! We already know for a fact that Book is not going to change his stripes. Wimbush got benched for playing a lot better than Book has against some avaerage competition. A lot of players better brace themselves for going from starter to backup next year. Good thing Elliott has no more years of eligibility because he is close to losing his starting gig and Gilman is also fortunate no one is that good behind him right now, the Dline has to be better at the point of attack and the tackles just need to be better. Hinish is another Finke imo. Nice story but enough of the Rudy BS. He has put on weight but it doesn’t look solid it looks soft. Nice face paint though.....



Oh so now the DT’s need to be better. From before the season started Koon and I were the only people begging that Jayson A start over MTA. And what has happened MTA has looked like a child the last two weeks, can’t tackle anyone. Give me Jayson A as the starter and a 50/50 rotation of Hinish and Lacey.


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1. Michigan is not 21 points better than ND....

2. Notre Dame is not 21 worse than UM...

3. Jim Harbaugh teams are built for this type of game.

4. Brian Kelly has never been able to coach in these types of game... I dont know he is oblivious to how rain affects play on the field but he has to be the dumbest coach and has the most il prepared teams in these conditions. NC State, Clemson, now Michigan.

5. Notre Dame was never the 8th best team in the country

6. This game was over after the first possession. Notre Dame did not appear ready for the elements in combination with playing at The Big House. Once you are down in these elements and everybody in the stadium is rooting against you and UM has all the energy and crowd behind them.

7. Neutral field, normal weather conditions ND wins by 2 scores. ND is at the very least a top 25 team... I honestly do not think Michigan is.

8. Michigan will lose 2-3 games the rest of their season... ND might win out even if they play some of the younger guys... ND will have a better season... Michigan will have bragging rights for the next 10 years... Good God!!

9. I stopped watching the game when it was 10-0... I did not think I would learn anything from this game about how good or bad either team is or was just because one team showed up and the other just wanted to put warm clothes and call it a night.

10. ND has a better chance at winning a bowl game now then they did before yesterday.

11. Georgia will lose 2-3 more games this season.

12. I have no comments for the play on the field or caoching decisions because the coaches don't know how to coach in these elements... players were not ready for the rain... players played scared and like it was cold and wet so I honestly can't evaluate except to say EVERYONE on that ND sideline did not show up.
 

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1. ND tries to win with scheme vs having an identity and playing to your strengths. When the weather threw a wrench in their scheme, it was over before it started.
2. BK is the CEO and delegates to his coordinators. Saban and Urban are CEO's who micromanage every little detail of their operations. This level of flop would never have happened to Saban or Urban.
3. The only way ND will ever win a championship is if their QB is the best player on the field for 12 games. This team with Tua, Trevor, Hurts or Fields is completely different.

Is this the same Urban Meyer who lost 49-20 against a 6-7 Purdue team and 55-24 against an 8-5 Iowa team?
 

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Is this the same Urban Meyer who lost 49-20 against a 6-7 Purdue team and 55-24 against an 8-5 Iowa team?
Yeah, same one with 3 natties under his belt. Some losses are more forgivable with that resumé.

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Next to Heistand, Warriner is the best OL coach in college football imo. Great recruiter? No, but he's greatly improved every OL he's worked with. He improved our run game in the short time he was here and left a great foundation for Harry, he improved Ohio State, and he's turned around a horrible Michigan OL. Should have brought him back in once Ohio State cut him loose.
 

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Next to Heistand, Warriner is the best OL coach in college football imo. Great recruiter? No, but he's greatly improved every OL he's worked with. He improved our run game in the short time he was here and left a great foundation for Harry, he improved Ohio State, and he's turned around a horrible Michigan OL. Should have brought him back in once Ohio State cut him loose.

Quinn seems to be doing well on the recruiting trail but the production on the field just isn’t there.
 

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Always Leary about ND coming out of mid semester break. Almost unforgivable coaching job from top to bottom, with regard to preparation. Golson was a better “point guard” QB than Book. There is no point in continuing to start him. Phil would start his on the job training first thing Monday morning if it was Coach Redbar’s team. So would next man in behind Finke on all his units
 

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Always Leary about ND coming out of mid semester break. Almost unforgivable coaching job from top to bottom, with regard to preparation. Golson was a better “point guard” QB than Book. There is no point in continuing to start him. Phil would start his on the job training first thing Monday morning if it was Coach Redbar’s team. So would next man in behind Finke on all his units

Golson turned the ball over as often as he scored, I wouldn't say he was better than Book. It's like two opposites of the coin honestly. Golson was aggressive, but too much so and made boneheaded mistakes. Book is ultra conservative, which means he takes pretty good care of the football, but he also isn't challenging down the field and it's making defenses not respect us. There needs to be a happy medium.
 

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Golson turned the ball over as often as he scored, I wouldn't say he was better than Book. It's like two opposites of the coin honestly. Golson was aggressive, but too much so and made boneheaded mistakes. Book is ultra conservative, which means he takes pretty good care of the football, but he also isn't challenging down the field and it's making defenses not respect us. There needs to be a happy medium.
We're still better off with a Golson type because even for all his TOs and risk/reward factor, defenses had to respect him and couldn't stack the box regularly.

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We're still better off with a Golson type because even for all his TOs and risk/reward factor, defenses had to respect him and couldn't stack the box regularly.

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Not when he's losing to a bad ASU team. Book has struggled against better teams that stack the box, but he generally beats the teams he should because he takes care of the football. I think we forget how badly we collapsed at the end of 2014 under Golson's risk/reward.
 

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Welp, all I got out of that game was what I already knew:

Phil should be playing now for 2020 & 2021.

I was spot on from day 1 about Cam McGrone.
 

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I can guaranty I will never make that trip again. The entire state of Michigan is a shithole with that whore Ann Arbor the epicenter of A-hole central. I don't think I have ever been around a more obnoxious and ignorant fan base in my life. Throwing the trash on the field when you are throttling a hapless no-show up 17-0 was just cherry on top of the entirely classless aura. Then respond to the PA announcement not to throw stuff on the field (after about the fifth hissy fit) with a roar of boos and trash thrown. Such a pack of knobs. It was just more moronic and juvenile than anything.

Thanks Coach Brian Kelly for taking the last two weeks off. From the start we were worse than flat across the board. All seven Captain emblems need to come off - give one to the long snapper and nobody else at this point. A team with 7 captains apparently has none. I SEVEN 3 & outs out of 14 possessions. Defense was horrible but I blame the offense for giving them no hope of competing.
 

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Is this the same Urban Meyer who lost 49-20 against a 6-7 Purdue team and 55-24 against an 8-5 Iowa team?
Yup also the same one who has posted results like this in NC's/NY6 bowls:
W 35-7 2005 Fiesta Bowl (Pitt)
W 41-14 2007 NCG (OSU)
W 24-14 2009 NCG (Oklahoma)
W 51-24 2010 Sugar Bowl (Cincy)
W 42-35 2015 Sugar Bowl (Alabama)
W 42-20 2015 NCG (Oregon)

Wake me up when BK has half those accomplishments.
 

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There is a correlation about playing in the rain - you must run the ball well and you must tackle-Irish don't do either very well-there is a difference between junk yards running the ball and running to win-you must run to win. There is a difference between the big hit and sound tackling. You don't throw it around in a downpour-Book is not the problem-not running the ball well is the problem. To beat them in a game like that you have to play like they did-we did neither. I really dislike Mich and you can tell how jealous they are of Notre Dame but hats off to them that was a butt kicking. They will lose more games this year but not last night the way my guys played.
 

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I need a one week hiatus. If I didn't have family and friends in SB I wouldn't be making the trip this weekend to VT.

BK and this coaching staff sucked the wind out of my fandom sails on Saturday. My patience in Chip Long, and Book for that matter, has come to an end. My faith in Clark Lea is utterly shook. How on Earth can we not stop the run in a torrential downpour when we know 100%, without a doubt, that they are going to run the ball. We got flat outclassed up front on both sides of the trenches. Against one of our most bitter rivals, who have looked like dog $hit all f*cking season. Coming off a bye week, with no classes, and hardly any students on campus. Two weeks to prepare with nary a distraction to worry about. And that was the performance we got.

BK to the NFL would be hilarious to watch if that is even a serious option. I hope the Dolphins call him tomorrow.

If PJ, Keys, and some young LBs don't get significant playing time in November then *uck BK. The most important thing to do right now is get this roster primed and ready for 2020/2021 with the elite classes we have on the way. Develop, compete, and win a stupid Pinstripe Bowl at 8-4. I'll take that over 10-2 and an ass whoopin' against Oregon, Penn St, etc. in a NY6.

*UCK MICHIGAN, but also, *UCK Brian Kelly & co for that utter embarrassment on Saturday. Never been more humiliated as fan.

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Post-Michigan Rakes Report:

1) This will be short (but in no way sweet) because I’m sure you all want to read about this game as much as I wanted to write about it. Our friend Jamie Uyeyama asked in the fourth quarter if this was the worst loss of the Brian Kelly Era and I am almost certain it was. Throw out any games from 2010 because that was digging out of the Weis hole, throw out Alabama and Clemson in the postseason because those were legitimately great teams, throw out all the heartbreakers because heartbreakers are close so at least they’re respectable and then you’re pretty much left with Miami 2017 and this. Considering the situation — Notre Dame on a two-and-half season run of quality football, coming off a bye, against a Michigan team that had been wobbling all year — I think this probably takes the cake. It was a shocking result. What exactly did this team do on its off week? Focusing on cheeseburgers is for Fans Only!

2) A true disaster from the start. Notre Dame is gifted an extension of their opening drive on a roughing the kicker penalty and gets nothing out of it save for pinning back Michigan on a nice Jay Bramblett punt. The defense forces a three and out, the special teams blocks the punt and then pretty much everything else the rest of the way was a mess, including touching the blocked punt (bad idea for both Notre Dame and Texas Tech this weekend) and a pass interference call on third down. I don’t know what either coordinator was doing in the early going, as the defense wasn’t overloading the box and the offense was attacking the edge in slick conditions. Considering the Irish offense’s success rate with screen passes this year it is flabbergasting they called any in a driving rainstorm. Both lines got whipped. They had been playing really well and then they didn’t. Is that an aberration or were the games coming into this one false hope? We’ll find out!

3) Quarterback is the most important position in college football, a cheat code and ceiling raiser that can take your team from middling to good and from good to great and from great to title-winning. I don’t have any idea what is up with Ian Book, who was missing guys again on Saturday. God Bless Chase Claypool for a series of acrobatic catches but Book simply wasn’t good enough, earning justifiable criticism from one of his predecessors in the role.

The coaching trio of Kelly, Chip Long and Tommy Rees took a guy who was the 517th best player in his class and by the end of his second year on campus had him ready to step in and beat a good SEC defense in the bowl. He came in during his third year to set school records and take Notre Dame to the playoff and now it’s…not so good. Miles Boykin was awesome last year and is doing great with the Ravens but taking away one receiver shouldn’t completely submarine an offense.* What makes it extra confounding is that when Kelly came from Cincinnati one of the main selling points was his quarterback development, as his last Bearcats team had an undefeated regular season despite a carousel at the position.

* Unless that wide receiver is Will Fuller, then it maybe makes sense.

It’s a confusing mess and people are understandably going to want to see more from Phil Jurkovec, particularly now that the playoff is officially off the table. The future is just as cloudy, as it doesn’t seem like Book has a path to the NFL and yet would you bet on him being the starter in Dublin? It’s possible Kelly goes his entire tenure at Notre Dame without a multiple-year stretch from a stud QB that elevates the team, which is wild when you consider how college football usually goes, particularly with programs who’ve had as much success as the Irish of late.

4) I don’t want to dive into attempting a clinical analysis of the locker room but between Michael Young transfer news coming out the day before Michigan and the really poor performances by basically every captain, it doesn’t seem like a good situation. Also, both Tony Jones, Jr. and Tommy Kraemer went down in the game, two guys who had been key pieces of the offense so hopefully they can get back in some form or fashion. This team still has five regular season games remaining and while they’re capable of winning them all it’s more than possible they drop another game or even two, which would be a tremendous disappointment.

5) Quick reminder: As bad as that was, please remember that Notre Dame is not the only college football team that struggles on the road. This is a weird take that sometimes slips out when we’re filled with sorrow and it’s very myopic to think that in all of FBS it’s only our team that plays better at home. The Irish weren’t even the only top ten team to lose on the road this weekend, plus everyone’s favorite Fox Sports analyst lost at Iowa by 31 and at Purdue by 29 in consecutive seasons. It sucks that it happens but it happens.

6) Saturday night was a debacle in every way possible but I’d like to focus on perhaps the most disappointing part, which is how much joy has been robbed from us. We talk a lot about how quickly the season passes: A dozen autumn Saturdays, a bowl and then bam, eight months with nothing. The usual spaces where people converse about Notre Dame football are going to be absolutely toxic, you’re not really going to want to chat about this with the important people in your lives and these next five games — nearly half the season! — are going to have a pallor cast over them unless the team looks much much much better, although it seems just as likely there will be a quarterback controversy and another loss and everyone will be quite sad. Notre Dame football had been really really fun for the last couple years and this really just knocked the wind out of us.

All that said: This too shall pass. We survived 3-9 and 4-8 and both 21st century trips to Pro Player Joe Robbie Hard Rock Land Shark Sun Life Stadium and we’ll survive this, too. It really sucks this happened against Michigan and they’re now the beneficiary of so much happiness at our expense and it sucks because it felt like we weren’t going to have games like this anymore but here we are. There’s still plenty to accomplish (extending the home win streak, finally winning in Palo Alto, a third straight 10-win season, another Top 10 finish) if the team is able to rally, but after this weekend I am certainly not predicting it because who knows how the team will respond. This can no longer be a special season but it can still be a successful one that continues to build on the last few years and helps in the recruiting of guys to take the program over that next hump so these games truly stop happening. It’s not what we wanted but it’s what we’ve got, potentially, at this moment.

7) If you made it all the way to the bottom of this, I appreciate you reading as I know I certainly cut down on my Irish media consumption because, ya know, it doesn’t feel great at this point so you choosing to work through this means a lot. Virginia Tech is coming off a bye, on a mini-win streak and definitely knows they’re playing a shellshocked Irish team so Saturday will not be easy, although Vegas has installed the Irish as 17ish-point favorites so the folks in the desert are expecting a bounce back at least. Notre Dame hasn’t lost two in a row since 2016 so let’s keep that run as well as the home winning streak intact, please, as we start giving some punishment back.

I had invited another family over for dinner/ gamewatch on Saturday night which turned out to be a blessing, because my duties as a host prevented me from getting too emotionally involved. Viewed from 10,000 feet, this loss doesn't change much for our season. We were already very unlikely to make the playoffs again (which is obviously for the best now), and a 10-2 Irish squad is still probably headed for a NY6 bowl. We should be heavily favored against every other team on our schedule, so as long as Kelly & Co. can take care of business going forward, we can still head into 2020 with a ton of recruiting momentum.

We know we're a much better team than the stat-line indicates. I'm inclined to chalk it up as a weird game in a deluge, and move on. Just sucks it had to come against our most hated enemy.

But if we drop another game against an inferior team and the wheels start to come off...
 

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Post-Michigan Rakes Report:



I had invited another family over for dinner/ gamewatch on Saturday night which turned out to be a blessing, because my duties as a host prevented me from getting too emotionally involved. Viewed from 10,000 feet, this loss doesn't change much for our season. We were already very unlikely to make the playoffs again (which is obviously for the best now), and a 10-2 Irish squad is still probably headed for a NY6 bowl. We should be heavily favored against every other team on our schedule, so as long as Kelly & Co. can take care of business going forward, we can still head into 2020 with a ton of recruiting momentum.

We know we're a much better team than the stat-line indicates. I'm inclined to chalk it up as a weird game in a deluge, and move on. Just sucks it had to come against our most hated enemy.

But if we drop another game against an inferior team and the wheels start to come off...

Your last sentence worries me the most b/c I think it’s very likely going forward. Even a win over scUM would have me wary as all five would be and still are the proverbial “trap game”. They will be favored in every one. Fans will assume they win out. Players will not take all five opponents as seriously as they should....human nature. Drop one & it’s right back to 2017 w/ only a middling bowl over a name brand team to salvage any success.

Even at 10-2, ND is currently projected for the Camping World Bowl...not a NY6 bowl. But we all know crazy stuff will happen that hopefully helps ND out & that some of the top 10 teams will cannibalize themselves based on future matchups. Plus, I would think ND would be an attractive candidate for an at-large NY6 invite. That’s all contingent on ND winning out.

Wisconsin lost to Illinois
Georgia lost to USCe
OU lost to K-State

If fans don’t think ND can lose to any of their next five opponents, they haven’t been paying attention.
 

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“Notre Dame Needed Its Captains to Step Up in 2019 and They Haven’t”

So far there has been a lot of talk about identity and standards following the 45-14 debacle against Michigan. I suppose there is a place for that following this kind of performance. There are naturally big-picture questions about the program, where it’s headed, what this all means, etc. People always have a doomsday approach after losses like this, but it’s most likely an overreaction. This happened in 2017 against Miami, too, and the season mostly fell apart, and the next year, the team went 12-1. Things change year to year in college football. I’m more interested in the trend we’ve seen since the opening game, and that’s the deterioration of play from the seven Notre Dame captains this season.

When you name seven captains, all of which are front line players bordering on stars, that says you believe this team has better than good leadership. It also means you expect the team overall to have a very high standard of play. A coach won’t name someone captain unless they are pretty confident what they are getting on the field. The captaincy is not only being good in the locker room or giving good speeches before games. There is a performance element to it. Basically, you’ve got to be a sure thing, and that’s the expectation.

If you look at any single player, beyond the quarterback, the play has mostly been fine from these guys. But, collectively, there has been a drop, and when there are seven of them, a collective drop is a pretty big deal. They represent the top 1/3 of the starters.


So, if we are going to have a conversation about what failed yesterday, and what’s been going wrong all year, we need to talk about the drop in play from Notre Dame’s leaders, because everything starts with them.

Ian Book and Chris Finke
This was supposed to be a leap year for Book, a time when he took his game into the top 10 of all college football quarterbacks. Instead, he has gone backward. Against all Power 5 teams this season, Book is now completing 56% of his passes on 5.7 yards per attempt, and 174 yards per game. Last season, those numbers stood at 67%, 8.2 YPA, and 272 yards per game. That’s a drop of 10 percentage points and 100 yards per game. Pretty big deal.

What’s stunning is the lack of development in the understanding of the offense. He frequently misses open receivers, doesn’t make the proper pre-snap reads, and has trouble locating his second and third reads. These are areas where any quarterback can improve; it has nothing to do with physical ability and everything to do with understanding the game. It’s more than fair to bring up coaching in this situation, as previously stated, these are all coachable areas. There has to be some accountability for that. But, this is the same coaching that led him to those numbers last season, and he was much better in 2018 than he was in spot duty in 2017. He’d already made strides, which is what makes all of this so hard to understand.


The same goes for Finke, but unfortunately for him, his fate is mostly tied to his quarterback. After catching 49 passes for 571 yards last season, he’s currently on a 26 catch, 338 yard pace. But, he has also made mistakes that coming from a senior captain are unacceptable. Muffing the punt against Virginia, running routes on third down short of the sticks, dropping passes that lead to interceptions. Think about how well he’s had to play in practice and in games to reach the level he is now; he’s beaten out players who were recruited and put on scholarship and was made captain. His level of play has previously been very high, how could it not have? This is what makes his current play so shocking. He’s never been this guy.
 

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If fans don’t think ND can lose to any of their next five opponents, they haven’t been paying attention.

I don't think anyone is taking 10-2 for granted right now. The point is that, after inflicting the worst loss of his ND tenure on us, Kelly's margin for error is pretty much nonexistent.
 
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