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Pretty much what you would expect.

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“Notre Dame Needed Its Captains to Step Up in 2019 and They Haven’t”

So far there has been a lot of talk about identity and standards following the 45-14 debacle against Michigan. I suppose there is a place for that following this kind of performance. There are naturally big-picture questions about the program, where it’s headed, what this all means, etc. People always have a doomsday approach after losses like this, but it’s most likely an overreaction. This happened in 2017 against Miami, too, and the season mostly fell apart, and the next year, the team went 12-1. Things change year to year in college football. I’m more interested in the trend we’ve seen since the opening game, and that’s the deterioration of play from the seven Notre Dame captains this season.

When you name seven captains, all of which are front line players bordering on stars, that says you believe this team has better than good leadership. It also means you expect the team overall to have a very high standard of play. A coach won’t name someone captain unless they are pretty confident what they are getting on the field. The captaincy is not only being good in the locker room or giving good speeches before games. There is a performance element to it. Basically, you’ve got to be a sure thing, and that’s the expectation.

If you look at any single player, beyond the quarterback, the play has mostly been fine from these guys. But, collectively, there has been a drop, and when there are seven of them, a collective drop is a pretty big deal. They represent the top 1/3 of the starters.


So, if we are going to have a conversation about what failed yesterday, and what’s been going wrong all year, we need to talk about the drop in play from Notre Dame’s leaders, because everything starts with them.

In a perfect world - I take all the "C"s off the chests and see if you are allowed to concede the coin flip. If not - send out the long snapper.
 

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In a perfect world - I take all the "C"s off the chests and see if you are allowed to concede the coin flip. If not - send out the long snapper.

I would honestly love for them to do this and send a message, just for a game, but make it Shaun Crawford.
 

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Phil should be playing now for 2020 & 2021.

Why isn't he, though?

It's either Book is the best option or they mismanage this position as a staff. Last year everyone wanted Book instead of Wimbush. We got it. Now we're back to square one a year later.

I'm really puzzled by ND QB1 under Kelly. It remains a mystery to me why he hasn't gotten more out of the position during his tenure.
 

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In a perfect world - I take all the "C"s off the chests and see if you are allowed to concede the coin flip. If not - send out the long snapper.

Nah, I don't like this. Leadership isn't about touchdowns and interceptions. By all accounts Book, Gilman, and Elliot demonstrate traits that are leaders of men. Don't confuse that with playing a game well.

Now I was surprised when they tabbed Julian, Khalid, Fink, and Hainsey, but the coaches (and players?) must have seen the traits that are needed. However, Kelly's own admission that JO as a captain would have been surprising this time last year, makes you wonder if this was an attempt to appease a lot of different people.
 

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This team never plays fired up on the field. I wonder if the academics are too draining.

I wonder if that's also the reason why we look so soft at times. The culture and academics.
 

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Nah, I don't like this. Leadership isn't about touchdowns and interceptions. By all accounts Book, Gilman, and Elliot demonstrate traits that are leaders of men. Don't confuse that with playing a game well.

Now I was surprised when they tabbed Julian, Khalid, Fink, and Hainsey, but the coaches (and players?) must have seen the traits that are needed. However, Kelly's own admission that JO as a captain would have been surprising this time last year, makes you wonder if this was an attempt to appease a lot of different people.

I was about twenty feet from the team - I saw zero leadership intangibles all damn day. The lethargy of the team came from the "C"s on down, IMO. Book x100.
 
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