Marcus Freeman New DC

[BrownerandFry]

Relax? What are we doing, getting fan advice from "Frankie goes to Hollywood?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yem_iEHiyJ0

 

[zelezo vlk]

Y'all remember when a Brent Venables defense gave up 70 in the Orange Bowl? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Nope because Venables didn't coach at Clemson until 2012 lol.

FYI I heard that Clemson gave up 70 because their DC had a seizure/stroke that week and wasn't able to coach, but it was never released to the public

 

[IrishLax]

Nope because Venables didn't coach at Clemson until 2012 lol.

FYI I heard that Clemson gave up 70 because their DC had a seizure/stroke that week and wasn't able to coach, but it was never released to the public

Is this for real? Never heard anything about that. That’s wild!

 

[zelezo vlk]

Is this for real? Never heard anything about that. That’s wild!

It's what I saw on r/cfb

 

[ulukinatme]

I wonder how Vanderbilt fans are feeling after their new head coach Lea lost his first game to the East Tennessee State Buccaneers 23-3.

If he wanted to give back to his old school he should have created a scholarship or something. The most he can hope to do is improve Vandy from an SEC doormat to a mediocre, middle range team. Even that might be a stretch. He could have been head coach in waiting here.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Clark Lea's last three games in 2020....

Syracuse - 229 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 6.4
Clemson - 219 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 8.2
Alabama - 140 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 7.9

FSU 2021 - 264 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 6.0


FSU 2020 - 405 yards allowed, 5.7 YPP, 1 TO generated
FSU 2021 - 442 yards allowed, 6.0 YPP, 3 TO generated

People need to relax. It obviously wasn't pretty. But it wasn't catastrophic either.

 

[IrishLax]

We were not the only ones perplexed by the 3 man front:
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/khalid_kareem53/status/1434709098751275008?s=20[/TWEET]

The rumor that is going around right now is that the team was totally gassed and could not deal with the heat/humidity, and the 4th quarter disaster was because of that. I dunno if I understand the logic, but that's the spin being put out through back channels to beat writers.

 

[irishff1014]

I am not done watching the game since I couldn’t watch it live. Freeman obviously has a lot to learn on the big stage but game one under his belt with more experience.

One thing though that is a bad sign is when the play by play announcers are telling everyone watching the game what needs to happen and it doesn’t. At the end of the third quarter they are running the ball very successfully. Quit being a bone head and put that 4th d-lineman on the field.

Something else I noticed who is good and bad is the d-line is very aggressive and getting in the backfield quickly but aren’t getting as many tackles for loss with the amount of people in the backfield.

 

[Luckylucci]

Clark Lea's last three games in 2020....

Syracuse - 229 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 6.4
Clemson - 219 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 8.2
Alabama - 140 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 7.9

FSU 2021 - 264 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 6.0


FSU 2020 - 405 yards allowed, 5.7 YPP, 1 TO generated
FSU 2021 - 442 yards allowed, 6.0 YPP, 3 TO generated

People need to relax. It obviously wasn't pretty. But it wasn't catastrophic either.

Thanks for posting that. Interesting to look at it those numbers. But, there is one big difference that’s not in those numbers. Lea had a 35-20 lead in the 2nd Qtr. And used the next 2 qtrs to lock them up, mostly. Freeman had a 38-20 lead and almost blew the game in 16 or so minutes of game clock. I find those to be very different. Those in-game adjustments are why Lea had such a great track record under 30pts.

 

[ulukinatme]

Clark Lea's last three games in 2020....

Syracuse - 229 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 6.4
Clemson - 219 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 8.2
Alabama - 140 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 7.9

FSU 2021 - 264 yards allowed on the ground, overall YPP 6.0


FSU 2020 - 405 yards allowed, 5.7 YPP, 1 TO generated
FSU 2021 - 442 yards allowed, 6.0 YPP, 3 TO generated

People need to relax. It obviously wasn't pretty. But it wasn't catastrophic either.

I wouldn't say Florida's OL were world beaters. They were not Clemson or Alabama. 264 yards on the ground is unacceptable.

 

[Bluto]

We were not the only ones perplexed by the 3 man front:
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/khalid_kareem53/status/1434709098751275008?s=20[/TWEET]

The rumor that is going around right now is that the team was totally gassed and could not deal with the heat/humidity, and the 4th quarter disaster was because of that. I dunno if I understand the logic, but that's the spin being put out through back channels to beat writers.

Fire Balis. Drink more Gatorade.

 

[Luckylucci]

We were not the only ones perplexed by the 3 man front:
[TWEET]https://twitter.com/khalid_kareem53/status/1434709098751275008?s=20[/TWEET]

The rumor that is going around right now is that the team was totally gassed and could not deal with the heat/humidity, and the 4th quarter disaster was because of that. I dunno if I understand the logic, but that's the spin being put out through back channels to beat writers.

There’s a poster at 247 that said he saw Jayson A throw up multiple times on the sideline. Didn’t see it myself so can’t confirm but maybe there is something to that.

 

[Ndaccountant]

There’s a poster at 247 that said he saw Jayson A throw up multiple times on the sideline. Didn’t see it myself so can’t confirm but maybe there is something to that.

I did notice during the last three drives he was noticeably slower getting up after each play. There was once or twice where I thought he was injured. So if it was fatigue, that at least would help explain that, assuming that is all true.

 

[ulukinatme]

I don't know if I buy the whole heat & humidity thing. First, South Bend was still hitting highs in the 90s up until about a week before the game. Humidity is obviously higher in Tallahassee than South Bend, but many days this summer it looks like it could only be 10-15% more humidity between the two areas. At kickoff it was 80 and later it dropped to 75. Again, humidity was definitely high that night, but it wasn't midday hot and it wasn't night and day different for our guys like Arizona dry heat vs. swamp heat. I'm pretty sure someone high up the chain commented about all that before the game too.

 

[IrishLion]

I think losing Liufau at the last minute, and then not having Bothelo available, ruined Freeman's ability to make adjustments during the game. It seems pretty clear after seeing some stills of pre-snap alignments, and revisiting some of the issues when FSU decided to commit to the run game, that Liufau and Bothelo's collective versatility was going to be his 3rd-down trump card, both in terms of keeping the pass rush fresh AND forcing FSU into doing things they wouldn't necessarily want to do on 3rd down.

There were times where he had the Jason and/or Justin A standing up at LB, and there were times where Foskey was up as an ILB playing in coverage. That's fine if it's Liufau or Bothelo, but less so when it's a collective of players that have probably only been preparing that way for a week.

And as everyone saw, the DL looked gassed late in the game, which didn't help. And at first I thought it was because they had shortened their rotation too much, but really the issue I think was (once again) not having Bothelo and Liufau available to come off the edge in certain situations, which resulted in them trying to manage the DE snaps, which resulted in some of the interior guys kicking out at times when they normally wouldn't have, which resulted in EVERYONE being tired.

So you're missing two guys that are keys to both (1) helping with the pass rush in high-leverage downs, which results in helping keep everyone fresh, and (2) guys that are going to move around and wreck the opposing offense's plans based on needing to account for them in spots you didn't expect... and you lost these guys on relatively short notice.

Freeman will adjust... but we'll see if there's enough depth for those adjustments to result in the elite chaos unit we expected, or if the adjustments will simply be about keeping every game from being a shootout lol

 

[irishtrain]

I just dont care for the changes in the text and forum here about as much as I dont care for Freemans defensive philosophy of over complicated defense they both need fixing although I was very impressed with everything else about the Irish Sat especially team attitude-offense speaks for itself but Freeman will get burned here with this philosophy but he wont care because its just a stopover to a head job somewhere-bad combo

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I don't know if I buy the whole heat & humidity thing. First, South Bend was still hitting highs in the 90s up until about a week before the game. Humidity is obviously higher in Tallahassee than South Bend, but many days this summer it looks like it could only be 10-15% more humidity between the two areas. At kickoff it was 80 and later it dropped to 75. Again, humidity was definitely high that night, but it wasn't midday hot and it wasn't night and day different for our guys like Arizona dry heat vs. swamp heat. I'm pretty sure someone high up the chain commented about all that before the game too.

Im probably preaching to the wind but no matter what the temperature is if the relative humidity is high (80-100%) then you cant get cool becasue the air cant really absorb any more water vapor (which is how you cool down when you sweat-evaporative cooling). The air mass is full or near full. IF it was near full adn the temp drops then it becomes full by phsyics. You cant get cool, you are soaking wet from sweat that isnt going anywhere and I can almost garauntee the field level conditions were not air tempature conditions either. High humidity is oppressive and its like trying to walk through soup. It wears you down if you are used to it if you ever do get used to it.

Also to add a persons comfort in indoor or outdoor spaces is throughly connected to RH. My wife loves to leave windoows and screens open (some sick and twisted plot to piss me off) while the A/C is running. I can immediately tell she has done this by the feel of the house. I know what drier a/c cooled feels like and I know what heavy high RH in the same space feels like and its much more uncomfortable becasue the cooling my body experiencees has been altered.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

Im probalby preaching to the wind but no matter what the temperature is if the relative humidity is high (80-100%) then you cant get cool becasue the air cant really absorb any more water vapor (which is how you cool down when you sweat-evaporative cooling). The air mass is full or near full. You cant get cool, you are soaking wet from sweat that isnt going anywhere and I can almost garauntee the field level conditions were not air tempature conditions either. High humidity is oppressive and its like trying to walk through soup. It wears you down.

I moved from NW Indiana and now live in Central AL and I can certainly echo these thoughts…….I remember thinking it was humid in the summer in IN but it’s nothing compared to what you get here and I’m sure FL is the same or more so. It took me a little while to get used to the heat/humidity in AL, it’s constant sweating as soon as you step outside in the summer.

 

[Rockin’Irish]

I’ll say I was disappointed in the defensive showing against FSU but I’m still expecting to see some notable improvement over the next game or two by Freeman…….if it doesn’t happen, I’ll be getting my Jack Daniels IV ready……….

 

[Rogue219]

Clark Lea took over a program that was 0-8 during Covid 2020 and 3-9 the year before. He's coached one game and the Simple Simons are already calling his tenure a failure and claiming he was in line to take Kelly's seat at ND so he should have just stayed?

My goodness, our sports culture is a joke.

 

[NDohio]

I just dont care for the changes in the text and forum here about as much as I dont care for Freemans defensive philosophy of over complicated defense they both need fixing although I was very impressed with everything else about the Irish Sat especially team attitude-offense speaks for itself but Freeman will get burned here with this philosophy but he wont care because its just a stopover to a head job somewhere-bad combo

I miss DShans...

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I moved from NW Indiana and now live in Central AL and I can certainly echo these thoughts…….I remember thinking it was humid in the summer in IN but it’s nothing compared to what you get here and I’m sure FL is the same or more so. It took me a little while to get used to the heat/humidity in AL, it’s constant sweating as soon as you step outside in the summer.

Yeah its glorious when your house is air conditioned and your skin temp is near the house air temp... you walk outside and you are immediately wet becasue water vapor in the air condenses on your cold skin. Then it cant go anywhere becasue the outside air is so humid and hot it cant evaporate. Now you are wet and only going ot get more wet as you sweat. Viscous cylce.

 

[Some Irish Bloke]

Im probably preaching to the wind but no matter what the temperature is if the relative humidity is high (80-100%) then you cant get cool becasue the air cant really absorb any more water vapor (which is how you cool down when you sweat-evaporative cooling). The air mass is full or near full. IF it was near full adn the temp drops then it becomes full by phsyics. You cant get cool, you are soaking wet from sweat that isnt going anywhere and I can almost garauntee the field level conditions were not air tempature conditions either. High humidity is oppressive and its like trying to walk through soup. It wears you down if you are used to it if you ever do get used to it.

Also to add a persons comfort in indoor or outdoor spaces is throughly connected to RH. My wife loves to leave windoows and screens open (some sick and twisted plot to piss me off) while the A/C is running. I can immediately tell she has done this by the feel of the house. I know what drier a/c cooled feels like and I know what heavy high RH in the same space feels like and its much more uncomfortable becasue the cooling my body experiencees has been altered.

this may need to be moved to the wives thread, but what the actual fuck? lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

this may need to be moved to the wives thread, but what the actual fuck? lol

I wont derail any further but yeah she does it and it makes me crazy. Like furious and she is all like "I need fresh air!" Im like GTF outside then... and she is like "Its too hot outside" FML. I'm litearlly counting the money flying out of my house.

 

[RDU Irish]

All the $$ we spend and we can't get the Gug up to 95% humidity?

We are lucky it wasn't hotter on top of the humidity. Everyone wants to obsess about playing in the cold but don't seem to bat an eye at the southern schools training and playing in 90 degree heat and 90%+ humidity for months on end. I echo Cack's sentiment - large part of the A/C equation in the south is removing moisture which means longer run time with less cooling effect.

I was initially pretty negative on Freeman after/during the game. Still negative on the 3 man front and asking a bunch of DL to play LB. DL was supposed to be our strongest unit and really underperformed expectations dramatically.

 

[Irishize]

Fire Balis. Drink more Gatorade.

Body Armor > Gatorade

 

[IrishLion]

All the $$ we spend and we can't get the Gug up to 95% humidity?

We are lucky it wasn't hotter on top of the humidity. Everyone wants to obsess about playing in the cold but don't seem to bat an eye at the southern schools training and playing in 90 degree heat and 90%+ humidity for months on end. I echo Cack's sentiment - large part of the A/C equation in the south is removing moisture which means longer run time with less cooling effect.

I was initially pretty negative on Freeman after/during the game. Still negative on the 3 man front and asking a bunch of DL to play LB. DL was supposed to be our strongest unit and really underperformed expectations dramatically.

Hard disagree. Hinish and Foskey wrecked FSU's oline regularly, and both Ademilola's played well. Cross, Mills and Lacy all showed up with some nice plays when called upon. MTA was suspiciously quiet, but that's the only guy I can think of that didn't play really well against FSU's overmatched line.

I think the true issue, which you also highlighted, was the 3-man front they switched to. It shortened the rotation late in the game when they didn't really need to, but as I mentioned before, that may have been partly related to missing Liufau and Bothelo.

 

[Luckylucci]

Foskey had 8 tackles and 2 sacks. Looking like the future NFL’er he is. Hard for me to be too critical of him. Which made the decision to move to 3 down and move him was so perplexing. He’s looking like a game wrecker, let’s let him keep wrecking the game, lol.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Foskey had 8 tackles and 2 sacks. Looking like the future NFL’er he is. Hard for me to be too critical of him. Which made the decision to move to 3 down and move him was so perplexing. He’s looking like a game wrecker, let’s let him keep wrecking the game, lol.

Do you have any idea how many snaps he played?

 

[Luckylucci]

Do you have any idea how many snaps he played?

I don’t. I looked yesterday but I don’t think any of the sites had them up yet. I will when I do. I’m also interested in seeing the breakdown.