Kelly & Florida

[Whiskeyjack]

Sounds like some of the requirements for the future ND HC.

I wouldn't mind it. It would be great if BK was a little more this way.

Except for the whole "2nd dirtiest program in the nation" thing.

 

[NDohio]

Except for the whole "2nd dirtiest program in the nation" thing.

Absolutely!! Just the role Dabo plays as a CEO. I think Dabo is a little too hands off on the football side, but I kinda like the concept.

 

[phork]

Odds: Gundy, McElwain, Bob Stoops listed as favorites for Florida job - CBSSports.com

Posted again. BKs name doesn't appear on Bovadas name list. Take that for what its worth.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Coach I could see intriguing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Florida?src=hash">#Florida</a> brass: Gary Andersen. Doing well at WISC & heard he's highly regarded by key ppl w <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> connections.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/535878749061775360">November 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[T Town Tommy]

Not hearing Kelly mentioned at all down my way as far as the Fla job. He isn't making many "lists" nationally either so I don't believe he will be any type of serious candidate.

Dabo and Fedora are getting some more mention. Seems a lot of Gator fans don't want Stoops back as well. Doc Holliday keeps getting thrown out as a potential as well. Freeze and Jim Mc also in the conversation.

Will be interesting who Foley goes with.

 

[Irish#1]

In ISD Intel today they discussed why it was extremely unlikely that Kelly would make this move, discussing the specific hurdles and downsides and upside to the move. And then they talked about the four candidates they felt are at the top of Florida's list right now... Chip Kelly, Gus Malzahn, Hugh Freeze, and Stoops. We'll see if it gets past that group.

Chip Kelly lolz

No way unless his wife doesn't like him being gone 20X7X51.

 

[IrishLax]

Dabo Swinney couldn't win 7 games a year at ND. Would be the worst fit EVER.

 

[anarin]

I'm thinking doc holiday to UF

 

[NDohio]

Dabo Swinney couldn't win 7 games a year at ND. Would be the worst fit EVER.

I hope that is not what you think my intent was with my comments. The role Dabo plays is intriguing to me not Dabo himself.

 

[phgreek]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Coach I could see intriguing <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Florida?src=hash">#Florida</a> brass: Gary Andersen. Doing well at WISC & heard he's highly regarded by key ppl w <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a> connections.</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/535878749061775360">November 21, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I figured him for Michigan...hadn't thought of him for FL.

I think he is a pretty special coach...if folks would have seen the depths the Utah State program had fallen to...and what he did...wow.

players play their asses off for him, and he is smart enough to win at the x's and o's chess match with most coaches...which means he finds ways to win early, and then being in FL...ugh. He could build a real program....

 

[irishog77]

Gary Andersen is somebody that intrigues me in a couple of years. Mike MacIntyre as well. I'm curious to see how he does over the next couple of years and if he can get it turned around at Colorado.


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[Crazy Balki]

Dabo being the "CEO" of Clemson reminds a lot of how I and a lot of people see Kelly at ND. The way he runs the program is fantastic, but his on-field coaching decisions have been hit and miss for the most part. Especially this year, a lot more missing than hitting. ND desperately needs a good playcalling OC. I think BVG will get things sorted out with a year to get players up to speed and get healthier.

 

[Grahambo]

A little surprised Jim McElwain isn't getting much love for the FLA job. Look at the turn around of Colorado State. Plus he has a year of coaching in the pros and 4 years as Alabama's OC so he has the SEC experience.

Dabo is overrated. He and Bo Pelini remind me of each other. I think Stoops would go to Michigan before FLA. Chip isn't leaving the NFL and he's doing well there. McElwain isn't the splashy hire but he's a good coach.

Maybe T-Town can enlighten us on Mc?

 

[T Town Tommy]

A little surprised Jim McElwain isn't getting much love for the FLA job. Look at the turn around of Colorado State. Plus he has a year of coaching in the pros and 4 years as Alabama's OC so he has the SEC experience.

Dabo is overrated. He and Bo Pelini remind me of each other. I think Stoops would go to Michigan before FLA. Chip isn't leaving the NFL and he's doing well there. McElwain isn't the splashy hire but he's a good coach.

Maybe T-Town can enlighten us on Mc?

About the only knock on Mc is the fact that he seemed to be pretty conservative on offense while at Bama. Maybe a little unfair as he did have great RBs and average QBs. I thought he went conservative in the second half of games playcalling but he was probably told to do so by Saban. He has done a great job at Colo State and I agree that with his ties to the SEC already, he would be a safe hire. Somehow I think Foley is looking for something more from an offensive standpoint. But I would take Mc over someone like Dabo all day.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Bk at 6/1 on linesmakers

 

[phillyirish]

I don't know if this is more of wishful thinking by some of you? Cause some people here seem to think Brian Kelly already hit his ceiling and anybody could move in here and win 9 games consistently. But Brian Kelly is not leaving for Florida or any other college job. Maybe might leave here some time for the NFL, but not another college.

Are you guys really taking their list or the fans list seriously? Every time a major job becomes open there is a simple formula to follow. Take their top 10 list and cancel the top 7 guys off of it as they already have good jobs and are comfortable where they are. Also remove John Gruden if he isn't already on that list. That's the dreamers list. Next look at the secondary list, the dark horse guys who are doing a solid job at a mid-major or second tier school but aren't huge names. Yeah take that list and automatically put those candidates as the most likely to be hired.

Seriously guys are talking about Chip Kelly? Chip Kelly wouldn't leave the Eagles if they were 3-7 nonetheless 7-3.

 

[stlnd01]

Gary Andersen is somebody that intrigues me in a couple of years.

Yeah. If Kelly were to leave - for the NFL or Florida - Andersen would be near the top of my (realistic candidates) list. Even right now.

 

[pkt77242]

A little surprised Jim McElwain isn't getting much love for the FLA job. Look at the turn around of Colorado State. Plus he has a year of coaching in the pros and 4 years as Alabama's OC so he has the SEC experience.

Dabo is overrated. He and Bo Pelini remind me of each other. I think Stoops would go to Michigan before FLA. Chip isn't leaving the NFL and he's doing well there. McElwain isn't the splashy hire but he's a good coach.

Maybe T-Town can enlighten us on Mc?

I have been saying this for a while. McElwain is the best mid-major coach out there this year, and I really hope that Michigan doesn't hire him.

 

[NCDomer]

I just look at the ND graduation rates and assume they are smarter players. Now, you always have a young kid do dumb sh!t (Tommy Rees) and ND even has it's bigger offenders (Will Mahone) but for the most part, it seems ND gets individuals that make better decisions.

It has nothing to do with player smarts. Intelligence is relatively equal. It's that the players who come to ND came from a different upbringing that stressed the importance of thinking long term. That tends to be the case with students in general who are at the more elite institutions. I don't question that those at the directional schools of the world could hack it at the elite schools provided they focus their efforts appropriately. BUT that's the kicker. Most would rather get drunk, high, chase a$$, watch mindless tv and other things that satisfy an immediate want or desire. This limits their potential to demonstrate their smarts/intelligence.

 

[Grahambo]

I have been saying this for a while. McElwain is the best mid-major coach out there this year, and I really hope that Michigan doesn't hire him.

Dare I say this..if BK does go to the NFL (Which I doubt and don't want but you never know), I wouldn't be upset at Jim Mc being brought in.

 

[koonja]

I think we're safe, lol.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Jim McElwain/CSU cleared up buyout issues, McElwain agrees to be UF’s coach sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ClowESPN">@ClowESPN</a></p>— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/540524440757731328">December 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[irishandy]

Now ND has to keep Alford at ND.

 

[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Jim McElwain/CSU cleared up buyout issues, McElwain agrees to be UF’s coach sources told <a href="https://twitter.com/ClowESPN">@ClowESPN</a></p>— Brett McMurphy (@McMurphyESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status/540524440757731328">December 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Wow that was close.

 

[shalom]

It has nothing to do with player smarts. Intelligence is relatively equal. It's that the players who come to ND came from a different upbringing that stressed the importance of thinking long term. That tends to be the case with students in general who are at the more elite institutions. I don't question that those at the directional schools of the world could hack it at the elite schools provided they focus their efforts appropriately. BUT that's the kicker. Most would rather get drunk, high, chase a$$, watch mindless tv and other things that satisfy an immediate want or desire. This limits their potential to demonstrate their smarts/intelligence.

Doesn't Notre Dame have a freshman calculus requirement? That alone makes this entire argument ridiculous.

The average football player going to Florida or 'bama is not going to be able to do that straight up, even with all the tutors and institutional support that Notre Dame provides athletes. Test scores and school transcripts and things state unequivocally that the students recruited (never mind matriculating) at ND or Stanford are smarter. You have a point about a lot of these guys not even bothering to try, but that doesn't say anything about them being as smart. That's like saying... I know this guy is as fast as that other guy who ran a faster time, because I think the first guy wasn't really trying.

If you're speculating you can go in any range of directions, for example you can argue that dumber people are more likely to do the "drunk high" stuff you see at SEC schools, there are cultural-blind studies that link violence or crime to IQ. But just as likely is the fact that Notre Dame takes student conduct violations more seriously than somewhere like FSU or Auburn, that explanation is more straightforward than the touchy feely stuff about social IQ

What you can say is that kids at Notre Dame and other elite schools are mostly affluent, while football players in the SEC, and athletes in general are more likely to be poorer than the average Notre Dame student. Generally being more wealthy than average plus smarter are probably the most glaring differences at a place like ND or Stanford.