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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Late update: Dave Doeren has a potential deal with Tennessee, according to sources, and an improved offer from N.C. State. He is expected to make a decision on Thursday</p>— Joe Giglio (@jwgiglio) <a href="https://twitter.com/jwgiglio/status/936101702347960321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Vols fans don't want him and they are rioting again on twitter. And why would they? He sucks, and is a crybaby. This is the most insane coaching search ever.

Crybaby, yes. Bad coach? I'm not so sure.

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2017: 32
2016: 28
2015: 49
2014: 55
2013: 92

He's taken a bad team and turned them into a program that teams can't overlook on their schedule. Honestly, UTjr is not a premier program in the country anymore and somebody like Doeren is about the best they're going to do, IMO.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Late update: Dave Doeren has a potential deal with Tennessee, according to sources, and an improved offer from N.C. State. He is expected to make a decision on Thursday</p>— Joe Giglio (@jwgiglio) <a href="https://twitter.com/jwgiglio/status/936101702347960321?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Vols fans don't want him and they are rioting again on twitter. And why would they? He sucks, and is a crybaby. This is the most insane coaching search ever.


If they successfully block this from happening, then they truly deserve what ever crappy coach they end up hiring.
 

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Lane being Lane. LOL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/RDLQk3cxIh">pic.twitter.com/RDLQk3cxIh</a></p>— Lane Kiffin (@Lane_Kiffin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Short and Fat Kim "turned down" job at Tennessee! Truth is he begged me for a VISA and I said No!
 

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Honestly, UTjr is not a premier program in the country anymore

People were saying the same thing about Bama in the early 2000s. They've had a rough few years but they are still a top 15 job, arguably top 10.
 

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Well somehow Tennessee's coaching search is unifying Volnation in supporting Lane Kiffin.

Over 97% don't want Doeren
Over 90% want Kiffin
 

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Kevin Sumlin would have killed in that job. Instead they go hire Herm Edwards?

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People were saying the same thing about Bama in the early 2000s. They've had a rough few years but they are still a top 15 job, arguably top 10.

But are they? Right now DD is taking time to decide between staying at NC State and Tenn. If Tenn was still a great job then there should be no thinking about it. If Tenn is a top ten job then Mike Gundy should have jumped at it. OSU is no where near a top ten-fifteen job.

From the outside looking in it might be considered a great job but obviously in the coaching circle it is not as they are struggling to find someone to take the job. That speaks volumes to me.
 

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Lane being Lane. LOL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/RDLQk3cxIh">pic.twitter.com/RDLQk3cxIh</a></p>— Lane Kiffin (@Lane_Kiffin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936028243177754624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Might be Kiffin's greatest work.
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At this rate Tennessee should really consider bringing Fulmer back. There's some talk of bringing him in as AD, but they'd probably kill for Fulmer's 10-3, 11-2 seasons again.
 

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The dog meme actually appeared last time Tennessee went on the prowl for a coach and enjoyed the same Grudenesque buildup and the Butch Jones denouement.
 

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Well somehow Tennessee's coaching search is unifying Volnation in supporting Lane Kiffin.

Over 97% don't want Doeren
Over 90% want Kiffin

Was this compiled on Twitter/Instagram/Tinder?

I doubt the 90% takes into account any blue hairs over the age of 40.
 

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Was this compiled on Twitter/Instagram/Tinder?

I doubt the 90% takes into account any blue hairs over the age of 40.

Volnation message board. Basically IE's equivalent. Obviously it doesn't include the blue hairs and big donor's. I thought it was interesting nonetheless that the Volnation message board was that unified against Doeren and that unified for Kiffin.

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I guess I didn't realize that I'm a "blue hair" if you consider anyone above 40 to fall underneath that term. LOL
 

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Volnation message board. Basically IE's equivalent. Obviously it doesn't include the blue hairs and big donor's. I thought it was interesting nonetheless that the Volnation message board was that unified against Doeren and that unified for Kiffin.

I think you’re giving way too much credit to a message board. Big money boosters were behind a lot of the backlash. At least that’s what is being said here in east TN. Seems like there is a power struggle going on right now.

Edit: read your post wrong. Thought you infected the message board was responsible for the Schiano change.
 

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Volnation message board. Basically IE's equivalent. Obviously it doesn't include the blue hairs and big donor's. I thought it was interesting nonetheless that the Volnation message board was that unified against Doeren and that unified for Kiffin.

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I guess I didn't realize that I'm a "blue hair" if you consider anyone above 40 to fall underneath that term. LOL

dont let him give you too much crap, hes a blue hair and he's on twitter!
 

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Crybaby, yes. Bad coach? I'm not so sure.

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2017: 32
2016: 28
2015: 49
2014: 55
2013: 92

He's taken a bad team and turned them into a program that teams can't overlook on their schedule. Honestly, UTjr is not a premier program in the country anymore and somebody like Doeren is about the best they're going to do, IMO.

Before he got there --
2012: 68
2011: 74
2010: 22

Average before = 55, Average after = 51. Even if you discount his disastrous first year it's only 41. That's quite mediocre, and his record in conference and against good teams is very poor.
 

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People were saying the same thing about Bama in the early 2000s. They've had a rough few years but they are still a top 15 job, arguably top 10.

If I think about administration commitment to winning, facilities, fan base enthusiasm, expectations, schedule and recruiting, this is how I would rank.

No doubt better roles:

Bama
OSU
UF
USC
UGA
Texas
Clemson

Most would rate these jobs better:

LSU
A&M
Oklahoma
ND
Michigan
FSU

Debatable:

Penn State
UCLA
Washington


I would rate them top 20 for sure, but no higher than 15. The issue right now is that fan base looks like loonies.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tennessee fans rush to sign petition calling for Lane Kiffin's return to Rocky Top. Only 1500?? ����. I have 2000 for Kim Jung un!!!! Address to send it to??? <a href="https://twitter.com/finebaum?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@finebaum</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayTravis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ClayTravis</a> <a href="https://t.co/tUtg9iWHdg">https://t.co/tUtg9iWHdg</a></p>— Lane Kiffin (@Lane_Kiffin) <a href="https://twitter.com/Lane_Kiffin/status/936238021443235840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I hated Lane Kiifin as a big time CFB coach... I love him as an internet troll...
 

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Before he got there --
2012: 68
2011: 74
2010: 22

Average before = 55, Average after = 51. Even if you discount his disastrous first year it's only 41. That's quite mediocre, and his record in conference and against good teams is very poor.

One of the best in the Game....when playing in a Hurricane against a passing team.
 

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But are they? Right now DD is taking time to decide between staying at NC State and Tenn. If Tenn was still a great job then there should be no thinking about it. If Tenn is a top ten job then Mike Gundy should have jumped at it. OSU is no where near a top ten-fifteen job.

From the outside looking in it might be considered a great job but obviously in the coaching circle it is not as they are struggling to find someone to take the job. That speaks volumes to me.

Right. Alabama's run of: a positional (DL) coach, WAC head coach, lowest tier Pac-10 head coach who was 5 games over .500, and another positional (QB) coach screams, "We have the biggest dicks in the country and are a dominant program!"
 

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Right. Alabama's run of: a positional (DL) coach, WAC head coach, lowest tier Pac-10 head coach who was 5 games over .500, and another positional (QB) coach screams, "We have the biggest dicks in the country and are a dominant program!"

OK.. Everybody has some bad hires, the question I would have is during those bad hires who were they turned down by? Different era so we don't really know. Eventually they were able to entice the GOAT to come coach them. Tennessee has been turned by: Gundy, Morris, Brohm, Mullen, Gruden and who knows who else knows. Mullen took a job that is better than UT. Leaving Purdue, OSU or SMU!?!? should be no brainers for a top 10-15 job. That just seems like the job isn't as highly thought of in the coaching circle as fans want to think it is.
 

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If I think about administration commitment to winning, facilities, fan base enthusiasm, expectations, schedule and recruiting, this is how I would rank.

No doubt better roles:

Bama
OSU
UF
USC
UGA
Texas
Clemson

Most would rate these jobs better:

LSU
A&M
Oklahoma
ND
Michigan
FSU

Debatable:

Penn State
UCLA
Washington


I would rate them top 20 for sure, but no higher than 15. The issue right now is that fan base looks like loonies.

You've sort of proven my point. I'm talking about more than the immediacy of now. The fact that you have Clemson in a group above Notre Dame, Michigan, and Florida State shows that this list is based on what teams have done lately. That isn't normal. Clemson has been a joke for most everyone's life. In 2004 you would've made the same post about Bama, because they had been mediocre to terrible for years. Teams have bad stretches, but to imply Tennessee's current disfunction is going to be the new historical norm for them is unlikely.

Also: UCLA? Bro.
 
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OK.. Everybody has some bad hires, the question I would have is during those bad hires who were they turned down by? Different era so we don't really know. Eventually they were able to entice the GOAT to come coach them. Tennessee has been turned by: Gundy, Morris, Brohm, Mullen, Gruden and who knows who else knows. Mullen took a job that is better than UT. Leaving Purdue, OSU or SMU!?!? should be no brainers for a top 10-15 job. That just seems like the job isn't as highly thought of in the coaching circle as fans want to think it is.

One very important thing to remember here folks... Tennessee is getting turned down by these coaches because of the $$$ being offered. Everyone of those coaches takes the job if UT offered $7.5M.

Dollar for dollar, Tennessee is a Top 15ish destination job. At the moment because of the AD and the $$$ being offered, it's not. If Tom Jurich had been the AD there and he had hired James Franklin away from Vandy in 2013 instead of PSU, the Vols are a CFP contender right now. Tennessee is a sleeping giant.
 

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I think UCLA is up there but agree with grey for the most part... UT is a historical blue blood that has been down. Nebraska is in the same place for the most part but either can get back with one great hire and yeah, people were laughing at Bama prior to Satan going there.
 

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One very important thing to remember here folks... Tennessee is getting turned down by these coaches because of the $$$ being offered. Everyone of those coaches takes the job if UT offered $7.5M.

Dollar for dollar, Tennessee is a Top 15ish destination job. At the moment because of the AD and the $$$ being offered, it's not. If Tom Jurich had been the AD there and he had hired James Franklin away from Vandy in 2013 instead of PSU, the Vols are a CFP contender right now. Tennessee is a sleeping giant.

Is the Jones buyout weighing them down a la Willingham's when ND lowballed Meyer?
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tennessee fans want Dave Doeren to take his NC State extension. NC State fans want Dave Doeren to take the Tennessee offer.</p>— Barrett Sallee (@BarrettSallee) <a href="https://twitter.com/BarrettSallee/status/936252719278551040?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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I think UCLA is up there but agree with grey for the most part... UT is a historical blue blood that has been down. Nebraska is in the same place for the most part but either can get back with one great hire and yeah, people were laughing at Bama prior to Satan going there.

The difference between Tennessee and Nebraska used to be little. Now it's huge. Tennessee is an easy drive from A LOT of HS talent. It's what, 3 hrs to Atlanta?

Nebraska is not. Nebraska hasn't been the same since it left the Big 8/12 identity... ie it's Midlands dominance, it's ability to go into Texas becuz of conference footprint and its ability to go coast to coast for impact players like Mike Rosier, Irving Fryer, Tommy Frazier & Lawrence Phillips.
 

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You've sort of proven my point. I'm talking about more than the immediacy of now. The fact that you have Clemson in a group above Notre Dame, Michigan, and Florida State shows that this list is based on what teams have done lately. That isn't normal. Clemson has been a joke for most everyone's life. In 2004 you would've made the same post about Bama, because they had been mediocre to terrible for years. Teams have bad stretches, but to imply Tennessee's current disfunction is going to be the new historical norm for them is unlikely.

Also: UCLA? Bro.

The difference between now and 15 years ago W/R/T Clemson and Bama is the commitment to the program. 15 years ago Clemson would not have dreamed of having a lazy river nor would have Alabama dreamed of having a football staff rival the size of the engineering department (hyperbole). The schools are committed in ways that it never was, same with A&M.

I never said UT was doomed for mediocrity, but the fact that the current admin appears to be downplaying football -- while rivals and other regional players are continuing to up the ante -- makes it less attractive. All the while the fan base is pissed about it and the vitriol can often be targeted at the team instead of the admin. It would take quite the premium for me to want to go to UT over other places.

Finally, UCLA....yep. First, LA. Next, great spot to be in for crootin. Then, Dan Guerrero is committed to spending for success....Wasserman Football Center is awesome. Chip Kelly will make top 15ish money and, last I saw, UCLA had the largest assistant salary pool in the Pac 12. To top that all off, the pressure isn't nearly as great as other schools. Great spot to land.
 

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The difference between Tennessee and Nebraska used to be little. Now it's huge. Tennessee is an easy drive from A LOT of HS talent. It's what, 3 hrs to Atlanta?

Nebraska is not. Nebraska hasn't been the same since it left the Big 8/12 identity... ie it's Midlands dominance, it's ability to go into Texas becuz of conference footprint and its ability to go coast to coast for impact players like Mike Rosier, Irving Fryer, Tommy Frazier & Lawrence Phillips.

Yeah the move certainly hurt them...
 

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Who would want to coach for that fan base? They have ran two HCs out of town in a month. I would not want to go to a job where I was the 12th option. At this point they are only going to be satisfied with Kiffin or Tee and who knows if they have already turned it down. While the program has a lot of potential, the fans turn on you first chance they get and their weak administration has now proven to give in to the fan base.
 
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