Head Coaching Carousel

[Ndaccountant]

I think UCLA is up there but agree with grey for the most part... UT is a historical blue blood that has been down. Nebraska is in the same place for the most part but either can get back with one great hire and yeah, people were laughing at Bama prior to Satan going there.

But what Saban built in terms of football infrastructure is unparalleled. When Saban finally does go, Bama will be able to pluck nearly any coach it wants.

 

[ACamp1900]

But what Saban built in terms of football infrastructure is unparalleled. When Saban finally does go, Bama will be able to pluck nearly any coach it wants.

Eh, other programs have rolled like this in the past... and the next coach better keep things going. Most likely scenario is this level of success leaves with NS...

 

[Bishop2b5]

But what Saban built in terms of football infrastructure is unparalleled. When Saban finally does go, Bama will be able to pluck nearly any coach it wants.

We're hoping Dabo takes the "When Mama calls" approach and comes home.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Eh, other programs have rolled like this in the past... and the next coach better keep things going. Most likely scenario is this level of success leaves with NS...

I think you are conflating the infrastructure with Wins / Losses. The coach will most likely fail to match Saban's W/L, but the infrastructure and resources will remain. Those resources are critical. Why do you think A&M can even dream about stealing a national title winning coach away from a blue blood program? Because A&M plays with monopoly money while FSU comparatively counts pennies.

 

[ACamp1900]

I think you are conflating the infrastructure with Wins / Losses. The coach will most likely fail to match Saban's W/L, but the infrastructure and resources will remain. Those resources are critical. Why do you think A&M can even dream about stealing a national title winning coach away from a blue blood program? Because A&M plays with monopoly money while FSU comparatively counts pennies.

Okay, but to say it's unparalleled is a bit of a stretch... there are schools out there with world class facilities and boats of money...

 

[Ndaccountant]

Okay, but to say it's unparalleled is a bit of a stretch... there are schools out there with world class facilities and boats of money...

Unparalleled? The spend SIGNIFICANTLY more than anyone else.

Side note - UT could do it, but the admin refuses. Hence, why they struggle. If and when they decide to move on it, they can do the same thing as Bama.

 

[irishog77]

OK.. Everybody has some bad hires, the question I would have is during those bad hires who were they turned down by? Different era so we don't really know. Eventually they were able to entice the GOAT to come coach them. Tennessee has been turned by: Gundy, Morris, Brohm, Mullen, Gruden and who knows who else knows. Mullen took a job that is better than UT. Leaving Purdue, OSU or SMU!?!? should be no brainers for a top 10-15 job. That just seems like the job isn't as highly thought of in the coaching circle as fans want to think it is.

True, different era. But I'm not sure we actually "know" more than what we did on coaching hires 10 or 15 years ago. For instance, the report yesterday that Currie had a deal done with Brohm, only to be nixed by the chancellor, has been largely debunked...but people seem to be taking it as a gospel truth. The info out there we are privy to goes both ways- true and false.

And there are always multiple reasons for coaches to take and turn down jobs. It's not like all these hirings exist in vacuums. Using Brohm as an example again, he would likely leave Purdue today if offered the louisville or ND job because those are believed to be 2 jobs he covets. The ut job isn't. So then it comes down to him taking the ut job at ____ salary now for at least 4-5 years, or keeping the Purdue job at his current salary (plus maybe a bump for other schools sniffing around on him)...but then maybe getting the louisville or ND (or another) job in 1-2 years. It's not like kiffen left ut to take the usc job because ut sucks and usc is awesome. He left because that was his dream job and they coincidentally had an opening. There was very little chance kiffen would have left the ut job for arizona state, west virginia, auburn, etc.

The biggest problem with ut and their current coaching hire stems solely from the Schiano debacle. The AD (and his advisors- Manning, Fulmer, Jimmy Haslam) had his guy. Then the children began to cry and chaos has sort of followed ever since. It's an extremely unique and unpredictable situation, but not one that is indicative of the job. Just like the sex scandals of mike dubose and mike price at alabama weren't indicative of the alabama job...nor the penchant of auburn and cheating and their coaching hires...ND hiring a guy that lied on his resume...arkansas hiring Dana Altman as their BBall coach and him leaving 2 days later...etc., etc.

 

[NDdomer2]

Unparalleled? The spend SIGNIFICANTLY more than anyone else.

Side note - UT could do it, but the admin refuses. Hence, why they struggle. If and when they decide to move on it, they can do the same thing as Bama.

this chart doesnt show them spending significantly more than others...actually 7 of the 13 noted spent more than UT. putting them in the bottom half.

 

[IrishLax]

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[gkIrish]

BK to FSU pleaaaaaaase

 

[irishfan]

BK to FSU pleaaaaaaase

Lane to ND?

Italics but I wouldn't hate it....

 

[pkt77242]

this chart doesnt show them spending significantly more than others...actually 7 of the 13 noted spent more than UT. putting them in the bottom half.

He was saying that Alabama spends more then everyone else and that Tennessee could do that as well if they would just open their pocketbook.

 

[pkt77242]

Unparalleled? The spend SIGNIFICANTLY more than anyone else.

Side note - UT could do it, but the admin refuses. Hence, why they struggle. If and when they decide to move on it, they can do the same thing as Bama.

I would like to see how Ohio State, Mochigan and Texas compare to Alabama in the past few years.

 

[pkt77242]

BK to FSU pleaaaaaaase

Then who do you want ND to hire?

 

[zelezo vlk]

BK to FSU pleaaaaaaase

Or to the Ducks?

 

[pkt77242]

He's talking about bama and it only shows one conference...they're not unparalleled.

NCAA | Finances | USA TODAY Sports

Is that all sports programs? If so it makes it hard to make a comparison.

 

[ACamp1900]

Is that all sports programs? If so it makes it hard to make a comparison.

It's all sports I think, tho we know where the vast majority of that money comes from and goes to... I've seen stuff about just football and the revenue they bring in... most of that is the Saban effect (a result of the run they're on)... that'll dissipate once he leaves too.

 

[T Town Tommy]

It's all sports I think... I've seen stuff about just football and the revenue they bring in... most of that is the Saban effect (a result of the run they're on)... that'll dissipate once he leaves too.

Maybe. Depends on the hire and how successful they are. If Dabo comes home, I don't think Bama slips very much. Saban cleaned up the generational swine that was entrenched in the program once he started winning. With winning came the power. Dabo can walk in and pretty much just take the keys and keep rolling. I do think there aren't but 2-3 coaches out there that could do that however.

 

[snoopdog]

Imagine if BK did leave FSU. Our pretty decent recruiting year would be as vulnerable as hell

 

[gkIrish]

Then who do you want ND to hire?

I dunno. Jeff Brohm maybe.

 

[snoopdog]

I dunno ........is probably the best answer right now

 

[ACamp1900]

Imagine if BK did leave FSU. Our pretty decent recruiting year would be as vulnerable as hell

I mean honestly, most of our very good/better recruiting classes over the last decade have fallen apart in one way or another, very few have held together nicely through the entire process.

 

[Ndaccountant]

I would like to see how Ohio State, Mochigan and Texas compare to Alabama in the past few years.

Ohio State athletics budget: 6 things to know

Bama spent nearly $19m MORE than OSU....which is 50% of what OSU spent.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/2015/12/22/10642206/texas-longhorns-athletic-department-profits

doing the math, Texas is around $30m in expenses too.

I will look later for others if I get the time.

Point stands, Bama spends like no one else.

 

[IrishLax]

At this point basically all the guys I like have been scooped... Moorhead, Mullen, etc.... so I say it's NFL or bust if we had to make a replacement hire.

 

[zelezo vlk]

At this point basically all the guys I like have been scooped... Moorhead, Mullen, etc.... so I say it's NFL or bust if we had to make a replacement hire.

And the only NFL candidates available immediately are not the ones you'd want to hire.

 

[T Town Tommy]

At this point basically all the guys I like have been scooped... Moorhead, Mullen, etc.... so I say it's NFL or bust if we had to make a replacement hire.

I think J. Fuente could be a possibility. I like him as a coach and he only makes a little more than $3 mil a year I believe.

 

[Ndaccountant]

It's all sports I think, tho we know where the vast majority of that money comes from and goes to... I've seen stuff about just football and the revenue they bring in... most of that is the Saban effect (a result of the run they're on)... that'll dissipate once he leaves too.

Comparing total is apples and oranges.

WRT to Saban, if the team starts to falter, donations and ticket sales may fall. But with media rights continuing to rise and profit generation as it is, the impact to their expenses could be minimal.

 

[ab2cmiller]

No way should we hire someone from the NFL. Overly complex offensive schemes and overly complex defensive schemes seem to be the norm. Maybe it could work if they were only in the NFL and away from the college game a couple of years.

 

[gkIrish]

I dunno ........is probably the best answer right now

At this point basically all the guys I like have been scooped... Moorhead, Mullen, etc.... so I say it's NFL or bust if we had to make a replacement hire.

Yeah this issue is we waited too long and now it's too late barring a late surprise. Brohm is the only guy with upside that we can get at this point but I'm not sold on him.

 

[Wild Bill]

Yeah this issue is we waited too long and now it's too late barring a late surprise. Brohm is the only guy with upside that we can get at this point but I'm not sold on him.

What about Frost?

Maybe having limited options will force them to open up the pocket book. Quietly offer $8M per year to Urban, Stoops or Peterson. Maybe one bites.