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This might be an interesting topic. Any thoughts, stories, suggestions for our Presidential candidates/Congress?

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Strange world we live in when we have a guy who's running for President as a Republican and he's the one who is talking about bringing jobs back from overseas and the Socialist doesn't. When this was my field of study, only Orwell could have written this.
 

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You shoulda just titled it people who aren't voting for Sanders.

/exits thread.

Exactly the opposite. Hard-working (but underpaid) Americans form the basis of Bernie's support. Trump appeals to hard-working Americans who have seen their standard of living drop off because of stagnant wages or loss of manufacturing jobs. Sanders appeals to hard-working Americans who are out of work or working a minimum wage job, particular young Americans who are looking for an opportunity to join the work force.

Well-paid and hard-working are not synonymous. And likewise unemployed or minimum wage earners are not synonymous with lazy workers.

There are hard-working Americans at all income levels. There are also lazy Americans at all income levels. Visit any golf course during the week and you will find some well-paid workers who are not the hardest workers out there.
 

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Exactly the opposite. Hard-working (but underpaid) Americans form the basis of Bernie's support. Trump appeals to hard-working Americans who have seen their standard of living drop off because of stagnant wages or loss of manufacturing jobs. Sanders appeals to hard-working Americans who are out of work or working a minimum wage job, particular young Americans who are looking for an opportunity to join the work force.

Well-paid and hard-working are not synonymous. And likewise unemployed or minimum wage earners are not synonymous with lazy workers.

There are hard-working Americans at all income levels. There are also lazy Americans at all income levels. Visit any golf course during the week and you will find some well-paid workers who are not the hardest workers out there.

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I thought this might be an interesting and insightful topic. Any thoughts, stories, suggestions on how our Presidential candidates/Congress need to work towards the challenges this term means to all of us?

I think Americans need to learn how to craft better sentences.
 
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Strange world we live in when we have a guy who's running for President as a Republican and he's the one who is talking about bringing jobs back from overseas and the Socialist doesn't. When this was my field of study, only Orwell could have written this.

I assume you're talking about Trump and Sanders? In which case, their opposition to things like NAFTA, TPP, etc and general economic protectionism are things they have in common.
 

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Many Americans don't even know who or what they are voting for. In the primary voting station I witnessed both a Bernie and Trump supporter not knowing what party their candidate belonged to. My 11 yr old daughter had to show the 40-something year old Trump supporter how to fill out the election ballot. It's pretty amazing how uneducated the average voter is on the issues when they don't know what party the person they are voting for is from.
 

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My initial read of the OP was what politicians should be made to do in order to better appreciate their constituents.

Volunteer Income Tax Assistance (VITA) is an IRS program that facilitates volunteers doing taxes for folks making under $50k. Make all politicians take the training exams and work a couple shifts per year. Might appreciate the stupidity of our tax code a little more.

Maybe shadow Mike Rowe on some dirty jobs. Undercover Boss type of stuff within their districts. How great would that be watching Nancy Pelosi clean porta-potties in San Fran or Ted Cruz birth cows in Texas. Show me you can get your hands dirty punks.
 

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Exactly the opposite. Hard-working (but underpaid) Americans form the basis of Bernie's support. Trump appeals to hard-working Americans who have seen their standard of living drop off because of stagnant wages or loss of manufacturing jobs. Sanders appeals to hard-working Americans who are out of work or working a minimum wage job, particular young Americans who are looking for an opportunity to join the work force.

Well-paid and hard-working are not synonymous. And likewise unemployed or minimum wage earners are not synonymous with lazy workers.

There are hard-working Americans at all income levels. There are also lazy Americans at all income levels. Visit any golf course during the week and you will find some well-paid workers who are not the hardest workers out there.

I have to disagree with this part as it is too general of a statement. You will find me on the course once or twice a week during the summer months entertaining some of my clients, yet I will put in another 70 hours of work outside of the entertainment time. Just because I am on the golf course during "normal" working hours does not mean I am not working hard during the "normal" relaxing hours.
 

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99.99% of the lazy guys on the golf course all week got there by working hard, smart or risky.

The other .01% are your run of the mill trust fund babies and lottery winners.
 

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6 banks just lost more than $200 million on the Pfizer-Allergan collapse

The Pfizer-Allergan merger, a deal that would have been worth $160 billion, has officially been scrapped — and it's bad news for investment banks.

The US Treasury Department on Monday tightened the rules around tax inversions, the type of transaction Pfizer was trying to pull off with Allergan.

US President Barack Obama spoke out against tax inversions a day later, saying these deals hurt ordinary Americans.

Through inversions, US companies merge with competitors outside the country so they can officially be located overseas and thus lower their tax bills.

Inversion "makes hardworking Americans feel like the deck is stacked against them," he said.

Now the two companies have called the deal off, and their advisers could lose 90% of the $236 million in fees they had been due, according to the consulting firm Freeman & Co.

Goldman Sachs, Centerview Partners, Guggenheim, and Moelis had been advising Pfizer on the deal, while JPMorgan and Morgan Stanley were working for Allergan.

Pfizer's advisers were expected to be paid a combined $94 million in fees, while Allergan's advisers were set to receive $142 million, according to Freeman. It is possible that Allergan's advisers will get a cut of the termination fee that Pfizer pays Allergan.

The measures announced Monday targeted something called earnings stripping, a way of jacking up interest payments to lower tax bills.

Another deal — the proposed merger of Halliburton and Baker Hughes — is also at risk of derailing this week. The US Department of Justice is reportedly readying an antitrust lawsuit to block that merger.

The three banks advising on that deal — Bank of America, Credit Suisse, and Goldman Sachs — are due to receive $110 million in fees and could lose the bulk of it if the deal unravels.
 

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Tears in my beer(s) ...

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... over financial fees forfeited for finagling.
 

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Or, we could have competitive corporate tax rates. How much is 0% of 9 gazillion dollars of money earned by a "US company" held in foreign country?
I'm guessing they won't be relocating to the USA with these new inversion laws. At least we won't feel screwed by the company.
 

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Or, we could have competitive corporate tax rates. How much is 0% of 9 gazillion dollars of money earned by a "US company" held in foreign country?
I'm guessing they won't be relocating to the USA with these new inversion laws. At least we won't feel screwed by the company.

Competitive corporate tax rates are important, but Europe is in an uproar about how corporations like Facebook, who had revenues of 105 billion pounds, ended up paying 4,327 pounds in tax to the U.K., which has lowered their corporate tax rate to 21%. Is that about 0.01% in taxes for Facebook?

As a result, European countries are pursuing Apple, as another example, for back taxes due to Apple's tax avoidance practices. That could cost Apple $8 billion - the size of a Fortune 500 company. Apple's foreign tax rate is 1.8%. Each country can set its own tax rates. But the European Commission reviews tax rates and deals to determine if any country is obtaining unfair competitive advantages and has the power to levy fines, increasing tax rates. The Commission is expected to increase Apple's tax rate to 12.5% from the 1.8%

Opinion: Why Apple is likely to end up paying that estimated $8B European back-tax bill – and more

Luxembourg, with its tax deals attracting hundreds of corporations, has benefited to the point where it is now second only to the U.S. in global investment center. $95 billion of profits flowed through Luxembourg in 2012 and the tax on that was 1.1%. Luxembourg's corporate tax rate is 29%.

As a result, the Organization of Economic Co-Operation and Development (OECD), which has 34 member countries across the globe, is acting to stop Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS), which is what is being done by these corporations in tax avoidance schemes.
Base Erosion and Profit Shifting (BEPS) refers to tax planning strategies that exploit these gaps and mismatches in tax rules to artificially shift profits to low or no-tax locations where there is little or no economic activity, resulting in little or no overall corporate tax being paid. BEPS is of major significance for developing countries due to their heavy reliance on corporate income tax, particularly from multinational enterprises (MNEs).
Research undertaken since 2013 confirms the potential magnitude of the BEPS problem. Estimates conservatively indicate annual losses of anywhere from 4 - 10% of global corporate income tax (CIT) revenues, i.e. USD 100 to 240 billion annually.
All interested countries and jurisdictions will unite the efforts of the international community led to the initiative of the OECD and the G20 to address shortcomings of the international tax system

In short, internationally it is becoming more expensive and more difficult for corporations to continue to pay 1-2% taxes despite a country's tax rate of 12-29%. U.S. corporations who have inverted and would pay a high tax rate (35%) should they move those profits back to the U.S. As a result of these changes going on, these multinational corporations are looking at moving money back to the U.S. as a possible alternative - at the right price. The Republican Presidential candidates proposals are for a 10% "repatriation fee" on revenue moved back to the U.S. Some feel that is rewarding corporations, who avoided a 35% tax on their revenue when they moved it overseas through the inversion, to pay only 10% to return it.

Where does the Hard-Working American taxpayer fit into this? He or she pays their taxes every tax filing deadline - and it is not 1-2%.
 
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Unless you physically/medically cannot work, I should not have to give you dime. What's mine is not yours. We're not a team we are two different individuals who may or may not have the same responsibilities.

How anyone can see this any differently is beyond me.
 

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Many Americans don't even know who or what they are voting for. In the primary voting station I witnessed both a Bernie and Trump supporter not knowing what party their candidate belonged to. My 11 yr old daughter had to show the 40-something year old Trump supporter how to fill out the election ballot. It's pretty amazing how uneducated the average voter is on the issues when they don't know what party the person they are voting for is from.

Aka 90% of Trump supporters. Some may know what party he is involved with but they are clueless when it comes to what he stands for.
 

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How much do you know about Trump's ideas for turning things around?

Nothing because he never talks about them. He talks about what he thinks is wrong and says he's going to fix it, but he has zero substance. On the few occasions he tried to go any deeper he embarrassed himself.
 

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How much do you know about Trump's ideas for turning things around?

Things Trump has said that I agree with:

  • Takes the populist stance against corruption in D.C.
  • Piss poor trade deals have aided in the extraction of jobs in America.
  • Big Pharm needs to be fixed, ie, open up borders to allow competition with prices.
  • End carried interest loophole.
  • War in Iraq was a huge mistake.*
  • Calls out the corrupt media.**

*Like most Trump-stances, he's flip-flopped on this. He was originally for it. But he landed some punches at a debate when he called out Bush and anyone affiliated with how badly they botched the war. He gets points for that in my book.

**This is very ironic for me to list considering how it's worked in his favor most of the time. But imo, a lot of times, he's just trolling them because he knows he can get air time. By saying and doing a lot of the shit he does, he gets more free media coverage. That in itself proves how corrupt they are. Other than that, he hasn't really hit the core issue with the media in that they're bought and biased and rely on ratings as opposed to informing viewers. I'll give the Drumpf half-credit here.

Literally everything else that's come out of his mouth, I've been against. Either because he's flip-flopped so many times that you don't know what he actual believes, or because what he's said is bigoted and racist, or because it's bad policy, or because it lacks policy.

Noteworthy: I despise Trump, but I just listed more things in a single post than any Trump supporter on this board has listed ever. I'll rep myself. Haha. Lets be real though, the man is a total buffoon.
 

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Nothing because he never talks about them. He talks about what he thinks is wrong and says he's going to fix it, but he has zero substance. On the few occasions he tried to go any deeper he embarrassed himself.

So you're too lazy to go to donaldtrump.com and read about them, huh? His supporters are hypocrites because they are supporting someone and they can't speak intelligently on what that someone stands for. But you're NOT hypocritical for criticizing someone without being able to speak intelligently on what they stand for?

*takes a breath*

That might have sounded harsh, but it's true. If ignorance makes you a hypocrite, then what side of the topic you fall doesn't matter. I went and read some of his proposed stuff.

I like his idea to simplify the tax code and get rid of a lot of loopholes for the rich. Something that many people are angry about, but no one is mentioning that Trump is for lowering taxes on the lower and middle class, but raising them on the upper class.

He wants to take money that we are spending on training foreign workers to come take jobs, and use it to help inner city kids find jobs.

I like that he wants to reform the Veterans Administration, to better take care of our wounded warriors.

I still won't vote for him because I don't think he has the temperament for the job. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't have some good ideas. It's too bad that we can't vote on plans, as well as people. For instance............ Bernie Sanders was elected President today, but Donald Trump's tax plan was also voted in, so Bernie will have to get to work implementing that right away.
 

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36,000 Verizon workers go on strike

36,000 Verizon workers have walked off the job Wednesday after failing to reach a new labor agreement.
This is the largest strike in the United States since Verizon workers last walked off the job in 2011, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. That strike involved 45,000 workers.
Most of the striking workers service the company's landline phone business and FiOS broadband network -- not the much larger Verizon Wireless network. They have gone without a contract since August, and their union, the Communication Workers of America, says it is fighting to get Verizon to come to the table with a better offer.
The union's list of complaints is a long one: Verizon has outsourced 5,000 jobs to workers in Mexico, the Philippines and the Dominican Republic. Verizon is hiring more low-wage, non-union contractors, the union says.
The union also claims Verizon won't negotiate with people who work in Verizon stores and is closing call centers. And Verizon is asking workers to work out of state, away from their homes, for months at a time.
Meanwhile, the union says Verizon is cutting costs as its profits have soared
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