2014 NBA Free Agency and Draft

[Grahambo]

The problem with waiting and holding out hope is GSW now willing to include Klay Thompson. Need to give, to get. Wiggins is still unknown. James wants Love so you get Love.


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[zelezo vlk]

I suppose one's opinion on whether to add Wiggins to the trade is how one views K Love. I think Golden State would be stupid not to trade for K Love. However, if I were the Cavs, I would be much more hesitant to trade away all of the young pieces that will greatly benefit from having Lebron on the team. I absolutely think that adding Love to the Cavs makes them contenders, but I still wouldn't make them the favorites, just my pick to win the East.

 

[Grahambo]

I suppose one's opinion on whether to add Wiggins to the trade is how one views K Love. I think Golden State would be stupid not to trade for K Love. However, if I were the Cavs, I would be much more hesitant to trade away all of the young pieces that will greatly benefit from having Lebron on the team. I absolutely think that adding Love to the Cavs makes them contenders, but I still wouldn't make them the favorites, just my pick to win the East.

Can we all agree that the only opinion that really matters is Lebron? He knows what he wants/needs better then any of us.


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[zelezo vlk]

Can we all agree that the only opinion that really matters is Lebron? He knows what he wants/needs better then any of us.


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Yes. He understands the game better than a lot of coaches, but he also isn't the GM. At the end of the day, the moves a GM makes will keep or lose him his job. So if I were the GM of the Cavs, I'd push for the best deal possible.

 

[Irish#1]

Offering Lance any money would put them over the cap as I understand it. The Pacers lost Lance and with him, a large amount of their play making.

I wasn't a proponent of Lance being an All Star nor do I think he deserved a ton of money, but he definitely deserves what Charlotte is paying him. He's taking a gamble on himself and that's admirable. I wish him luck.

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They could have resigned him without going over the cap. The number they offered was the max they could. They could have even offered a little more without a major impact. Having said that, I don't think Bird wanted him back because he could have offered those same numbers for just 2 or 3 years and Lance would have taken it. Lance is banking on hitting it big time when the new cap ceiling goes into effect in a couple of years. That's why his contract with the Hornets is two years with a third year option.

This has been reported on the Query & Schultz and Dakich shows.

 

[zelezo vlk]

They could have resigned him without going over the cap. The number they offered was the max they could. They could have even offered a little more without a major impact. Having said that, I don't think Bird wanted him back because he could have offered those same numbers for just 2 or 3 years and Lance would have taken it. Lance is banking on hitting it big time when the new cap ceiling goes into effect in a couple of years. That's why his contract with the Hornets is two years with a third year option.

This has been reported on the Query & Schultz and Dakich shows.

They could've definitely moved guys, but Bird tried to lowball him over a long term deal, which is not what Lance wanted at all. Bird definitely wanted him back and in fact, if he didn't want Lance back, he's not acting all that well in his FO role. Lance is good, young and has room to grow. They could've had him for cheap, but they got greedy so Lance went elsewhere.

 

[tussin]

No it isn't. His offensive game is terrible right now.

Not really. He has a strong offensive game for a rookie. He's not as polished as Parker but let's not overreact....

 

[gkIrish]

Wiggins wouldn't have been the first pick in the draft if Embid was healthy according to just about every expert I heard speak on the topic. So I disagree with the notion that Wiggins is the best prospect since Lebron or whatever.

Love >>> unknown

 

[woolybug25]

Not really. He has a strong offensive game for a rookie. He's not as polished as Parker but let's not overreact....

I think everyone seems to be overreacting here. No one knows what Wiggins is yet. The dude hasn't played a single regular season NBA game yet.

I know that Love has though... and last year he averaged 26.1 pts per game, 12.5 rebounds per game and shot 82% from the line. Baller.

 

[tussin]

I think everyone seems to be overreacting here. No one knows what Wiggins is yet. The dude hasn't played a single regular season NBA game yet.

I know that Love has though... and last year he averaged 26.1 pts per game, 12.5 rebounds per game and shot 82% from the line. Baller.

This isn't a Wiggins vs. Love thing though. The Timberwolves have no leverage, the Cavs hold all the cards. There is no reason to rush the trade now. They can make the Wiggins trade whenever they want, it's not going anywhere.

See what kind of team you have with Wiggins and then evaluate. If you wait, Love can go to the Cavs after the season if he wants and you would have an unbeatable team. To those saying that Love may go somewhere else.... I can't imagine a marquee free agent turning down the opportunity to play with LBJ, Kyrie, and Wiggins.

 

[woolybug25]

This isn't a Wiggins vs. Love thing though. The Timberwolves have no leverage, the Cavs hold all the cards. There is no reason to rush the trade now. They can make the Wiggins trade whenever they want, it's not going anywhere.

See what kind of team you have with Wiggins and then evaluate. If you wait, Love can go to the Cavs after the season if he wants and you would have an unbeatable team. To those saying that Love may go somewhere else.... I can't imagine a marquee free agent turning down the opportunity to play with LBJ, Kyrie, and Wiggins.

They aren't guaranteed that Love signs with them next year or that Wiggins turns out to be a great player. The only sure thing right now is that Love is a great NBA player. In my opinion, that's worth the risk of losing Wiggins. But only if Love is willing to sign a long term extension (ie one that is longer than Lebron's).

 

[koonja]

IDK the schedule of the D league, but the Cavs probably want to see how Wiggins plays there.

Love will never make it to free agency, MN wouldn't let that happen.

With Love they're instantly a contender without doubt, IMO. With Wiggins, they're still good enough to come out of the East if you ask me, but it's less of a certainty.

Lebron's about to be 30, and Love is 25 and a proven player. I see both sides of this, but if I were Lebron (who's running this team), I'd probably want to take the proven player in Love, but the more they see out of Wiggins, the better IMO.

I don't think there's a wrong answer here. It's like eating a Reeces, although the best move is to keep Lebron happy. If he wants Love, you get Love, even if you don't think it's the best move. That way you can say in 2 years to Lebron, we're doing what you want so he doesn't walk.

 

[gkIrish]

This isn't a Wiggins vs. Love thing though. The Timberwolves have no leverage, the Cavs hold all the cards. There is no reason to rush the trade now. They can make the Wiggins trade whenever they want, it's not going anywhere.

See what kind of team you have with Wiggins and then evaluate. If you wait, Love can go to the Cavs after the season if he wants and you would have an unbeatable team. To those saying that Love may go somewhere else.... I can't imagine a marquee free agent turning down the opportunity to play with LBJ, Kyrie, and Wiggins.

2015-2016 Salaries
Lebron--$21,573,398
Kyrie--14,746,000
T. Thompson--$7,150,606
Waiters--$5,138,430 (team option)
Wiggins--5.5 million (hasn't signed yet but this is apprx what he will get)

So that adds up to about 53 million for 6 players. Let's say they don't pick up Waiters option. So they have 48 million locked up for next year already. The current cap is 63 million IIRC. So at BEST they can offer Love 15 million assuming no huge change to the cap. That's a lot less than market value AND you aren't getting his services for the 2014-2015 season.

Edit: Didn't even include Anthony Bennett who has a team option for $5,803,560. Highly doubt the Cavs would elect not to sign the #1 pick no matter what he does this year so add another 5.8 million to their cap. So they can offer KLove about 9-10 million per year assuming they don't pick up Waiters option. That's about what Jordan Hill makes.

 

[tussin]

2015-2016 Salaries
Lebron--$21,573,398
Kyrie--14,746,000
T. Thompson--$7,150,606
Waiters--$5,138,430 (team option)
Wiggins--5.5 million (hasn't signed yet but this is apprx what he will get)

So that adds up to about 53 million for 6 players. Let's say they don't pick up Waiters option. So they have 48 million locked up for next year already. The current cap is 63 million IIRC. So at BEST they can offer Love 15 million assuming no huge change to the cap. That's a lot less than market value AND you aren't getting his services for the 2014-2015 season.

Edit: Didn't even include Anthony Bennett who has a team option for $5,803,560. Highly doubt the Cavs would elect not to sign the #1 pick no matter what he does this year so add another 5.8 million to their cap. So they can offer KLove about 9-10 million per year assuming they don't pick up Waiters option. That's about what Jordan Hill makes.

This post is silly. You and I both know that they will work around the cap if they have the opportunity to have Love, Wiggins, LBJ, and Kyrie. Without diving into the cap, everyone else would be fair game and there are many avenues they can take to sign Love.

 

[gkIrish]

This post is silly. You and I both know that they will work around the cap if they have the opportunity to have Love, Wiggins, LBJ, and Kyrie. Without diving into the cap, everyone else would be fair game and there are many avenues they can take to sign Love.

How is it silly? I'm not saying they COULDN'T get the cap space if they wanted. I'm sure they could by trading Thompson. But you made it sound like they could just wait a year and Love will just sign up and the Cavs will be a super-team. Not going to happen my friend.

 

[tussin]

How is it silly? I'm not saying they COULDN'T get the cap space if they wanted. I'm sure they could by trading Thompson. But you made it sound like they could just wait a year and Love will just sign up and the Cavs will be a super-team. Not going to happen my friend.

I didn't mean to insinuate that.

Regardless, they should wait at least half a season and then evaluate. Bennett and Wiggins together could provide value to Cavs that Love wouldn't be able to (mainly defense, athleticism). The Cavs right now are an incredibly athletic and deep team. It may be a bad idea to immediately trade away all of their depth, youth, and upside for a great scorer / rebounder who plays horrible defense and no track record of winning. Does the Knicks / Melo trade ring any bells?

 

[NDinL.A.]

This isn't a Wiggins vs. Love thing though. The Timberwolves have no leverage, the Cavs hold all the cards. There is no reason to rush the trade now. They can make the Wiggins trade whenever they want, it's not going anywhere.

See what kind of team you have with Wiggins and then evaluate. If you wait, Love can go to the Cavs after the season if he wants and you would have an unbeatable team. To those saying that Love may go somewhere else.... I can't imagine a marquee free agent turning down the opportunity to play with LBJ, Kyrie, and Wiggins.

The Cavs most definitely do not hold all the cards, because they are not the only competition for Love. The Warriors could easily flip the script if they add Klay Thompson to the deal, and then the Cavs will be shit out of luck. By waiting they could be sabotaging their chances at a ring this year.

Also, koon, Wiggins is not going to the D league. He's already being penciled in as a starter, and at worst will be a rotation player.

 

[woolybug25]

The Cavs most definitely do not hold all the cards, because they are not the only competition for Love. The Warriors could easily flip the script if they add Klay Thompson to the deal, and then the Cavs will be shit out of luck. By waiting they could be sabotaging their chances at a ring this year.

Also, koon, Wiggins is not going to the D league. He's already being penciled in as a starter, and at worst will be a rotation player.

What happened to the Celtics? Weren't they in this as well. Just offering first rd picks instead of players?

 

[gkIrish]

I didn't mean to insinuate that.

Regardless, they should wait at least half a season and then evaluate. Bennett and Wiggins together could provide value to Cavs that Love wouldn't be able to (mainly defense, athleticism). The Cavs right now are an incredibly athletic and deep team. It may be a bad idea to immediately trade away all of their depth, youth, and upside for a great scorer / rebounder who plays horrible defense and no track record of winning. Does the Knicks / Melo trade ring any bells?

The Melo trade was dumb because the Knicks were not in the same situation as the Cavs. Melo could have signed for the max in the offseason without gutting the team. But the Knicks got greedy and wanted Melo earlier so they paid for it.

 

[gkIrish]

The Cavs most definitely do not hold all the cards, because they are not the only competition for Love. The Warriors could easily flip the script if they add Klay Thompson to the deal, and then the Cavs will be shit out of luck. By waiting they could be sabotaging their chances at a ring this year.

Also, koon, Wiggins is not going to the D league. He's already being penciled in as a starter, and at worst will be a rotation player.

I think koon meant the Summer League, not the D League. Wiggins has played well in that.

 

[koonja]

The Cavs most definitely do not hold all the cards, because they are not the only competition for Love. The Warriors could easily flip the script if they add Klay Thompson to the deal, and then the Cavs will be shit out of luck. By waiting they could be sabotaging their chances at a ring this year.

Also, koon, Wiggins is not going to the D league. He's already being penciled in as a starter, and at worst will be a rotation player.

I think koon meant the Summer League, not the D League. Wiggins has played well in that.

Right you are. IDK how long that league is and I know it's not the best competition, but if I were the Cavs, I'd evaluate him for as long as I could and tell MN to call before they make any deals (I imagine Wiggins is the most covetted trade for MN so they would do this), all while planning out all of the options.

 

[yankeeND]

I didn't mean to insinuate that.

Regardless, they should wait at least half a season and then evaluate. Bennett and Wiggins together could provide value to Cavs that Love wouldn't be able to (mainly defense, athleticism). The Cavs right now are an incredibly athletic and deep team. It may be a bad idea to immediately trade away all of their depth, youth, and upside for a great scorer / rebounder who plays horrible defense and no track record of winning. Does the Knicks / Melo trade ring any bells?

I like where you are going with this. The depth could be the best the Cavs have ever had, and getting rid of it before it's proven is discerning to me. I like the idea of either letting it play out, or if a deal can be worked out sans Wiggins. Maybe I'm just being greedy, but I'm from Ohio, I'm not used to having nice things lol.

 

[IrishLax]

Not really. He has a strong offensive game for a rookie. He's not as polished as Parker but let's not overreact....

I'm not overreacting at all. His offensive game, right now, is far below average for his position. And he wasn't great in college either. All talk of him being a superstar is a PROJECTION off of his athleticism and other skills. Many players do develop accordingly as they refine their game and become better shooters. But whether that takes 1 year or 3 years or ever happens is nothing more than an educated guess.

 

[gkIrish]

And BTW, the best complementary SG to Lebron is a shooter, not a slasher/athlete. Waiters is actually a better complement to Lebron than Wiggins. Not arguing Waiters is a better player by any means but I don't see how Wiggins fits well with Lebron. If I'm right, trading Wiggins for KLove (who is a perfect fit) is well worth it.

 

[tussin]

The Melo trade was dumb because the Knicks were not in the same situation as the Cavs. Melo could have signed for the max in the offseason without gutting the team. But the Knicks got greedy and wanted Melo earlier so they paid for it.

....what?!?! Isn't this the EXACT same situation as the Cavs? It won't be just Wiggins for Love... it will be Wiggins + Bennett + picks (maybe even Waiters).

 

[gkIrish]

....what?!?! Isn't this the EXACT same situation as the Cavs? It won't be just Wiggins for Love... it will be Wiggins + Bennett + picks (maybe even Waiters).

Reread my post

 

[tussin]

And BTW, the best complementary SG to Lebron is a shooter, not a slasher/athlete. Waiters is actually a better complement to Lebron than Wiggins. Not arguing Waiters is a better player by any means but I don't see how Wiggins fits well with Lebron. If I'm right, trading Wiggins for KLove (who is a perfect fit) is well worth it.

Lebron won two out of three titles when he played next to a healthy slasher / athlete....

 

[tussin]

Reread my post

...still don't see your point. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[gkIrish]

Lebron won two out of three titles when he played next to a healthy slasher / athlete....

Yeah except the Heat didn't have a point guard worth mentioning. Kyrie fits the Dwade role. The Cavs need a Ray Allen.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Yeah except the Heat didn't have a point guard worth mentioning. Kyrie fits the Dwade role. The Cavs need a Ray Allen.

That might actually get Ray Allen though, no?