Expectations for 2012?

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Of course, anything can happen and ND could self-destruct and go 5-7 or some crap. But really, I can see this team being better as a whole than last year. I know we've all been burned getting our hopes up but if the team fires on all cylinders, there's no reason why the Irish can't go 9 wins or better.

And why does the on paper argument only ever work against ND? People have us losing to USC & OU automatically because they are better on paper. But, we are supposed to run scared against MSU & BYU, even though we are better on paper? Sure, ND can choke against an inferior team but I'm not ceding that until it actually happens.

I'm not taking any team for granted, but I'm not automatically putting anything in the "L" box either. We can lose to anybody but we can also beat anybody. I'd like to see Kelly go for broke against USC & OU and pull off a nice upset.
 

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I'm thinking 8-4. Losses to OU, USC, MSU, and one other random one that we should win like Stanford. If we go 9-4 I'd be very happy.

That is what I'm hoping for realistically. With the 9th win beating a good team in the bowl game catapulting us to a top 10 2013 ranking with huge expectations. Of coarse if they want to do that a year early I am certainly down for it!
 

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I've also shot predictions out for this year but I've finally come to the conclusion that, for me, it is worthless for a few reasons.

- They change on a daily basis depending on what motivational video I watch or practice insight I get.

- Even if I predict losses at OU and USC it will not make it any easier to watch.

- There are always surprises no one can predict.

Once each game draws near and I arise that Saturday morning I will expect nothing but an impressive thrashing handed out by my Irish. It's just the way it is.

The time away from ND football bottles up such a colossal amount of excitement that by the time week 1 comes around I have abandoned reality, logic and all reason. My green tinted glasses are on and they are thick.

Everyone I know, knows it's that time of year.
 

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And why does the on paper argument only ever work against ND? People have us losing to USC & OU automatically because they are better on paper. But, we are supposed to run scared against MSU & BYU, even though we are better on paper? Sure, ND can choke against an inferior team but I'm not ceding that until it actually happens.

Agreed, on paper, we are a 10-2 team, but that is why we play the games. We may have a shot of getting upset by a lesser team, but we also have a shot to upset USC or OU... It has to work both ways.
 
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Exactly!

Why concede a defeat beforehand?

Or arrogantly expect a victory without the effort.

I expect the fluke problems will be taken care of because that is the way of Kelly:

I belive Golson is closer that most reports indicate;

I belive turnovers are a thing of the past;

I believe that several players nobody expects will step up this year'

I also believe that most players on the roster will be able to play meaningful minutes.

I also belive the last team put in at the end of the game will give up too many yards and points on defense, and not do well enough on offense.
 

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13-0 is the expectation. I know that is the players expectations. Realistically the expectations should still 13-0. Do i think they will go 13-0 more than likely not, just because they are young at some positions. But with that said, the 2002 ohio st team, had no business winning some of the games they won, let alone the natl title game......and they are natl champs. There wasn't a game last year that we couldnt have won. usf/mich you already know. usc even with all the bad luck it was a 7point game in the 4th and ND played like **** for 2 1/2 quarters. Stanford was essentially the only game that on the scoreboard ND wasn't in, but watching the game you never would have known it was a 21pt game.

Like I have said in other posts...its all about building a program mentally, physically, and emotionally.

2009 - Ask yourself this. Was Notre Dame mentally, physically, emotionally in games? No No and No. Teams/coaches destroyed ND mentally. They got in the heads of our players and staff. Weis/Tenuta/Corwin were all proud men, and that meant staying proud over winning at times. Do i think they were good coaches, yes. Weis is a damn good coach, head coach, no. Tenuta has been successful everywhere for the most part minus ND. Corwin we will never know but there were glimpses over his tenure at ND. The way the defense played at times and the shear fact that Weis let teams score a couple times to get the ball back to Clausen, shows you that mindset and never once did you hear the kids express their frustrations. The players will go un-named...but after the sc game in 2009...few of the guys met up with us after the game and 2 were down and frustrated to the point they broke down and cried. the other 5 or so were excited to party later in the night. The 2 were guys that got spot PT, and the others were starters. Physically I dont have to elaborate...Uconn, Stanford, Pitt, Navy...dominated ND physically. Emotionally...there wasnt any. Sure Brian Smith, Sergio and co talked the talk, but there was never a play made to change a game. I thought that maybe the series ND stopped Washington inside the 5 the 6 or 7 times in a row that might have been a turning point for the team/defense bc that emotion was shown. But, they never grasped it. It was still hang around defensively and let Clausen win it.

Fast forward.

2011/2012.

2 years into the Kelly era....ND is deep at essentially every position but CB. Every team has a lack of depth somewhere so I can be ok with it to a point. Sure, we don't have a QB set, but theres 3 guys with potential to be a BCS winning QB, and 1 QB that has seen and been through it all. Even with all the losses injury and recruiting wise is ND mentally, physically, emotionally in games? Yes, yes, and yes. There wasnt a game in 2011 where ND was blown out of the game where you knew that the 4th Q was irrelevant. There are few mistakes defensively. 2009 how many missed tackles did you see? 2011 how many did you see? How many big plays did ND give up in 2009?? ND gave up a handful in 2011. Gary Gray gave up big plays against Mich, and there was a long pass vs Stanford for a TD but its football that **** is gonna happen. Sure it sucks when its at the point where the game is in the balance but it happens. Offensively with a limited QB, there were still big plays, and big plays in the run game. When was the last you could say that? Ryan Grant/Julius Jones era? Physically ND took punches and FINALLY punched back. Emotionally.. you can see they are taking it personal if they are scored on and they are making plays. Offense, i will say is in question going into 2012 just with QB undefined to the public at the moment. But, Kelly is getting the absolute best out of guys so I don't see any reason to be concerned. Like I said before he is getting the kids to embrace their opportunity to be at ND and to showcase themselves. That is building a program. BK started at the bottom and is working his way up. He turned the attitude around. Turned the expectations around. Turned his coaching staff around. He is prideful, but also shows he is adapting. There isnt a game plan ND is throwing out there that is a bad one, and if theres adjustments he makes them.

I think the fanbase just needs to take on the mentality of the program now. There are going to be turnovers, bad plays, plays given up and plays left on the field. But we also have guys that can make turnovers, make a play out of nothing, get a play back, and change the momentum of a game. 2 years ago we had 2 1/2. Clausen, Golden, and floyd for half the year. Going into 2012....George Atkinson is 3rd or 4th on the depth chart and has already proven he can make plays. WR has a lack of experience, but also has potentially playmakers ND hasnt seen for awhile. QB you cannot understand the importance of being able to run for 3 yards when the slant is covered on 3rd and 3. We have 3 guys that can do that. 2 of which I feel can play. Gunner just needs to be a sponge for 2012. If he is in there for meaningful mins this year....just delete this post lol.
 

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Many great points, TP. Under Weis we too often looked disorganized and unprepared. Kelly still has some stuff he has to work out, but under Kelly we have generally looked like a football team that is focused and ready to play.
 

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13-0 is the expectation. I know that is the players expectations. Realistically the expectations should still 13-0.

I agree 100%. If you go into the season (or a game) expecting to lose you will.

The only difference is i think the expectation is 1-0. Then hopefully 2-0 Sept. 2.
 

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7-5/ maybe 8-4 tops. I love Notre Dame but they just dont have the players to play this the toughest schedule in the country. Last year I said they would lose their first game and I'm riding the fence on can they beat Navy in Ireland with Navy preparing all summer for the game. My heart says yes but my mind says no. They cant handle oklahoma/southern cal/mich/mich state. then you must allow for the stub your toe games because its a super bowl for all opponents. Really guys this is not your fathers football program anymore-college guys trying to win against minor league pro football and Navy sitting out theire with your number. Maybe a good kick in the @#$ losing season will open some eyes as to what this administration must do to get competitive again-Kelly is not the problem. Rockne/Lombardi/Knoll/or Amos Alonzo Stagg could not win under these conditions. I doubt if Holtz or Ara would have taken the job with this present culture relating to the other teams in college football. Lets get real with all the hype and expectations. Like I aid they will have a tough time beating Navy!!!
 

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7-5/ maybe 8-4 tops. I love Notre Dame but they just dont have the players to play this the toughest schedule in the country. Last year I said they would lose their first game and I'm riding the fence on can they beat Navy in Ireland with Navy preparing all summer for the game. My heart says yes but my mind says no. They cant handle oklahoma/southern cal/mich/mich state. then you must allow for the stub your toe games because its a super bowl for all opponents. Really guys this is not your fathers football program anymore-college guys trying to win against minor league pro football and Navy sitting out theire with your number. Maybe a good kick in the @#$ losing season will open some eyes as to what this administration must do to get competitive again-Kelly is not the problem. Rockne/Lombardi/Knoll/or Amos Alonzo Stagg could not win under these conditions. I doubt if Holtz or Ara would have taken the job with this present culture relating to the other teams in college football. Lets get real with all the hype and expectations. Like I aid they will have a tough time beating Navy!!!



Not to be a dick but what conditions? lol Just because ND doesnt recruit kids that don't go to class in high school, lazy to not take certain classes in high school to qualify, or have sketchy backgrounds? I mean prime example of players that will go nameless but think back the last 6 months....ND got those players and how did it turn out? Are you saying that we should be like some SEC school and have our players attend class a few times a week? ND beat Navy by 40 points last year. I feel 110% confident that BK/Diaco have a grasp on the option considering they have won their last 3 games against it by about average of 35+ points. and I believe they whipped mich st *** up and down the field last year too....and were about the only team to do that. They lost their QB,WRs,DT,LBs, but they are out of ND's league?

This is what I am saying about changing the culture of the fanbase. You were expecting to lose the first game last year. If you're a fan shouldn't you be behind the team you cheer for? I mean ND home games arent a good atmosphere once the game starts. Like I said before...its football. Bad plays, turnovers, etc are gonna happen. Its about making their own breaks, and that does include belief that they can make plays. If everyone doubts them, trust me they feed off that too.
 
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But not to TP?

Not to you either Whiskey. You are on top of the media lately. What quarterback is unstoppable per the last quarterback of a national championship team? So what do you think? Who is i going to be? Hint, think Hendrix off the bench for a change of pace.

We have all discussed this before. Kelly is growing him right before your eyes.


And it all starts with attitude, just like TP said.


Have fun guys, I am leaving in a few minutes to go caving. I heard reception isn't very good there, so see you later this week.
 

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7-5/ maybe 8-4 tops. I love Notre Dame but they just dont have the players to play this the toughest schedule in the country. Last year I said they would lose their first game and I'm riding the fence on can they beat Navy in Ireland with Navy preparing all summer for the game. My heart says yes but my mind says no. They cant handle oklahoma/southern cal/mich/mich state. then you must allow for the stub your toe games because its a super bowl for all opponents. Really guys this is not your fathers football program anymore-college guys trying to win against minor league pro football and Navy sitting out theire with your number. Maybe a good kick in the @#$ losing season will open some eyes as to what this administration must do to get competitive again-Kelly is not the problem. Rockne/Lombardi/Knoll/or Amos Alonzo Stagg could not win under these conditions. I doubt if Holtz or Ara would have taken the job with this present culture relating to the other teams in college football. Lets get real with all the hype and expectations. Like I aid they will have a tough time beating Navy!!!

And what's Notre Dame been doing? Sitting on their hands watching Spongebob? Are they not preparing to play Navy? Because gosh darnit if ND hasn't been preparing to play Navy for these past few months you're right. Navy is going to have their way with them.
 

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7-5/ maybe 8-4 tops. I love Notre Dame but they just dont have the players to play this the toughest schedule in the country. Last year I said they would lose their first game and I'm riding the fence on can they beat Navy in Ireland with Navy preparing all summer for the game. My heart says yes but my mind says no. They cant handle oklahoma/southern cal/mich/mich state. then you must allow for the stub your toe games because its a super bowl for all opponents. Really guys this is not your fathers football program anymore-college guys trying to win against minor league pro football and Navy sitting out theire with your number. Maybe a good kick in the @#$ losing season will open some eyes as to what this administration must do to get competitive again-Kelly is not the problem. Rockne/Lombardi/Knoll/or Amos Alonzo Stagg could not win under these conditions. I doubt if Holtz or Ara would have taken the job with this present culture relating to the other teams in college football. Lets get real with all the hype and expectations. Like I aid they will have a tough time beating Navy!!!

sorry but this post is just completely wrong on so many levels.

1. We do have the players to beat anyone on our schedule this year. Will that happen? Most likely no. But talent wise on paper we have a team with top 12 talent. Last year if we had a QB we easily go 10-2 hell maybe 11-1 I think we definitely could have beaten SC or Stanford

2. We can't handle Oklahoma/USC/Mich/ Mich State??? Pretty sure we smoked Michigan state and they replace everyone at the skill positions plus their best defensive linemen in a really long time. Michigan needed prayer after prayer to beat us, and this year we are at home, I am sure with revenge on our mind. USC? Yeah that is gonna be a freakin tough game but its not like we can't compete. Had Dayne not fumbled at the goal line last year it would have been 24-24 instead of 31-17... Oklahoma is up in the air, but the Big 12 doesn't play defense, and they have almost zero experience outside of Kenny Stills at receiver.

3. You don't think we can handle Navy, a team we beat by at least 40 last season? OKAY

4. There are no conditions that you speak of such as us going against "minor league programs". Our problem has been we have not had a coach! We finally have one, and if he keeps getting his guys in you will see 10 win seasons with consistency.

5. No. Just no about having trouble beating Navy.
 
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7-5/ maybe 8-4 tops. I love Notre Dame but they just dont have the players to play this the toughest schedule in the country. Last year I said they would lose their first game and I'm riding the fence on can they beat Navy in Ireland with Navy preparing all summer for the game. My heart says yes but my mind says no. They cant handle oklahoma/southern cal/mich/mich state. then you must allow for the stub your toe games because its a super bowl for all opponents. Really guys this is not your fathers football program anymore-college guys trying to win against minor league pro football and Navy sitting out theire with your number. Maybe a good kick in the @#$ losing season will open some eyes as to what this administration must do to get competitive again-Kelly is not the problem. Rockne/Lombardi/Knoll/or Amos Alonzo Stagg could not win under these conditions. I doubt if Holtz or Ara would have taken the job with this present culture relating to the other teams in college football. Lets get real with all the hype and expectations. Like I aid they will have a tough time beating Navy!!!

1. Players are there.
2. Lose to Navy? Lol come on man
3. Cant hang with those other teams? Have you taken the last couple years off? This team last year crushed MSU and got very unlucky against UM. Then handed USC the game.

Team is there. Just a matter of finding the right qb and getting on a roll.
 

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Unless two CBs step up big time and exceed expectations by a lot there is not a snowballs chance in hell we beat USC barring injuries. We should be in every other game.
 

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No, we don't have a big time WR, but Eifert is just as good as any big time receiver, and the hybrid players that will come out of the backfield will cause severe mis-match problems for teams all season. You telling me some LB is going to cover Wood, Neal, GAII, I don't think so, and even if they do for a play here, a play there, sooner than later their going to get tired and or beat on one big play and it's 6 for the IRISH.GO IRISH!

I agree with your idea about dangerous running backs catching passes out of the backfield in the passing game, but Kelly's offense has never relied on that as a main strength. We'll see if he adapts and makes it one. He'll have to, because Weis handed him 4 mediocre 5th year and Senior receivers. It would help if Jones can make a big step forward, and Smith and Daniels are a higher quality receiver waiting to show their stuff. Neil contributing would be nice.

Lots of "big if's" going into this season. It will tell how good a coach Kelly is, or isn't. It's his 3rd year, time to show improvement.
 
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1. We do have the players to beat anyone on our schedule this year.

Beating USC would be one of the bigger upsets we've had in the past 16 years. They are more talented than we are, particularly at the skill positions and the defensive backfield.
 

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Beating USC would be one of the bigger upsets we've had in the past 16 years. They are more talented than we are, particularly at the skill positions and the defensive backfield.

Oh definitely. But he was saying we couldn't even compete with those four teams. We definitely can. I would say our offensive line, tight ends, running backs, linebackers, and defensive line are all better than SC's. Problem is they have the best QB and two best wide receivers in the country.
 

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We did Ok against USC with a depleted D-line and a one-legged Manti Teo.. Who knows maybe Jackson and Brown or Atkinson are better than last year.I expect 8-13 wins depending on QB play, turnovers, luck, and the 3rd year of all successful ND coaches.
 

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This year I want to see less turnovers. How many times did we have costly turnovers that ultimately costed us the game? You take some of our turnovers away and our season last year would have been great. If we can take better care of the ball this year we will have a great season.
 

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Beating USC would be one of the bigger upsets we've had in the past 16 years. They are more talented than we are, particularly at the skill positions and the defensive backfield.



usc has talent all over the field no doubt about it. but they are also the team that has the least amount of depth. i mean they didnt have any contact ALL of spring bc kiffin knows they have no depth and any injury is going to hurt. Sure they have some matchups that are favorable for them, but ND has a lot of favorable matchups as well. ND will be seasoned at that point so anything goes.
 

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In just seven short weeks we'll see the best Notre Dame football team we've seen in quite some time run onto that field in Ireland.
 
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With this schedule, pray for eight wins. Great to see the unrealistic expectations coming out. I suppose it's that time of year.
 

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Beating USC would be one of the bigger upsets we've had in the past 16 years. They are more talented than we are, particularly at the skill positions and the defensive backfield.

I'm no expert on USC but this isn't the USC of the Carroll era where I could probably name almost their entire defense ( I can only think of Robey & McDonald from this team). We will be able to score on them. If Wood/Atkinson step up we can play with them IMO.
 

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3-4 months ago you were all predicting 8 wins. Funny how the closer we get to the season the higher expectations get. I guess it's just "that" time of the year haha
 

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With this schedule, pray for eight wins. Great to see the unrealistic expectations coming out. I suppose it's that time of year.

I am sick of the "with this schedule".

Who do you see giving us a game outside of USC, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Michigan State.

Maybe throw Stanford into that group.

Either way, win the other 7 games, and then win 2 of the 5 mentioned and you're at 9-3.

The schedule is actually pretty navigable, it's just top heavy with two insanely tough games and a pretty tough game against Michigan and at MSU.
 
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