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[ND NYC]

Did Ray Lewis ever find that missing suit? What's your point?

Wiz, what does Ray Lewis have to do with Schilling?

methinks you doth protest too much...your fast-becoming the "Ted Cruz of IE"

 

[IrishLax]

1. GoldenDome... can't believe you took that graphic at face value. Doesn't even pass the sniff test. Obviously full of utter lies. Come on man... do better.

2. I don't like ESPN, and I hate political correctness... WITH THAT BEING SAID I have zero sympathy for Schilling and completely support ESPN's decision here. It has nothing to do with sharing a meme, it has to do with Schilling showing routine insubordination towards how his bosses told him to act. Sorry, but if you're a public persona and not reflecting what your employer wants then they should terminate you.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

That's fine, and we can disagree on the substance of the argument. But the mob mentality to which Schilling objected is not disagreeing on substance. Their stance is that anyone who disagrees with them can't possibly disagree in good faith and that their positions are based on hatred and bigotry.

I would argue that the "mob mentality" is in state legislatures picking up a law that is addressing a problem that doesn't exist. Where would you have this person use the restroom?

How about this one?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

1. GoldenDome... can't believe you took that graphic at face value. Doesn't even pass the sniff test. Obviously full of utter lies. Come on man... do better.

2. I don't like ESPN, and I hate political correctness... WITH THAT BEING SAID I have zero sympathy for Schilling and completely support ESPN's decision here. It has nothing to do with sharing a meme, it has to do with Schilling showing routine insubordination towards how his bosses told him to act. Sorry, but if you're a public persona and not reflecting what your employer wants then they should terminate you.

This is where I generally fall here.

 

[wizards8507]

I would argue that the "mob mentality" is in state legislatures picking up a law that is addressing a problem that doesn't exist. Where would you have this person use the restroom?

How about this one?

Personally, I have no problem with either of those two folks using the men's room. But it's not about whether you agree with Schilling's position, it's about Schilling being free to express that opinion. No, I'm not making a First Amendment argument because ESPN certainly has the right to fire him, I just don't think that they should have. I don't think employers should have unlimited control over their employees' private lives, even for public figures. I'd feel the same way if some conservative company fired someone for expressing a pro-trans opinion.

As a separate point unrelated to Schilling and ESPN but related to the bathroom argument, there's much more concern about trans women in women's rooms than trans men in the men's room. The most likely victim of scenario of someone abusing a trans restroom policy would be a young female victim assaulted by a faux-trans female.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Personally, I have no problem with either of those two folks using the men's room. But it's not about whether you agree with Schilling's position, it's about Schilling being free to express that opinion. No, I'm not making a First Amendment argument because ESPN certainly has the right to fire him, I just don't think that they should have. I don't think employers should have unlimited control over their employees' private lives, even for public figures. I'd feel the same way if some conservative company fired someone for expressing a pro-trans opinion.

As a separate point unrelated to Schilling and ESPN but related to the bathroom argument, there's much more concern about trans women in women's rooms than trans men in the men's room. The most likely victim of scenario of someone abusing a trans restroom policy would be a young female victim assaulted by a faux-trans female.

Fair enough. But is a public figure sharing a meme on social media considered his "private life"? What about his blog?

 

[woolybug25]

Personally, I have no problem with either of those two folks using the men's room. But it's not about whether you agree with Schilling's position, it's about Schilling being free to express that opinion. No, I'm not making a First Amendment argument because ESPN certainly has the right to fire him, I just don't think that they should have. I don't think employers should have unlimited control over their employees' private lives, even for public figures. I'd feel the same way if some conservative company fired someone for expressing a pro-trans opinion.

As a separate point unrelated to Schilling and ESPN but related to the bathroom argument, there's much more concern about trans women in women's rooms than trans men in the men's room. The most likely victim of scenario of someone abusing a trans restroom policy would be a young female victim assaulted by a faux-trans female.

Regarding your second point, transpeople have been using their preferred restroom for decades. It wasn't until recently (which I attribute to "Cait" being on tv) that people feared rape. I don't know of any stories of this happening and it certainly hasn't been an issue. It's a manufacturered fear based out of people using it as an excuse for a lifestyle they disagree with.

Transpeople getting raped in bathrooms, on the other hand, has been an issue. Ironically.

 

[greyhammer90]

Regarding your second point, transpeople have been using their preferred restroom for decades. It wasn't until recently (which I attribute to "Cait" being on tv) that people feared rape. I don't know of any stories of this happening and it certainly hasn't been an issue. It's a manufacturered fear based out of people using it as an excuse for a lifestyle they disagree with.

Transpeople getting raped in bathrooms, on the other hand, has been an issue. Ironically.

Its not exactly as new as you are making it out to be. Maybe a public awareness of the argument is new, but courts have been using the fear of sexual assault to allow gender-separated bathrooms in public buildings to pass the intermediate scrutiny test for years.

 

[wizards8507]

Regarding your second point, transpeople have been using their preferred restroom for decades. It wasn't until recently (which I attribute to "Cait" being on tv) that people feared rape. I don't know of any stories of this happening and it certainly hasn't been an issue. It's a manufacturered fear based out of people using it as an excuse for a lifestyle they disagree with.

Transpeople getting raped in bathrooms, on the other hand, has been an issue. Ironically.

Then why have men's and women's restrooms in the first place? If genitals have nothing to do with in, then why has society separated men and women since the dawn of human history?

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Then why have men's and women's restrooms in the first place? If genitals have nothing to do with in, then why has society separated men and women since the dawn of human history?

As I understand it, they haven't.

Sex-segregated public restrooms: an outdated relic of Victorian paternalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urinary_segregation

 

[NDgradstudent]

Regarding your second point, transpeople have been using their preferred restroom for decades. It wasn't until recently (which I attribute to "Cait" being on tv) that people feared rape. I don't know of any stories of this happening and it certainly hasn't been an issue. It's a manufacturered fear based out of people using it as an excuse for a lifestyle they disagree with.

Transpeople getting raped in bathrooms, on the other hand, has been an issue. Ironically.

It wasn't until recently that the government started passing laws requiring public schools, businesses, etc., to let men use the ladies' room.

I have no problem with any business owner, homeowner, etc. making these decisions for herself. The government should not be involved. As for government property -public bathrooms, schools, municipal buildings, etc.- I think people should have to use the bathroom of the sex that they are, not the 'gender' they regard themselves as. If a state comes to a different conclusion, as some have, then fine, but don't extend the law to businesses.

 

[woolybug25]

Then why have men's and women's restrooms in the first place? If genitals have nothing to do with in, then why has society separated men and women since the dawn of human history?

Again... There has never been a trans bathroom rape issue, so why is it government's job to require who can go in what bathroom? Furthermore, forcing businesses to not allow transpeople into certain bathrooms in their business?

You're supposed to be a libertarian for Christ sakes.

 

[wizards8507]

Again... There has never been a trans bathroom rape issue, so why is it government's job to require who can go in what bathroom? Furthermore, forcing businesses to not allow transpeople into certain bathrooms in their business?

You're supposed to be a libertarian for Christ sakes.

I don't think you understand what the North Carolina law does. It is not a law about who can use what bathrooms. It's a law banning other laws that do say who can use what bathrooms.

 

[woolybug25]

I don't think you understand what the North Carolina law does. It is not a law about who can use what bathrooms. It's a law banning other laws that do say who can use what bathrooms.

Say that out loud to yourself and try to not laugh.

Go ahead... I'll wait...

 

[wizards8507]

(b) Single-Sex Multiple Occupancy Bathroom and Changing Facilities. – Public agencies shall require every multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility to be designated for and only used by persons based on their biological sex.

(c) Accommodations Permitted. – Nothing in this section shall prohibit public agencies from providing accommodations such as single occupancy bathroom or changing facilities upon a person's request due to special circumstances, but in no event shall that accommodation result in the public agency allowing a person to use a multiple occupancy bathroom or changing facility designated under subsection (b) of this section for a sex other than the person's biological sex.

Translation: If you're a man, use a men's room. If you're a woman, use the women's room. If you require special accommodations, special accommodations will be made. This only applies to government locations like schools. Businesses can have special trans bathrooms or let transsexual people use their "identity" restrooms if they want.

 

[wizards8507]

Say that out loud to yourself and try to not laugh.

Go ahead... I'll wait...

Unlike you, I've read the law.

 

[woolybug25]

Unlike you, I've read the law.

Thanks for posting it. What exactly am I supposed to see there? It literally does exactly what everyone says that it does. Again, it's funny how quickly your opinion of government intervention changes when it fits your narrative.

Your previous comment was clearly disingenuous.

 

[wizards8507]

Thanks for posting it. What exactly am I supposed to see there? It literally does exactly what everyone says that it does. Again, it's funny how quickly your opinion of government intervention changes when it fits your narrative.

Your previous comment was clearly disingenuous.

This is not goverment intervention for two reasons.

1. The city of Charlotte tried some government intervention. The State of North Carolina prventing Charlote from intervening is not, in itself, intervention.

2. This applies only to government facilities. It's not government intervention for governments to say what happens in government facilities. A McDonald's in Raleigh can have whatever bathroom policy they want.

 

[wizards8507]

https://www.littler.com/publication...inas-new-public-facilities-law-mean-employers

Notably, the restroom and changing facility regulations do not apply to or affect private businesses. As a result, private companies with operations in North Carolina are free to implement their own policies that permit employees, customers, and third parties access to restrooms and locker or dressing rooms that correspond to their gender identity or expression. (See the Public Facilities Law amendments to N.C. Gen. Stat. §143-422.10-13). If, however, a private company voluntarily designates a restroom for use based on “biological sex” pursuant to the Public Facilities Law, such a policy will not give rise to a claim of discrimination under North Carolina state law.2 (See the Public Facilities Law amendments to N.C. Gen. Stat. §143-422.1).

 

[NDdomer2]

Mike Tirico reportedly leaving ESPN for NBCSN. I would LOVE to have him do ND games but seems doubtful.

Also, why does John Gruden and Sean McDonough doing monday night football sound like a nightmare.

 

[gkIrish]

Mike Tirico reportedly leaving ESPN for NBCSN. I would LOVE to have him do ND games but seems doubtful.

Also, why does John Gruden and Sean McDonough doing monday night football sound like a nightmare.

Specific thread going for this

Mike Tirico to ESPN

 

[Cali_domer]

John Ourand
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Bayless is leaving ESPN. ESPN Statement about Skip Bayless - ESPN MediaZone
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[johnnycando]

Fuck yeah.

 

[IrishLion]

ESPN just bleeding talent* lol



*It goes without saying that I use the term "talent" loosely in this instance.

 

[BobbyMac]

They are thinning the ranks in Bristol. Word is Wiz now only shares his cube with the girl who does Mel Kyper's hair.

 

[ulukinatme]

They are thinning the ranks in Bristol. Word is Wiz now only shares his cube with the girl who does Mel Kyper's hair.

I thought he got moved to the janitor's closet? Is this an upgrade for him?

Surprised he's leaving, not sad to see him go.

 

[calvegas04]

Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless I have no idea why anyone would pay them money to give their opinions. They are so annoying

 

[koonja]

I don't watch, but I bet their show's ratings are awesome because it seems to be all people talk about on twitter. I wonder if Skip is walking away on his own accord or joining a new company ala Colin Cowerd. Skip is very marketable.

 

[irishfan]

I don't watch, but I bet their show's ratings are awesome because it seems to be all people talk about on twitter. I wonder if Skip is walking away on his own accord or joining a new company ala Colin Cowerd. Skip is very marketable.

ESPN reportedly offered him 4 million per year. He's going on his own accord. I think he's annoying, but he brings in crazy ratings and people love to talk about his opinions.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless I have no idea why anyone would pay them money to give their opinions. They are so annoying

I agree.
I only watch games on ESPN because all of their personalities are annoying.