Defensive Coordinator Search 2020

[Ndaccountant]

If I was Freeman I would stick with Cincinnati for this very reason. His quickest route to a head coaching position of a pretty decent program is to stick with Cincy until Fickell leaves. Given Fickell's likely frustration over the CFP rankings for an undefeated Cincy team, seems like Fickell would be moving on within a year or two.

IMO, he isn't leaving until one of a half dozen programs open up. He is going to be selective. Freeman knows this, but I am sure that isn't new to either of them.

 

[Irish#1]

I am almost entirely certain that Freeman isn't happening.

He's on a similar career track as Lea is. I can see him being the next Cincinnati HC once Fickell gets a better job offer.

If I was Freeman I would stick with Cincinnati for this very reason. His quickest route to a head coaching position of a pretty decent program is to stick with Cincy until Fickell leaves. Given Fickell's likely frustration over the CFP rankings for an undefeated Cincy team, seems like Fickell would be moving on within a year or two.

IMO, he isn't leaving until one of a half dozen programs open up. He is going to be selective. Freeman knows this, but I am sure that isn't new to either of them.

Outside of waiting on becoming the Cincy coach in a few years, being the DC at ND probably opens more opportunities than being at Cincy.

 

[ThePiombino]

Freeman, come be the next DC at ND and use it as a springboard to a great HC gig! Look how Kelly's 4 DCs were able to parlay the position:

* UConn (AKA career suicide)
* Fired
* Left for same position @ A&M
* Vanderbilt (AKA career suicide)

Hmmm, maybe I would stick at Cinci too...

 

[Rogue219]

Don Brown needs a job too!

If BK wanted to "stash an analyst", Brown would be my first choice over Diaco and Pelini.

I just don't see Freeman going to ND, or Michigan for that matter, to be a DC.

 

[dublinirish]

Freeman is an OSU alum, no way is he going to SCUM lol

 

[Rogue219]

Freeman is an OSU alum, no way is he going to SCUM lol

Right. It's completely mental to think that's going to happen.

As much as I'd want him at ND, I don't think it is plausible. The Wisconsin guy same. I think Bateman from UNC might be, and maybe I'm wrong, but he runs a system like Aranda/Elko and that's what makes him an attractive hire from my vantage point.

 

[dublinirish]

Hot take: Gregg Williams to SCUM. They are gonna go down the "Schematic Advantage" Route. Book It

 

[Luckylucci]

Freeman, come be the next DC at ND and use it as a springboard to a great HC gig! Look how Kelly's 4 DCs were able to parlay the position:

* UConn (AKA career suicide)
* Fired
* Left for same position @ A&M
* Vanderbilt (AKA career suicide)

Hmmm, maybe I would stick at Cinci too...

Diaco made 7 mil over 3 seasons at UCONN and has worked ever since. After failing on his own. He then went on to become Nebraska’s highest paid assistant in school history.

Elko became one of the highest paid DC’s in college football, ever, when he made that move.

And Clark Lea is taking over his dream job.

 

[ThePiombino]

Diaco made 7 mil over 3 seasons at UCONN and has worked ever since. After failing on his own. He then went on to become Nebraska’s highest paid assistant in school history.

Elko became one of the highest paid DC’s in college football, ever, when he made that move.

And Clark Lea is taking over his dream job.

Diaco's star has fallen. From Boyle's winner to unemployed. Stop.

Elko used us as leverage for a bigger pay day and oddly enough may be considered the most successful of the bunch, barring Lea's performance. But let's be honest, it's a hell of a project Lea has taken on. Wish him the best, but Vandy is not exactly the cradle of future successful P5 head coaches.

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[IrishLion]

Diaco's star has fallen. From Boyle's winner to unemployed. Stop.

Elko used us as leverage for a bigger pay day and oddly enough may be considered the most successful of the bunch, barring Lea's performance. But let's be honest, it's a hell of a project Lea has taken on. Wish him the best, but Vandy is not exactly the cradle of future successful P5 head coaches.

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The point is that these guys have parlayed success as Notre Dame DC into (1) Head Coach jobs, or (2) a massive pay raise.

If you have success as ND's DC, you're going to get your shot. What shot you take and what you do with it is up to you... but you'll at least get that shot.

 

[Luckylucci]

Diaco's star has fallen. From Boyle's winner to unemployed. Stop.

Elko used us as leverage for a bigger pay day and oddly enough may be considered the most successful of the bunch, barring Lea's performance. But let's be honest, it's a hell of a project Lea has taken on. Wish him the best, but Vandy is not exactly the cradle of future successful P5 head coaches.

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Honestly, your logic these last few days is impossible to reason with.

Diaco’s current unemployment today has nothing to do with Kelly or his tenure at ND. Diaco parlayed his ND tenure into over 8 Mil in 4 years thereafter. Freeman makes about 600k/year do the math smart guy.

Lea getting his dream job is a massive success to him. So you can’t view that as anything other than extremely positive. This is the job HE wanted. He doesn’t care what you think.

3 of the 4 got exactly what they wanted from their tenures at ND and promotions thereafter. It’s up to them to take it from there.

 

[Rogue219]

The entire profession begins negotiations from the back end. It starts with "what do I get when you fire me?". Then they work from that.

So Bob Diaco, for my money, while his career since he left ND has been a mixed bag at best ends with him as a millionaire.

 

[ThePiombino]

Honestly, your logic these last few days is impossible to reason with.

Diaco’s current unemployment today has nothing to do with Kelly or his tenure at ND. Diaco parlayed his ND tenure into over 8 Mil in 4 years thereafter. Freeman makes about 600k/year do the math smart guy.

Never said it did. My point was simply that not a single DC under BK here at ND has parlayed their (mostly successful) experience into a successful HC position. Not suggesting that's ND's or BK's fault. On the contrary, I believe the DCs made some terrible professional decisions.

Lea getting his dream job is a massive success to him. So you can’t view that as anything other than extremely positive. This is the job HE wanted. He doesn’t care what you think.

That's great! I'm glad he's happy. Hopefully he remembers that when he's unemployed in 5 years and looking for an analyst position at a P5 school. That's what happens when you make decisions with your heart instead of your head.

3 of the 4 got exactly what they wanted from their tenures at ND and promotions thereafter. It’s up to them to take it from there.

See above -- terrible professional decisions, (oddly enough) other than Elko.

 

[Rogue219]

That's great! I'm glad he's happy. Hopefully he remembers that when he's unemployed in 5 years and looking for an analyst position at a P5 school. That's what happens when you make decisions with your heart instead of your head.

Terry Bowden just got another HC job and he turns 65 in February, so for you to suggest Clark Lea is going to be umemployed in five years is either hyperbole or you've been AM drinking.

Otherwise, I agree with what you're saying about how Diaco's career trajectory completely fell off. Much of that had to do with the UConn and Nebraska choices. Be that as it may, he's a millionaire now and can probably keep picking up gigs in the profession, which is how they operate.

Most of these dudes are Alphas who don't think they're going to fail. They see a pile of eleophant shit as an opportunity to turn it to vanilla ice cream. Most of us on message boards would look at UConn or Vanderbilt and say, "no thanks." That's why we are here and these guys are there, though. The profession is for those of a completely different mindset. I could never move around like these coaches do. I don't think most people live like that or would want to, honestly, even for the money.

 

[Irish#1]

Mentioned this in another thread. I really hope BK doesn't just blindly ignore this until post CFP.

It doesn't take too long to put out some feelers and get those guys on the phone if necessary for a quick conversation.

Kelly's a smart guy. He knew last year if Lea's D's continued to perform like last year that he would be a hot commodity. He already had his list of guys and probably put some fellers out a while ago.

 

[ResLife Hero]

So, anyone think Brown to ND would be a nice match?

 

[SoIll]

So, anyone think Brown to ND would be a nice match?

no

 

[Rogue219]

So, anyone think Brown to ND would be a nice match?

For analyst or a position coach. He's a good recruiter, too. Schematically, I'd take a pass. You're buying low here.

 

[Luckylucci]

Never said it did. My point was simply that not a single DC under BK here at ND has parlayed their (mostly successful) experience into a successful HC position. Not suggesting that's ND's or BK's fault. On the contrary, I believe the DCs made some terrible professional decisions.



That's great! I'm glad he's happy. Hopefully he remembers that when he's unemployed in 5 years and looking for an analyst position at a P5 school. That's what happens when you make decisions with your heart instead of your head.



See above -- terrible professional decisions, (oddly enough) other than Elko.

This is Koon level stuff this morning. You literally posted about the failures of ND DC's, at their next jobs, and that because of knowing this, you wouldn't take the job at ND over staying at Cincy.

So, either yes you are to the bolded. Or...

You are explaining that ND DC's, are predisposed to taking really bad gigs after their tenures here. By way of universe control? In which case, Freeman would have no control over himself but to take a gig and fail as a HC, after leaving ND.

So, which is it?

 

[NDdomer2]

Never said it did. My point was simply that not a single DC under BK here at ND has parlayed their (mostly successful) experience into a successful HC position. Not suggesting that's ND's or BK's fault. On the contrary, I believe the DCs made some terrible professional decisions.



That's great! I'm glad he's happy. Hopefully he remembers that when he's unemployed in 5 years and looking for an analyst position at a P5 school. That's what happens when you make decisions with your heart instead of your head.



See above -- terrible professional decisions, (oddly enough) other than Elko.

wouldnt this somewhat indicate that BK maximized their coaching talents and provided them with an opportunity to get jobs they would have not got otherwise?

Perhaps Freeman is in a position he doesnt need that kind of assistance but I would much rather go be the DC somewhere that I know will give me opportunity to make it big even if I flame out because I dont have the chops than wait it out and see what happens.

 

[Armyirish47]

I swear you guys rip on Vandy 13 or 14 more times and I'm outta here.

 

[BeauBenken]

I swear you guys rip on Vandy 13 or 14 more times and I'm outta here.

Great reference.

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[dublinirish]

Should ND interview Derek Mason?

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Should ND interview Derek Mason?

I dont think he cares for BK. Didint he call out Kelly after the Vandy game?

 

[arrowryan]

Promote Terry Joseph and keep the ball rolling.

 

[ThePiombino]

This is Koon level stuff this morning. You literally posted about the failures of ND DC's, at their next jobs, and that because of knowing this, you wouldn't take the job at ND over staying at Cincy.

So, either yes you are to the bolded. Or...

You are explaining that ND DC's, are predisposed to taking really bad gigs after their tenures here. By way of universe control? In which case, Freeman would have no control over himself but to take a gig and fail as a HC, after leaving ND.

So, which is it?

It was a joke that Freeman should stay at Cinci where he appears to be a shoe-in to succeed Fickel as HC rather than come to ND and be the next DC to make a terrible professional decision after the fact. Sorry that my posts don't fit into your personal narratives.

I think the Notre Dame defensive coordinator position is as attractive now as it has been in probably close to 25 years. This was simply light-hearted commentary on the track records of our last four defensive coordinators and their subsequent decisions. Take a f****** pill.

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[ThePiombino]

wouldnt this somewhat indicate that BK maximized their coaching talents and provided them with an opportunity to get jobs they would have not got otherwise?



Perhaps Freeman is in a position he doesnt need that kind of assistance but I would much rather go be the DC somewhere that I know will give me opportunity to make it big even if I flame out because I dont have the chops than wait it out and see what happens.

BK possibly did exactly that. My post isn't an indictment on Brian Kelly or Notre Dame. It was a light-hearted attempt to poke fun at the professional decisions of said coordinators after the fact. I think the Notre Dame defensive coordinator position is definitely a destination job at this point, only problem is we're not looking to break up the band so our options are very limited.

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[ulukinatme]

I swear you guys rip on Vandy 13 or 14 more times and I'm outta here.

Great reference.

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Dian is hilarious in their other film "Orgasmo" too.

 

[Irishize]

Diaco's star has fallen. From Boyle's winner to unemployed. Stop.

Elko used us as leverage for a bigger pay day and oddly enough may be considered the most successful of the bunch, barring Lea's performance. But let's be honest, it's a hell of a project Lea has taken on. Wish him the best, but Vandy is not exactly the cradle of future successful P5 head coaches.

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I get your point but how is ND responsible for the (seemingly) bad choices that Diaco, Elko & Lea made under their own free will? ND didn’t run any of these guys out of town...just the opposite.

Diaco wanted to be a HC and evidently wasn’t willing to wait for a better opportunity.

Elko wanted to get paid. When he called ND’s bluff multiple times, Swarbrick had had enough and wished him well in College Station.

Lea as everyone has mentioned just took his dream job. Him putting together even one winning season is still more likely than ND making a close game w/ Bama on Jan 1. Plus, he’s going in w/ eyes wide open and saying “Damn the torpedoes”. Again...free will.

 

[Irishize]

I dont think he cares for BK. Didint he call out Kelly after the Vandy game?

Yes. He basically challenged BK to come to Nashville to fight him.