College Basketball - FBI investigation

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I love how the internal search started AFTER the investigation started. So you're telling me it took you about a day to figure out WTF was going on inside your program?

Do you realize that probably every university in America had meetings to discuss their programs after the news broke Tuesday? And those that didn't are probably still in denial that something like that couldn't happen at their school. And we should not be naïve to believe that every college coach at any mid level program and higher in America didn't know stuff like this was going on. They all knew the game. All of them. From Cal to Coach K, from Jimmy B to Mike Brey, to Slick Rick and on and on.

CBB has been dirty for years. It's time to clean it up and leave the casualties on the side of the road. Start by doing away with the One and Done culture. Then move from there.
 

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I imagine it wasn’t much of an investigation.

“Are you Member 1?”

“Yes. Yes I’m Member 1”

Investigation over.
 

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So does ND need to be concerned? After years of recruiting apathy we are suddenly making waves. Did Brey decide to run with the big boys or can our success be fully credited to results on the court and joining the 21st century with our basketball facilities?

Hilarious to me that Bama basketball is going to be the one shining sunlight on their athletics department - guaranteed collateral damages to football, no? Looking at Bama's last few basketball classes make no sense outside of the context of this FBI investigation.
 

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STLDomer

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Nike got issued a subpoena.

I hope it comes out Lavar Ball ratted on all of them to open the market for BBB. That would be a hilarious ending.
 

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I thought this one was funny.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sean Miller, you may need a fresh shirt after reading today's news... <a href="https://t.co/dszsmJu4tn">pic.twitter.com/dszsmJu4tn</a></p>— Joel Davidson (@JoelDScout) <a href="https://twitter.com/JoelDScout/status/912694936247476224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Poor Louisville.

They thought they were at rock bottom. Nope. Rock bottom is just ahead if they hire Tom Crean.

Funny thing is, Louisville's top assistant (ie recruiting guru) is Kenny Johnson who left Crean for UL. Before getting a job at IU, he was a director for AAU heavyweight Team Takeover in MD/DC... That's how Takeover players like Victor Olidipo, Stanford Robinson and Maurice Creek ended up in Bloomington.

Probably nothing improper every happened in that chain of events. lol
 

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The more I read about Arizona, I think they may have been the dirtiest of all the programs.

Jahvon Quinerly (current commit) is assumed to be one of the kids listed in the report

Nassir Little (Uncommitted) is the kid that was mentioned in the report that Miami was trying to come up with enough dollars to keep him from signing with Arizona who had a 6 figure offer already. It had become a forgone conclusion from many experts that he was planning on signing with Arizona. Crap hits the fan this week and Nassir tweets that he has decided to re-open his recruitment (only to delete it later ... strange). Only problem is that he had never verbally committed anyhwere. Wonder where he was going to commit to??

Kobi Simmons - 2016 Recruit. Committed to Arizona even though they weren't originally in his top 3 (only added Arizona when UNLV fired their coach just a week before he was going to announce his commitment) and he never visited the campus. On top of that pOSU announced that they were no longer recruiting Simmons just two days before his commitment, even though they had been the assumed leader. Gee, wonder what happened that Matta stopped recruiting a top 30 talent.

The assistant coach for Arizona that was mentioned in the FBI report had been an assistant with Miller for 11 years. Don't even try to tell me that he had no clue what was going on.
 
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Kobi preferred multiple schools to Arizona. Barely even played there. An example of a kid getting dragged along by others pulling the strings.
 

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Man I wish the would roll up their sleeves and get after college football like this-problem is they would be too spread out in little gifts small $$$ amounts and overall individual involvement thru these so called 'boosters' who have the guy over for dinner and he leaves with some dough after visiting said family he's friends with. The football side of things has this down to a science and couple that with entrance requirements that are not the same across the board and you have the formula for a winning program.
 

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at least football is not one and done.

I truly can't see one sensible argument for a one and done system.
 

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at least football is not one and done.

I truly can't see one sensible argument for a one and done system.

The problem is, the college system doesn't dictate how long these guys stay in school, the pros do. Literally nothing the NCAA can do. It's not like you can/should make people go to college if they don't want to.
 

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The problem is, the college system doesn't dictate how long these guys stay in school, the pros do. Literally nothing the NCAA can do. It's not like you can/should make people go to college if they don't want to.

very true.....

But MLB and the NHL both have development leagues for kids that don't want to go to college.

Hopefully this event will stop the need for one and done and kids can go playing in the NBA development league right out of High School, which will allow for them to get legally paid and leave the NCAA to the student athletes who want the chance at both an NBA career and a degree.
 

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The more I read about Arizona, I think they may have been the dirtiest of all the programs.

Jahvon Quinerly (current commit) is assumed to be one of the kids listed in the report

Nassir Little (Uncommitted) is the kid that was mentioned in the report that Miami was trying to come up with enough dollars to keep him from signing with Arizona who had a 6 figure offer already. It had become a forgone conclusion from many experts that he was planning on signing with Arizona. Crap hits the fan this week and Nassir tweets that he has decided to re-open his recruitment (only to delete it later ... strange). Only problem is that he had never verbally committed anyhwere. Wonder where he was going to commit to??

Kobi Simmons - 2016 Recruit. Committed to Arizona even though they weren't originally in his top 3 (only added Arizona when UNLV fired their coach just a week before he was going to announce his commitment) and he never visited the campus. On top of that pOSU announced that they were no longer recruiting Simmons just two days before his commitment, even though they had been the assumed leader. Gee, wonder what happened that Matta stopped recruiting a top 30 talent.

The assistant coach for Arizona that was mentioned in the FBI report had been an assistant with Miller for 11 years. Don't even try to tell me that he had no clue what was going on.

Yes, I think when all is said and done, Arizona will be among the worst offenders of this. And it's really pretty funny, if you ask me. All this cheating, top 5 classes with OAD's every single year, and he can't even get past the Elite 8. LOL at Sean Miller.
 
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Yes, I think when all is said and done, Arizona will be among the worst offenders of this. And it's really pretty funny, if you ask me. All this cheating, top 5 classes with OAD's every single year, and he can't even get past the Elite 8. LOL at Sean Miller.

If anyone ever opens up, that will be WHY they cheated. Look who has been caught so far. Lousiville the only very successful program so far. OK State, USC, Alabama? All bad basketball programs BUT have resources to become good. Tried to take shortcut. Arizona desperate to break through to the elite. Not saying the UK and Duke’s are 100% clean, but I’d guess the big money comes from the more desperate programs. Calipari: “You’re the #11 recruit and want $100,000? Keep moving I’ll get the #12 recruit in the class instead.”

Or maybe they are just better at hiding the cheating lol.
 

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Yes, yes yes, 10000 times yes.

And that is where the profits go to. Some of the money is funnelled into all the other unprofitable sports programs and the remaining $$ going into the general operating revenue for the university.

Saban is a cash cow for the University....not the boosters. It is NOT shady money going into general revenue....it is as clean as it gets. Same with all the other major college football programs.

In 2016 Alabama Football earned the University $47 million in profits. That money goes directly into general operations.

But the FBI investigation was not about general revenue's...and I am completely onside with ending this shady stuff.

The fact that an organization like Alabama Athletics can make that much of a profit is the problem. It drives a HUGE gap between those select 25 schools that turn a "profit" versus the rest of the FBS schools. This imbalance ends up taking resources AWAY from academics across the country.

For example, the Northeast Ohio Media Group reported that the state's six Mid-American Conference schools student athletic fee is up 24 percent in five years, almost double the increase in the cost of tuition, books, room and board at the same schools. At each school, more is spent on coaching and staff salaries than on athletic scholarships.

At the six Ohio MAC schools, pay and benefits for men's basketball coaches increased 58 percent over the last 5 years to an average of $502,000 a year, and football coaches 34 percent to an average of $560,000. The MAC isn't alone. Between 2005-2006 and 2011-2012 Division I basketball coaches’ median pay more than doubled, even after inflation is taken into account and football coaches’ earnings rose 93 percent.

According to the Knight Commission, schools outside the P5 spend, on average, 3X to 4X more on individual athletes (includes coaching salaries) than regular students. This is coming straight out of the university coffers. By the way, the trends suggest the disparity is growing. From 2005 to 2015, spending on general students increased 40% while university "general funds" spending on athletes rose 141%...roughly 3.5X the rate. Same schools, but looking at 2012 to 2015, spending on general students is up 9% while university "general funds" spending on athletes rose 35%, about 3.9X increase.

It's a simple domino effect. Those schools that generate "profit" can "afford and justify" salary increases, but when they do so, it creates a demanding culture. Can't win? No problem, we will go hire the next great coach. To combat that, schools that are not generating a profit, try to create a compensation package that is "market friendly" and looks to students to foot the bill. It's the complete opposite of the mission of higher learning.
 

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If anyone ever opens up, that will be WHY they cheated. Look who has been caught so far. Lousiville the only very successful program so far. OK State, USC, Alabama? All bad basketball programs BUT have resources to become good. Tried to take shortcut. Arizona desperate to break through to the elite. Not saying the UK and Duke’s are 100% clean, but I’d guess the big money comes from the more desperate programs. Calipari: “You’re the #11 recruit and want $100,000? Keep moving I’ll get the #12 recruit in the class instead.”

Or maybe they are just better at hiding the cheating lol.

This. I don't care who you are, landing the best of the best every year is darn near impossible unless there's some incentive.
 

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The fact that an organization like Alabama Athletics can make that much of a profit is the problem. It drives a HUGE gap between those select 25 schools that turn a "profit" versus the rest of the FBS schools. This imbalance ends up taking resources AWAY from academics across the country.

For example, the Northeast Ohio Media Group reported that the state's six Mid-American Conference schools student athletic fee is up 24 percent in five years, almost double the increase in the cost of tuition, books, room and board at the same schools. At each school, more is spent on coaching and staff salaries than on athletic scholarships.

At the six Ohio MAC schools, pay and benefits for men's basketball coaches increased 58 percent over the last 5 years to an average of $502,000 a year, and football coaches 34 percent to an average of $560,000. The MAC isn't alone. Between 2005-2006 and 2011-2012 Division I basketball coaches’ median pay more than doubled, even after inflation is taken into account and football coaches’ earnings rose 93 percent.

According to the Knight Commission, schools outside the P5 spend, on average, 3X to 4X more on individual athletes (includes coaching salaries) than regular students. This is coming straight out of the university coffers. By the way, the trends suggest the disparity is growing. From 2005 to 2015, spending on general students increased 40% while university "general funds" spending on athletes rose 141%...roughly 3.5X the rate. Same schools, but looking at 2012 to 2015, spending on general students is up 9% while university "general funds" spending on athletes rose 35%, about 3.9X increase.

It's a simple domino effect. Those schools that generate "profit" can "afford and justify" salary increases, but when they do so, it creates a demanding culture. Can't win? No problem, we will go hire the next great coach. To combat that, schools that are not generating a profit, try to create a compensation package that is "market friendly" and looks to students to foot the bill. It's the complete opposite of the mission of higher learning.

This post is starting down the road which ends at Intramural Athletics only. But zero contact sports only, no championships and everyone gets a special ribbon.
 

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This post is starting down the road which ends at Intramural Athletics only. But zero contact sports only, no championships and everyone gets a special ribbon.

I don't think so, but i think something like a budget cap, similar to a salary cap, would go a long way to reversing this trend.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oklahoma State University announced assistant basketball coach Lamont Evans has been terminated for cause.</p>— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanESPN) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/913505231975194624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Poor Louisville.

They thought they were at rock bottom. Nope. Rock bottom is just ahead if they hire Tom Crean.

Funny thing is, Louisville's top assistant (ie recruiting guru) is Kenny Johnson who left Crean for UL. Before getting a job at IU, he was a director for AAU heavyweight Team Takeover in MD/DC... That's how Takeover players like Victor Olidipo, Stanford Robinson and Maurice Creek ended up in Bloomington.

Probably nothing improper every happened in that chain of events. lol

You think these three were the ones IU was cheating for? Maurice wasnt even ranked nationally, Vic was a 3 star late bloomer who had mostly mid majors recruiting him, and Stan Robinson was the highest rated of the three but wasnt even in the top 2 of Indiana committs that year.

While, I'm not saying nothing fishy was going on, they weren't backing the adidias truck up for these 3 either.
 

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Bruce Pearl met with the press today and evidently had a lot to say.

Let me summarize Pearls statements from the summarized article.

I agree with the previous statement issued by the university.
Practice starts today.
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https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/recap-auburn-bruce-pearl-addresses-media-for-first-time-since-chuck-persons-arrest

Here’s what coach Bruce Pearl said:

“Let me just say up front my only comments on this matter are twofold.”
Pearl goes on to say that he agrees with the statement issued by the university and that the alleged conduct is unacceptable.
Pearl says this team “has a chance to compete for the tournament,” and it’s “time to start basketball practice.”
On day-to-day operations: “Again, our focus is the players. Our focus is practice and practice plans.” Drop-back defense, rebounding, transition are areas the team has struggled with the most. Pearl has spent a lot of time there himself recently and will be heavily involved in Person’s absence.
On whether or not he will hire an assistant coach: “I’m probably not going to make any more comments on that at this time.”
All players will practice today.
“Practice starts today and our kids are excited about it. We’re good to go.”
On two players involved in the complaint: “I can’t and I won’t have any further comment.”
On his job security: “Again, I can’t and I won’t have any further comments.”
“I stand by the university statement and the conduct alleged is unacceptable.”
Auburn is in discussions about promoting someone to the assistant coach.
“I feel really confident in our players… we’re healthy. We’re going into the season completely healthy.”
“I feel as confident going into the season as any season I ever have,” says Pearl.
On whether someone from the university advised him on how to respond: “…I don’t have anymore comments.”
Pearl says he has no further comments on whether or not he’s spoken to Austin Wiley’s mother Vicki Orr or Danjel Purifoy’s mother (both are two players who are thought to be involved in the complaint).
On the violation of trust: “We try to maintain good communication with our families and recruits…”
Pearl ends the press conference saying he will answer questions regarding the start of basketball practice and will refrain from commenting on the allegations involving Chuck Person and players implicated in the complaint from the federal government.
 

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OMG Bruce Pearl is back in college basketball? I had no idea, shame on me. It figures he landed at a place like Auburn and he's now in a sh!tstorm.
 

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Pearl at Auburn

Pearl at Auburn

Literally casting swine before Pearl.
 
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