College Basketball - FBI investigation

[ab2cmiller]

Interesting that 2 of these Assistant Coaches were actually Associate Head Coaches (USC and Oklahoma State)

The assistant coach for Arizona that got arrested has been on Miller's staff for the past 11 years (Xavier and Arizona). Makes you wonder how long this has been going on.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Does the ACC kick Louisville out of the conference?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Agreed. I guess my issue with the NCAA here is little to with the FBI it is, they had to know what was going on with Adidas, the bribery etc. at least to some extent. At best they were clueless (still doesn’t look great), more likely to me they ignored it, at worst some were a part of it.

They only know what someone tells them. They don't run periodic audits of anyone's bank accounts.

 

[STLDomer]

They only know what someone tells them. They don't run periodic audits of anyone's bank accounts.

True. Do compliance officers at schools who I suppose are the ones that would have to catch the red flags have any greater allegiance to the NCAA or just the school?

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

True. Do compliance officers at schools who I suppose are the ones that would have to catch the red flags have any allegiance to the NCAA or just the school?

Schools employ their own compliance officers who report to the school. There are duties to the NCAA to demonstrate compliance (like the affidavit that buried Tressel) but it's not like they are NCAA employees.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

The NCAA is a joke, but I think you're wrong here. The Feds aren't going to share this with anyone outside of their organization, because it would certainly get leaked before anything happened. As I mentioned above, the NCAA can use the results of this to hand down punishment. The key here is will they do it and how hard?

I'm pretty sure they said at the press conference that the NCAA was not aware of the probe, but that they will now fully cooperate with them. Obviously they're not going to give them anything that is being currently used, but once they get done with each case or people plea out, they'll probably give the NCAA whatever they need. My only worry in this is that the NCAA won't do anything rationalizing that the perpetrators were already punished.

 

[T Town Tommy]

A lot of speculation that Pitino will be fired as early as tonight. As much as I don't like the Dirty Birds, I do feel for their fans. Louisville is a basketball town and that appears to be in some serious jeopardy tonight.

 

[STLDomer]

His statement just released is a load of crap.

 

[T Town Tommy]

His statement just released is a load of crap.

No way Pitino survives. And the AD will go down with him. They have one of his assistants on tape discussing the payment for the 2019 recruit. Sad to see a great career end with hookers, paying players, and 15 seconds of fun at a Louisville restaurant. Is the Death Penalty about to be revived?

 

[Henges24]

A lot of speculation that Pitino will be fired as early as tonight. As much as I don't like the Dirty Birds, I do feel for their fans. Louisville is a basketball town and that appears to be in some serious jeopardy tonight.

Every times there's a NCAA basketball scandal - Pitino always seems to be right in the middle of it.

 

[BobbyMac]

Well hopefully IU will be able to snag Romeo Langford now.

 

[BobbyMac]

Sad day for Crusader. I got my first offer from Pitino (technically his assistant) and my best friend in HS played and later worked for him.

But this is already over. Wonder if Jurich survives? Is it possible? He's one of the best.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It is very telling that Pitino released his statement through his personal lawyer, not the university. They are not working together on this</p>— Seth Davis (@SethDavisHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/912815502740791298">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[zelezo vlk]

Sad day for Crusader. I got my first offer from Pitino (technically his assistant) and my best friend in HS played and later worked for him.

But this is already over. Wonder if Jurich survives? Is it possible? He's one of the best.

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[BobbyMac]

BU?

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Well it wasn't PC or UK, lol. Told you I'm old. summer before my junior year. His assistant was my coach at Five Star. My buddy played for him at PC when they went to the Final Four.

 

[irishog77]

A lot of speculation that Pitino will be fired as early as tonight. As much as I don't like the Dirty Birds, I do feel for their fans. Louisville is a basketball town and that appears to be in some serious jeopardy tonight.

I don't. I have family members that are huge fans of louisville. But fuck their fans. They willingly go along with (nor have any qualms) their chosen school to cheer for employing 2 of the biggest sacks of shit out there. petrino and pitino are both loser human beings that in no way should be molding young men. But the fans are cool with it, cuz ya know, Heisman and Final Fours are what really matters.

 

[tko]

Well it wasn't PC or UK, lol. Told you I'm old. summer before my junior year. His assistant was my coach at Five Star. My buddy played for him at PC when they went to the Final Four.

You are a fucking legend man.

 

[STLDomer]

For easier reference to some of the events

 

[Old Man Mike]

I won't try to guess which sport is "worse" on this sort of thing, but anyone who thinks that in-the-living-room family cash deposits don't happen in football is a bit naive. As I mentioned a few years ago on IE (now buried under hundreds of posts) I sat in a college coach's office and listened to him describe a notoriously successful recruiter nicknamed "Black Jesus." As that coach phrased it, "He'll show up in the kid's home with a Bible in one hand and a sack of money in the other."

 

[Luckylucci]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: Basketball agency ASM Sports was raided today. FBI had warrant, took Andy Miller's computer.</p>— Darren Heitner (@DarrenHeitner) <a href="https://twitter.com/DarrenHeitner/status/912799900483637248">September 26, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So this is what could get really crazy tomorrow. A lot of rumors swirling about players like DeAndre Ayton, who signed with Arizona.

 

[calvegas04]

give usc the death penalty? I think they should

 

[Henges24]

give usc the death penalty? I think they should

It wouldn't be the first time they've been in trouble. Didn't they pay OJ Mayo some years ago?

 

[T Town Tommy]

I don't. I have family members that are huge fans of louisville. But fuck their fans. They willingly go along with (nor have any qualms) their chosen school to cheer for employing 2 of the biggest sacks of shit out there. petrino and pitino are both loser human beings that in no way should be molding young men. But the fans are cool with it, cuz ya know, Heisman and Final Fours are what really matters.

Maybe the ones who are the die hard, over the top fans. I don't feel for them either. But the casual fan that really doesn't pay much attention to anything other than cheering for their team because that's just what they do... I do feel for them.

As far as Petrino and Pitino... I would somewhat agree. I do believe in restoration and Petrino seems to have learned from his misgivings and appears thankful for his opportunities today. Is it genuine? I have no idea but I am at least willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Slick Rick is still in denial about his and should be let go. He only offers excuses and has never taken an ounce of responsibility for his time in the Ville.

 

[NDohio]

It wouldn't be the first time they've been in trouble. Didn't they pay OJ Mayo some years ago?

Yes, they did get in trouble for OJ.

As an aside, I used to call on OJ's AAU coach and he made a ton of money off that young man.

 

[irishff1014]

I am glad to see some universities get busted. I know though for everyone that gets busted 2 or 3 get a away clean.

 

[Irish#1]

This is just going to get bigger and bigger as the FBI continues to investigate. Some recruits are going to tell what other schools offered. The FBI will then open Microsoft Excel, add names and schools, sort by locations, then send some agents in that area out to collect more intel and then invite those souls to the party.

 

[NDohio]

I am glad to see some universities get busted. I know though for everyone that gets busted 2 or 3 get a away clean.

In the end, I hope you're right, but universities won't get busted unless the NCAA wants them to get busted. The FBI is only going to get individuals that broke the law.

 

[connor_in]

This is just going to get bigger and bigger as the FBI continues to investigate. Some recruits are going to tell what other schools offered. The FBI will then open Microsoft Excel, add names and schools, sort by locations, then send some agents in that area out to collect more intel and then invite those souls to the party.

 

[NDdomer2]

funny that they chose basketball to go after and not football.

 

[STLDomer]

I think it’s bad but not as widespread as some think. I saw a good tweet yesterday, if you’re a big CBB fan and when you saw the news, that feeling in your gut should tell you everything you need to know about the program you support. The UKs are in panic mode right now. They know the hammer will drop eventually. But plenty of coaches and fans slept happy last night.

 

[IrishLion]

funny that they chose basketball to go after and not football.

That's because football likely doesn't leave a paper trail directly from businesses, meaning there are no taxation/fraud issues.

In football, you get handed cash or other goods from individuals as a "gift." It's against NCAA rules, but it's not against the law.

This will change if Nike/Adidas/UnderArmour start trying to out-bid one another to set up future business deals with 5-star recruits... but football recruiting is too big and too risky for those things to pay off.

The few times people actually DO leave paper trails from legit businesses in regards to football prospects, the NCAA starts sniffing around.